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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:16 PM Apr 2018

IRS electronic filing system breaks down hours before midnight deadline

Source: The Washington Post



By Jeffrey Stein and Mike DeBonis April 17 at 12:09 PM

The Internal Revenue Service’s electronic system that allows Americans to submit their tax returns online has partly failed Tuesday, complicating filing for the millions of Americans attempting to meet the midnight deadline.

“On my way over here this morning, I was told a number of systems are down at the moment,” IRS Acting Commissioner David J. Kautter told lawmakers at an IRS oversight hearing Tuesday. “We are working to resolve the issue and taxpayers should continue to file as they normally would.”

The IRS plans to attempt a “hard reboot” of its system in the hope of solving the problem, according to a congressional official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations.

“If we can’t solve it today we’ll figure out a solution,” Kautter said. “Taxpayers would not be penalized because of a technical problem the IRS is having.”

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IRS electronic filing system breaks down hours before midnight deadline (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2018 OP
FYI...just to be safe one can send a paper copy of thier tax return too, before... SWBTATTReg Apr 2018 #1
I use USPS to mail my taxes bucolic_frolic Apr 2018 #5
That's your decision but I happened (one time) to get a letter from the IRS that .. SWBTATTReg Apr 2018 #8
P.S. It cost me about $10 to send via certified and receipt requested for one return...nt SWBTATTReg Apr 2018 #10
Good advice for sure bucolic_frolic Apr 2018 #22
Me too BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #21
That crossed my mind. Rorey Apr 2018 #28
Another massive FAIL for Comrade Casino* & KGOP republican cronies Achilleaze Apr 2018 #2
If they came in and day 1 said, Igel Apr 2018 #35
A Dream from GOP Playbook slumcamper Apr 2018 #3
Hey, remember when the ACA site had problems and Republicans tried to turn it into a -gate scandal? ck4829 Apr 2018 #4
Exactly bucolic_frolic Apr 2018 #6
They probably cut funding and fired people to make it worse IronLionZion Apr 2018 #9
Problems w/ IRS computer systems... SWBTATTReg Apr 2018 #12
With some agencies, GOP congresspeople deliberately cripple their IT IronLionZion Apr 2018 #18
You got it on the nail head...I've always ... SWBTATTReg Apr 2018 #23
They contract it out BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #24
Thanks for tidbit of news... SWBTATTReg Apr 2018 #25
In a nutshell, the problem is trying to fund DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #31
My guess is that the system is overwhelmed by all PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2018 #7
I generally do mine in March to get it over with. IronLionZion Apr 2018 #11
Smart!! nt SWBTATTReg Apr 2018 #13
It's not in the dump's interest or most his cabinet, repuglicons to make tax collection efficient erronis Apr 2018 #14
So glad I filed in early February sdfernando Apr 2018 #15
Same! bearsfootball516 Apr 2018 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #16
Coordinated Russian hacker meddling truthisfreedom Apr 2018 #17
That headline is so misleading imo. LiberalFighter Apr 2018 #19
PUTIN joanbarnes Apr 2018 #20
My first thought. GeorgeGist Apr 2018 #30
shouldn't this be a huge scandal? barbtries Apr 2018 #26
Did my weeks ago turbo tax kimbutgar Apr 2018 #29
I owe, so I always mail it on the last day MissB Apr 2018 #33
I do my taxes as soon as all the DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #32
Could this be a cypher attack kimbutgar Apr 2018 #34

SWBTATTReg

(22,143 posts)
1. FYI...just to be safe one can send a paper copy of thier tax return too, before...
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:21 PM
Apr 2018

post office closes today too, via certified and return receipt requested means. This way, you can be assured that all went through okay via post office. Of course, per the IRS notes above, they may have issue(s) fixed to their electronic filing systems...

bucolic_frolic

(43,196 posts)
5. I use USPS to mail my taxes
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:25 PM
Apr 2018

I suppose I should certify/rr the mail ... but it does have a return address, and it never comes back to me.

I think over the last 40 years the USPS has lost 1 first class letter I sent. So the risk is small.

SWBTATTReg

(22,143 posts)
8. That's your decision but I happened (one time) to get a letter from the IRS that ..
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:34 PM
Apr 2018

stated that I didn't send in tax return on time (Fed.).

I had my receipts to prove to them (IRS) that in fact, I did (I provided copies of my two receipts for the tax return and returned w/ the IRS letter as required, in all IRS communications).

It saved me quite possibly a lot of headaches. I guess what I'm saying (in my case) that it does happen (to me), and I proved quite easily that in fact, I did send return in on time.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
28. That crossed my mind.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 01:15 PM
Apr 2018

But I've decided that I am going to risk it. Our accountant actually filed ours a few weeks ago, but I didn't mail in our checks yet and will do that this afternoon. There's a penalty for filing late, but actually paying late isn't as substantial of a penalty. I read it's 1/2 to 1 percent. Of course I don't want to pay that, but if something happens to our payments it won't be earth shattering.

We have rentals, and whenever I mail out the required letters to tenants who have moved out concerning their security deposits, I ALWAYS use certified mail. Triple damages would hurt a lot, so the couple of dollars for certified mail is worth it for peace of mind.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
2. Another massive FAIL for Comrade Casino* & KGOP republican cronies
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:22 PM
Apr 2018

republicans + taxes = major screw job for the American people ALWAYS.


* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

Igel

(35,320 posts)
35. If they came in and day 1 said,
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:30 PM
Apr 2018

"We need to upgrade all IRS software and computational hardware," it wouldn't be done yet.

Every attempt--this is under Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, has all had the same problem.

They want to write proprietary software. And they need to get new equipment. They source both.

By the time the propietary software is anywhere near alpha testing the equipment they'd have gone to is obsolete. They would be putting in 2-3 year-old, out-of-production hardware. And the software's a mess because 18 different committees submitted design changes over the previous 2-3 years.

Here's the results of one of the last attempts at upgrading the systems, from 2015 (going back to what was started in 2011 ... Please, remember who was sitting in the Oval Office and have due regard to his legacy before commenting negatively on this. Now, if a good president screwed up badly 2 years into his presidency and over the course of the next 4, consider what's likely 15 months into a presidency by a bad president. Worse then Obama, but we insist he be twice as good.)

Background and perspective are necessary for critical thinking.

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
3. A Dream from GOP Playbook
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:23 PM
Apr 2018

Trigger the hot button "TAXES"...Create chaos and sow discord and bitterness over inept "big gubmint"...Create context for privatization of management and function...Starve the beast...

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
4. Hey, remember when the ACA site had problems and Republicans tried to turn it into a -gate scandal?
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:24 PM
Apr 2018

Hmm, pretty quiet on this though.

SWBTATTReg

(22,143 posts)
12. Problems w/ IRS computer systems...
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:41 PM
Apr 2018

From my understanding Congress has not provided the additional funding so that the IRS can properly upgrade their very very old computer systems. This is why they break down. I wouldn't be surprised if they (IRS) still has computer systems dating from the 1970s...

Kind of amazing when you consider that in the world of business, they'll pay the money to upgrade computer systems to bring in/pay out money (and it's a top priority).

With the Fed. government, they probably can't pay the pay scale that most computer experts demand, thus, you get folks (and I'm not knocking anyone here folks, it's just 'management' and Congress) whose hands are tied by Congress (has purse strings) and keeps these old systems around.

IronLionZion

(45,462 posts)
18. With some agencies, GOP congresspeople deliberately cripple their IT
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:50 PM
Apr 2018

to claim they are slow and inefficient and must be privatized or ended completely.

SWBTATTReg

(22,143 posts)
23. You got it on the nail head...I've always ...
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:53 PM
Apr 2018

wondered why not upgrade? Your answer that they want to take private fits the glove perfectly.

BumRushDaShow

(129,136 posts)
24. They contract it out
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:54 PM
Apr 2018

(as a former fed who watched that happen with quite a bit of IT that dealt with big data systems, since they stopped in-house training years ago)

SWBTATTReg

(22,143 posts)
25. Thanks for tidbit of news...
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:58 PM
Apr 2018

As long as they are monitoring results of private companies doing the processing accurately, that's a good thing.

Take care.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
31. In a nutshell, the problem is trying to fund
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 02:11 PM
Apr 2018

a long term project with short term and uncertain funding. If an agency is going to embark on a big IT upgrade, then once the project is approved, the funding for it has to be stable until completion. That's really not what happens now.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
7. My guess is that the system is overwhelmed by all
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:33 PM
Apr 2018

of the people who wait until the last possible minute to file.

I used to see stories on Tax Day of people driving to post office branches that stayed open until midnight to accept mail, but often were open much later as lines of people and cars formed at right before midnight.

I don't do mean real early, but generally the first week in April.

IronLionZion

(45,462 posts)
11. I generally do mine in March to get it over with.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:37 PM
Apr 2018

These issues happen with any type of last minute surge of stuff. It happens with a lot of retail systems on black friday and Christmas eve.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
14. It's not in the dump's interest or most his cabinet, repuglicons to make tax collection efficient
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:45 PM
Apr 2018

Too many professionals in the IRS might uncover some --ahem-- fraudulent transactions.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
26. shouldn't this be a huge scandal?
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 01:00 PM
Apr 2018

shouldn't the people be in the streets and screaming the way they did when Obamacare went online? no?

MissB

(15,810 posts)
33. I owe, so I always mail it on the last day
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 02:59 PM
Apr 2018

We adjusted withholding-again- last year to try to get closer to zero owed, but we never quite get there. So I file by paper and stop by the post office on the way home from work, or walk over on my lunch hour if it’s nice. It’s just my routine. DH and I signed the forms last night. I’d had things wrapped up for a bit but we wait until the night before they are due to sign them.

Just our little traditions!

I even get a refund from the state this year, and will mail it out today.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
32. I do my taxes as soon as all the
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 02:14 PM
Apr 2018

financial form arrive, usually in Feb. My taxes were filed and completed 2 months ago.

I think the real problem is the IRS pushing people to file online. They haven't sent out tax booklets for more than a few years.

kimbutgar

(21,164 posts)
34. Could this be a cypher attack
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 04:14 PM
Apr 2018

Russia was threatening to disrupt things in the US recently because of the sanctions.

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