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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:06 PM Apr 2018

Former Joint Chiefs chairman worries about generals in Trump's White House

Source: CNN




By Kate Sullivan

Updated 1:52 PM ET, Sun April 8, 2018

(CNN) - Retired Adm. Mike Mullen, a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, said Sunday on CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS" that he has been "extremely concerned" about military officials like retired Gen. John Kelly acting in political roles in President Donald Trump's administration.

Mullen said he worries that having military officials, "without being a politician, without running for office," acting politically could undermine the military as an apolitical institution.

Specifically, he said, he worries a "great deal" about Kelly "indirectly undermining us as a military" because of his role as White House chief of staff, a highly political job.

While many people have told him they have felt comfortable having Secretary of Defense James Mattis, Kelly, and former White House national security adviser H.R. McMaster in Trump's administration, all of whom have been generals, "I don't share that comfort," Mullen said.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/08/politics/mullen-john-kelly-zakaria-gps-cnntv/index.html

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Former Joint Chiefs chairman worries about generals in Trump's White House (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2018 OP
Not to forget Admiral Rogers reward for the "not obese" categorization of the Mango Monstrosity. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #1
rogers? do you mean ronny jackson? niyad Apr 2018 #16
Yes, I note that Jackson also received a promotion after rubber stamping tRump. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #17
Mullen must be behind the times. Baitball Blogger Apr 2018 #2
Didn't for me. Cold War Spook Apr 2018 #7
My friends smoked pot and drank excessively in the sixties and seventies. Baitball Blogger Apr 2018 #12
Hard right probably because they've been doused with right-wing radio for years and years. Doitnow Apr 2018 #14
So would the current US military blindly follow a deranged Commander in Chief? erronis Apr 2018 #3
Many cheered when trump appointed generals, I freaked. Coops are usually led by the notdarkyet Apr 2018 #4
DJT Sr says declare war... then steal their natural resources magicarpet Apr 2018 #10
Coup not coop. rickford66 Apr 2018 #11
Thanks. I knew it was wrong. No sleep last night. Brain fog. notdarkyet Apr 2018 #13
I listened to the story about Lula in Brazil the other day pecosbob Apr 2018 #5
Might help if right wing radio(propaganda) was kept off bases. Enoki33 Apr 2018 #6
Very perilous because tRdump lacks the compulsion... magicarpet Apr 2018 #8
What Jared calls diplomacy are really just sales calls for gov't secrets. keithbvadu2 Apr 2018 #9
That, combined with mass mobilization of troops Wednesdays Apr 2018 #15

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
17. Yes, I note that Jackson also received a promotion after rubber stamping tRump.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:32 PM
Apr 2018

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronny_Jackson

He was nominated to the rank of rear admiral (upper half) on March 23, 2018.


CNN, Dan Merica,. "The President's doctor is getting promoted". CNN. Retrieved March 23, 2018.

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
2. Mullen must be behind the times.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:28 PM
Apr 2018

"Mullen said he worries that having military officials, "without being a politician, without running for office," acting politically could undermine the military as an apolitical institution. "

The military as an apolitical institution? What has he been smoking? I grew up on a military base and the majority of the kids who grew up alongside of me are hard right, conservative. The very kind that make great targets for the Russian bots.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
7. Didn't for me.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:51 PM
Apr 2018

I was in the army, may 1963 to may 1967 and every place I was stationed, different posts in Europe, most of us spent most of our spare time smoking hash or pot. That must be the reason I did not get a good conduct medal. Either that or it was the East German and Russian girls.

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
12. My friends smoked pot and drank excessively in the sixties and seventies.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:00 PM
Apr 2018

Now they just drink excessively. Hard core right-wingers.

erronis

(15,299 posts)
3. So would the current US military blindly follow a deranged Commander in Chief?
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:46 PM
Apr 2018

Having worked alongside many mid-level personnel and including the support to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I can't imagine any of them not acting in their understanding of their duties. I have been so impressed by the professionalism and true commitment to the Constitution and rule-of-law of these people that it would be amazing to have them kow-tow to a megalomaniac.

Unless this administration has seriously undermined the current military structure I find it highly unlikely that a misguided missile from his tweety hands will launch anything.

However, just like Ashcroft worked to insinuate his little minions into the DoJ and Dump is working to rot government from the inside, I wouldn't guarantee that anything is pure anymore.

