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Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 07:27 PM Apr 2018

Sources: Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, confirming part of dossier

Last edited Fri Apr 13, 2018, 07:58 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: McClatchey DC

The Justice Department special counsel has evidence that Donald Trump’s personal lawyer and confidant, Michael Cohen, secretly made a late-summer trip to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Confirmation of the trip would lend credence to a retired British spy’s report that Cohen strategized there with a powerful Kremlin figure about Russian meddling in the U.S. election.

It would also be one of the most significant developments thus far in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of whether the Trump campaign and the Kremlin worked together to help Trump win the White House. Undercutting Trump’s repeated pronouncements that “there is no evidence of collusion,” it also could ratchet up the stakes if the president tries, as he has intimated he might for months, to order Mueller’s firing.

Trump’s threats to fire Mueller or the deputy attorney general overseeing the investigation, Rod Rosenstein, grew louder this week when the FBI raided Cohen’s home, hotel room and office on Monday. The raid was unrelated to the Trump-Russia collusion probe, but instead focused on payments made to women who have said they had sexual relationships with Trump.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article208870264.html



More evidence that the Steele dossier is real and that Devin Nunes is a liar.

Edited to add some links to tweets Cohen (or, as Lindsay calls him, "an idiot&quot made about Prague.





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Sources: Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, confirming part of dossier (Original Post) Julian Englis Apr 2018 OP
If Nunes walks after this is all over, I wont know what to say. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #1
America is in Matthew28 Apr 2018 #7
Big Plus 1 Me. Apr 2018 #2
This "dodgy dossier" is proving to be quite truthful. Mrs. Overall Apr 2018 #3
I wonder if Cohen recorded any of those conversations. :) LiberalFighter Apr 2018 #4
YES!!! I always knew that passport "evidence" was a crock. I don't understand pnwmom Apr 2018 #5
Manafort was known to have multiple passports. Did he teach Cohen this? n/t Julian Englis Apr 2018 #8
Hardball: He supposedly entered thru Germany, which doesn't require a passport for Prague. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #12
This was reported a year ago canetoad Apr 2018 #11
Hardball said he supposedly entered thru Germany, which doesn't require a passport to Prague. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #14
I Can Concur With First Hand Knowledge Ccarmona Apr 2018 #15
Ahhhh...looks like their info (their "confirmation" as they call it) could be correct. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #16
It hasn't been forgotten. It's what Cohen used to DISPROVE the Steele dossier. pnwmom Apr 2018 #25
The Shengen Area - don't need 2 passports Retrograde Apr 2018 #23
So with all his appointment, shredding of government policies, and in between bucolic_frolic Apr 2018 #6
Cohen has denied just about everything about that 2016 trip. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #9
This better be true or there will be egg all over McClatchy. If true... Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #10
If I remember correctly, McClatchy got the Iraq War right, too. calimary Apr 2018 #31
BREAKING NEWS (not). Cohen is a liar. Ccarmona Apr 2018 #13
Yep. Why would he lie about it, unless there was something to hide? nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #17
Mueller leaked on purpose duggie99 Apr 2018 #18
I think it was the NY people More_Cowbell Apr 2018 #29
The reporter is on Chris Hayes right now. BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #19
He tweeted "I have sworn under oath" he has never been in Prague. pecosbob Apr 2018 #20
Lied under oath did he? calimary Apr 2018 #32
Perjury UpInArms Apr 2018 #36
Huge. GOP is complicit in not pursuing. nt wiggs Apr 2018 #21
So Prague was where the collusion didn't happen? bucolic_frolic Apr 2018 #22
I'm with you. What the party leadership has been trying Hortensis Apr 2018 #40
Drip, drip, drip. I mean, tinkle, tinkle, tinkle. joshcryer Apr 2018 #24
The dossier said that Cohen went to Prague to pay hackers More_Cowbell Apr 2018 #26
Hate to rain on the parade, but, didn't Tapper shoot this down a year ago? Tarc Apr 2018 #27
The fact that another Michael Cohen might have been there doesn't mean that Cohen wasn't More_Cowbell Apr 2018 #28
That is a nonsensical response Tarc Apr 2018 #30
Who were those intelligence officers? Were they people on Team Trump? writes3000 Apr 2018 #33
You know Tapper is one of the good journalists, right? Tarc Apr 2018 #35
According to the article Dems in House and Senate are suspicious of Cohen, despite his many denials wishstar Apr 2018 #34
Why the question of whether Michael Cohen visited Prague is massively important for Donald Trump Julian Englis Apr 2018 #37
It will be nice when we get evidence instead of just 'sources' Maeve Apr 2018 #38
Yes, evidence woud be nice. Convictions and impeachment will be better still. Julian Englis Apr 2018 #39

