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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 11:42 AM Apr 2018

Ryan Zinke refers to himself as a geologist. That's a job he's never held.

Source: CNN



By Sara Ganim, CNN

Updated 6:16 AM ET, Tue April 17, 2018

Washington (CNN)Defending his decision to shrink the Bears Ears national monument to lawmakers last week, Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke fell back one of his favorite credentials. "I'm a geologist," he said. "I can assure you that oil and gas in Bears Ears was not part of my decision matrix. A geologist will tell you there is little, if any, oil and gas."

Since becoming leader of the 70,000-employee agency, Zinke has suggested that he was a geologist or former geologist at least 40 times in public settings, including many under oath before Congress. He uses it as a credential booster, saying things such as, "I can tell you, from a geologist, offshore mining of sand is enormously destructive environmentally, as in comparison to seismic," as he told the House Natural Resources Committee last month.

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Zinke, however, has never held a job as a geologist.

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"I studied geology as a result of closing my eyes and randomly pointing to a major from the academic catalog, and I never looked back. I am just glad I did not find electronics," he wrote, adding that he was focused and a good student, and earned an outstanding academic achievement award his senior year.



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groundloop

(11,519 posts)
1. Well, at least he has a degree in Geology so he's not as full of BS as some repubs
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 11:47 AM
Apr 2018

I certainly don't agree with what he's been doing to our natural resources, but I won't take issue with him calling himself a geologist.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
3. Rump voters hate national parks exist for their enjoyment, they want them to be destroyed by
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 11:49 AM
Apr 2018

oil companies.

They must, right?

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
4. This is slightly misleading
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 11:49 AM
Apr 2018

To be clear, Zinke is deplorable and dangerous. My comments are not in support of him.

However, he did earn his Bachelor of Science with a major in geology. According to Wikipedia:

Zinke played college football at the University of Oregon and earned a B.S. degree in geology. He also has an M.B.A. and an M.S. in global leadership.


Many people earn Bachelor's degrees but don't practice in those fields. That doesn't mean that they've forgotten what they learned.

xor

(1,204 posts)
8. I would counter that by saying most people fresh out of college
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 01:23 PM
Apr 2018

usually have a lot to learn in their field. Except in some special cases, people don't come out of college as experts. They take the knowledge they gleaned from their classes and then use that to build up real practical expertise. So, unless he continued to do side work in geology, then I'd say he's probably worse off than a 22 year old fresh out of uni. I mean, at least the newbie human doesn't have to remember stuff from 35 yrs ago. Some of which may not even be totally up to date information.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
9. I received by BS in History. Yet I'm a cartographer, not a historian
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 02:46 PM
Apr 2018

I don't think it's common to refer to an academic course of studies as a valid, or even primary descriptor unless one engages a career in that same field. If we look at the primary (A) definition of geologist, he doesn't fit within its parameters as he is not currently a scientist who studies solid or liquid matter...

"A geologist is a scientist who studies the solid and liquid matter that constitutes the Earth as well as the processes that shape it."

I received by BS in History. Yet I'm a cartographer, not a historian and it would be disingenuous of me (at best) to call myself as such.

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
5. The real issue is that he has no business running a giant organization like Interior.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:02 PM
Apr 2018

He went to college, was a killer for the Navy, started a family business, and went into politics. He has almost zero relevant experience running a $20B, 70,000 person organization.

How come trump can't find actual qualified people to work for him?
Never mind, I already know.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
6. Having a degree in geology does not make him a geologist.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:32 PM
Apr 2018

I have a degree in history but I'm not an historian because I do not actively work in that field.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
10. My sister had a degree in teaching
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 03:47 PM
Apr 2018

but never taught. She was a social worker. I have 23 credits from UC Berkeley in Russian but never went there. I had better training in Russian, 1400 hours in the classroom, than anyone with a BA. I could honestly say that I was a Russian linguist since that is what I was in the Army, 1963-1967. You are what you did, not what you studied.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
11. I have a tendency to agree, a BA in Women's Studies doesn' t
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 04:36 PM
Apr 2018

..make anyone a Women, but if he paid attention in Geology classes, he would know that Geology Rules and it is not good to fool around with it.

Tikki

Igel

(35,320 posts)
12. "Teacher" is the job.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:23 PM
Apr 2018

Education major is the degree.

I'm not a chemist; I've never worked in the job. I have trouble referring to myself as a "chemist", degree notwithstanding, because that's somebody in the lab (or behind the chemist's counter). However, I do find that teachers teaching physics refer to themselves as "physicists"--it's a rare job title and the meaning (what's important, even in a pomo world) is what actually matters for regular people.

I'm a Slavist and a linguist. But I've only occasionally taught either and I'm not sure what, exactly, the job description would be. Does "translator" count? But art historians and historians are also Slavists, and you'd certainly count as a Russian linguist. In some contexts. But in others, you'd just be a translator or interpreter--sort of like the difference between an automotive engineer and a grease monkey. Ask me to translate a document, I'm there. Ask about the differences in Russian dialects, to parse an Old Russian text, to discuss how case functions in Russian or the rise of phonemic palatalization in Russian or stress placement in noncewords, I'm still there, you not so much. "Linguist" has different meanings by context.

My BIL's a geologist. He's ABD in geophysics. Never worked professionally as one. I've known lawyers and doctors who got their JDs and MDs but never passed the bar or board certification. They referred to themselves at times as lawyers and MDs. That they were--but "doctor" and "attorney" presuppose a practice are the jobs. An attorney is practicing; a lawyer is somebody who's studied the law, and may or may not practice. Friends in grad school had no trouble referring to themselves as astronomers; notice, they were still in school and didn't work as a practicing astronomer, whatever that means.


In some fields, in some contexts, you are what you trained for. In others, you are what you did. We are often accused, us Americans, of being defined by our jobs. That's not entirely true, it's a bad (and ethnicist) stereotype.

"Geologist" is somebody who searches for oil and gas, where I live. Elsewhere, it's a person who looks at seismic activity and mass wasting possibilities (sorry, that means "things like landslides or mudslides&quot . For my BIL, it meant geophysics and deep plate tectonics. But I know of a woman who calls herself one and she taught high-school physics and biology ... but geology was her major.

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