As we all know, more unsettling are the seething well-armed MAWA non-regulated militia. The brown-shirts from almost 100 years ago.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
4. Many cheered when trump appointed generals, I freaked. Coops are usually led by the
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:11 PM
Apr 2018

Military. I’m hoping, watching trumps awkward and mean attitude towards the military, that he is alienating them in droves, and they will not follow dangerous and illegal commands by him. Like killing the families of the terrorist suspects we use drones to drop bombs on. Trump thinks we should kill their families too.

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
10. DJT Sr says declare war... then steal their natural resources
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:09 PM
Apr 2018

.... drag his ass to the International Courts of Criminal Conduct.

The USA is a signatory - does he intend to rescind that with a Presi-dunce-ial Order and become the International Oligarch of the World's Petroleum Resources ?

(by plundering and vanquishing his new list of natural resource rich enemies.)

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)
5. I listened to the story about Lula in Brazil the other day
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:35 PM
Apr 2018

and had images of Trump surrogates on TV telling the audience why Trump shouldn't submit to an arrest warrant.

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
8. Very perilous because tRdump lacks the compulsion...
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:54 PM
Apr 2018

.... to recognize or follow well established protocols or possess the curiosity to understand the historic imperatives of the subject matter.. tRdump has the propensity to do things his own way and for himself - lacking the understanding that what he does and people who he sends to act on his behalf are there to act on behalf of America and not on behalf of Donald tRdump.

Case in point:

* tRdump meeting with Russians privately and alone with no USA representative in the room also - to witness, to record (take notes), or an interpreter to understand any side chatter.

* tRdump's numerous private meetings with Putin are more outlandish and dangerous. With advance notice coming from Russian media while American media is kept in the blind. Both before and after the fact notice of these meetings comes first through Russian media getting exclusive notice.

* Dispatching Jared to China, Mexico, Israel, the Middle East, or anywhere else with no diplomatic briefing before, stenographer to take notes, or interpreter in the room, or debriefing after. Jared has zero diplomatic bonafides, lacks the proper security clearances, has a high degree of being susceptible to blackmail and/or extortion yet continues to be sent out to conduct America's business while being woefully unqualified. Ivanka is another person dispatched by tRdump to Mexico and before that South Korea. Yet there is no South Korean ambassador yet appointed. Delicate high level meeting are on the drawing board to discuss hotly contested Nuclear disarmament issues. And a novice such as Ivanka is bouncing around playing international diplomatic czar of ladies shoes, fashions, perfumes, and atomic weapons.


* tRdump makes the off the cuff and spastic statement he will place the military at the Mexican border to stop illegal immigrants because he heard the wonderful idea on Fox Nuz. He had no prior consultation with the military corps and went alone to the media to announce his new plan. The Posse Comitatus Act stipulate fines and jail time for any such domestic use of the military as a police force.


As stipulated in the Constitution the lines between church and state should remain clear and distinct. But tRdump has a propensity to allow those lines to go blurry and fuzzy. Even welcoming that.

Again as stipulated in the Constitution the line between the government and a free press should remain clear and distinct. Again tRdump commonly says and tweets comments in direct conflict with standard definitions of what constitutes a free press and he willfully and often violates that concept.

Now with the military there is a well established concept that civilian authorities hold command and final say over the military with the president appointed Commander in Chief. The intent here is to make the military subservient to the civilian authorities - a clear line no ifs, ands, or buts. This is to ward off any flexing of military might with the inherent threats such as a military junta or coup de' tat military over throw of or over take of government. If too many high ranking military officers are introduced into an executive administration it has a tendency to meld the military branch into the executive branch and blur that clear line and make the distinction fuzzy. The civilian branch must never be equal to or remotely subservient to the military - that is a dangerous line to cross or make indistinct. The civilian must retain the final say in all governmental actions and the military at all times follows those orders and decisions of what specifically is the final path to take in the dispatch of any military action either in peace or in war.

tRdump maybe too stupid to recognize or appreciate the dynamics and distinctions of these matters and inadvertently land us in very hot water.

This is why an idiot president and very flawed man belongs no where near the people's White House and within the control of the various levers of power at his finger tips.

keithbvadu2

(36,823 posts)
9. What Jared calls diplomacy are really just sales calls for gov't secrets.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:04 PM
Apr 2018

What Jared calls diplomacy are really just sales calls for gov't secrets.

Those gov't secrets aren't going to sell themselves, you know.

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