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
5. YES!!! I always knew that passport "evidence" was a crock. I don't understand
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 07:33 PM
Apr 2018

why most of the media fell for it.

Anyone can have more than one passport. And anyone can fly to one country in the EU and drive to another, without getting a new stamp on their passport.

The fact that Cohen produced that passport as evidence -- as if it meant anything -- always seemed very suspicious to me.

canetoad

(17,164 posts)
11. This was reported a year ago
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 07:55 PM
Apr 2018

But seems to have slipped into the memory hole.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycormier/trumps-lawyer-showed-you-the-cover-of-his-passport-heres?utm_term=.vbjpJ0bVZ#.jo14Ko3v

This Is The Inside Of Trump’s Lawyer’s Passport

Michael Cohen gave BuzzFeed News exclusive access to his passport, saying it proves he couldn’t have attended an alleged secret meeting with Russian agents.

/snip
The stamps indicate he traveled abroad at least four times in 2016: twice to London, once to St. Maarten, and once to Italy in July. The Italian trip is the most intriguing, because it places Cohen in what’s known as the Schengen Area: a group of 26 European countries, including the Czech Republic, that allows visitors to travel freely among them without getting any additional passport stamps.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
15. I Can Concur With First Hand Knowledge
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 08:00 PM
Apr 2018

We traveled by train from Dresden to Prague, then to Berlin. Never once were we asked to show our passports or go through Customs.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
25. It hasn't been forgotten. It's what Cohen used to DISPROVE the Steele dossier.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 08:59 PM
Apr 2018

The Italian trip was in July, which wouldn't fit with the August/September deadline. So he shared this with Buzzfeed as evidence that he hadn't been to Prague.

But since Cohen wouldn't have needed a passport stamp to travel to Prague from Germany (in August or September, as the dossier reports), these pages prove nothing.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
23. The Shengen Area - don't need 2 passports
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 08:40 PM
Apr 2018

A large part of Europe is party to a treaty that abolished border and passport controls among themselves - once you're in the area, you can travel freely within it without having your passport checked. I hold a US passport: even though I've visited Denmark, Austria, and Italy I don't have stamps from any of those countries because I entered and left the Shengen Area via Germany or Switzerland. The Czech Republic is part of this area: Cohen could have flown into, say, Paris or Frankfurt, then taken a connecting flight to Prague and his passport would only have shown French or German stamps.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
6. So with all his appointment, shredding of government policies, and in between
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 07:36 PM
Apr 2018

taunts of judges and tweets, Trump has been trying to create sufficient confusion so this would all slip under that radar?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
10. This better be true or there will be egg all over McClatchy. If true...
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 07:54 PM
Apr 2018

whoa....he entered thru Germany, which doesn't require a passport. He met with the Russians. 2016. Whoa. Confirming part of the Steele Dossier.

This keeps getting bigger and bigger.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
13. BREAKING NEWS (not). Cohen is a liar.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 07:56 PM
Apr 2018

From Scott Dworkin “IMPORTANT EVIDENCE: Michael Cohen tweeted out he’d never been to Prague in his life. Later he told the Wall Street Journal he hadn’t been to Prague since 2001. Then he refused to answer further questions on it. And @WSJ never followed up. Dossier says he met w/Russians in Prague.”

duggie99

(40 posts)
18. Mueller leaked on purpose
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 08:06 PM
Apr 2018

My first thought on this NEWS was Mueller leaked this to confirm he has evidence of collusion.

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)
20. He tweeted "I have sworn under oath" he has never been in Prague.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 08:10 PM
Apr 2018

The title says 'Mueller has evidence' he went to Prague. I take these things together to mean that Michael Cohen's going to jail.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. I'm with you. What the party leadership has been trying
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:14 PM
Apr 2018

to hold together is unraveling. Knowledge is power, and leaders have to have knowledge or fall to those who do.

I'm guessing we don't know a fraction of what Ryan's been hoping would hold together of the shady Republican operators and operations entangled in this sleazy-to illegally corrupt-to-traitorous web.

Then there are the more everyday, very pervasive corrupt and immoral behaviors that are being outed more and more. Dark money brought in the kind of people who were happy to sell control of the nation's cookie jars, and dive in themselves.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
26. The dossier said that Cohen went to Prague to pay hackers
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:26 PM
Apr 2018

If that's true, then the Trump campaign didn't just use information that was provided. They paid the hackers. That's much more serious.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
27. Hate to rain on the parade, but, didn't Tapper shoot this down a year ago?
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:40 PM
Apr 2018
REPORT: Intelligence Community Believes It Was a Different Michael Cohen Who Visited Prague

CNN’s Jake Tapper reported Wednesday morning that intelligence officials looked into allegations from an explosive unsubstantiated memo that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen visited Prague in late August to meet with Russian officials, and found that it was a different Michael Cohen who visited the city.


More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
28. The fact that another Michael Cohen might have been there doesn't mean that Cohen wasn't
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:55 PM
Apr 2018

It's just that the mainstream media never followed up on it.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
30. That is a nonsensical response
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:21 PM
Apr 2018

Tapper was reporting what intelligence officials who investigated it said.

The wingnuts are using this "it was already debunked!" line as a talking point, and I'm looking for info to rebut that.

wishstar

(5,269 posts)
34. According to the article Dems in House and Senate are suspicious of Cohen, despite his many denials
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 07:42 AM
Apr 2018

"However, Democratic investigators for the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, which are conducting parallel inquiries into Russia’s election interference, also are skeptical about whether Cohen was truthful about his 2016 travels to Europe when he was interviewed by the panels last October, two people familiar with those probes told McClatchy this week. Cohen has publicly acknowledged making three trips to Europe that year – to Italy in July, England in early October and a third after Trump’s November election. The investigators intend to press Cohen for more information, said the sources, who lacked authorization to speak for the record

One of the sources said congressional investigators have “a high level of interest” in Cohen’s European travel, with their doubts fueled by what they deem to be weak documentation Cohen has provided about his whereabouts around the time the Prague meeting was supposed to have occurred.

Cohen has said he was only in New York and briefly in Los Angeles during August, when the meeting may have occurred, though the sources said it also could have been held in early September."


Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article208870264.html#storylink=cpy

Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
37. Why the question of whether Michael Cohen visited Prague is massively important for Donald Trump
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 12:36 PM
Apr 2018
A story by Vox reviewing the importance of Cohen's Prague visit.

Did Trump lawyer Michael Cohen secretly visit Prague to meet with Russians in 2016? The future of Donald Trump’s presidency could hinge on whether the answer to that question is yes.

That’s because the claim that such a meeting happened is one of the most specific claims in Christopher Steele’s dossier alleging collusion between the Trump team and Russia to influence the 2016 election — and because, since the very first day that dossier was publicly released, Cohen has adamantly denied taking any such trip, and Trump’s team has relied on that denial to dispute the dossier’s accuracy. “I have never been to Prague in my life. #fakenews,” Cohen tweeted on January 10, 2017, hours after the dossier was posted.

Yet a new report from McClatchy’s Peter Stone and Greg Gordon claims that special counsel Robert Mueller has evidence that Cohen did, in fact, enter Prague through Germany at the height of the 2016 campaign, in “August or early September.”

The McClatchy report is based on anonymous sources, and we don’t yet know what the purported evidence is. It could still prove to be mistaken. Cohen himself reiterated his denial again Saturday morning, telling CNN, “No, I have never been to Prague,” and sending this tweet rebutting the story:

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
38. It will be nice when we get evidence instead of just 'sources'
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 01:52 PM
Apr 2018

Not denigrating 'sources', just want more evidence.
So looking forward to Mueller Time!

Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
39. Yes, evidence woud be nice. Convictions and impeachment will be better still.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:03 PM
Apr 2018

Imprisonment, forfeiture of assets, execution, and/or exile for the tRump gangmembers will be best of all.

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