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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:27 PM Apr 2018

Oil soars 2.9% to 3-year high, settling at $68.47, as US crude stockpiles drop

Source: CNBC

Oil prices rose to their highest level since late 2014 after government data showed U.S. crude stockpiles fell last week and as the market continued to worry about supply disruptions in key fossil fuel-producing nations.

U.S. West Texas Intermediate crude futures ended Wednesday's session up $1.95, or 2.9 percent at $68.47, the best settle since Dec. 1, 2014. The contract hit an intraday high going back to Dec. 2, 2014.

International benchmark Brent crude oil futures also hit hit a new intraday high going back to November 2014. The contract rose $1.90, or 2.7 percent, to end the session at $73.48 a barrel.

Brent's settlement marked its best close since Nov. 26, 2014, the day before OPEC refused to take steps to stop a decline in oil prices, sparking a sharp sell-off that ultimately sent oil prices to 12-year lows.

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Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/18/us-crude-tops-68-for-the-first-time-in-more-than-three-years.html



Saw gas prices at $2.79 a gallon today.

So many Victories!!!!!111
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Oil soars 2.9% to 3-year high, settling at $68.47, as US crude stockpiles drop (Original Post) jpak Apr 2018 OP
This price increase is entirely on Trump. S.E. TN Liberal Apr 2018 #1
Its on the entire Repugnant party as they have the majority and thus they have the power to cstanleytech Apr 2018 #9
Agreed Rebl2 Apr 2018 #17
Yep. 110%. Your tax cut just got cut! democratisphere Apr 2018 #26
Gas prices going up - Fantastic! dalton99a Apr 2018 #2
Russia and the Saudis are pleased. Scurrilous Apr 2018 #3
Absolutely. dalton99a Apr 2018 #4
... jpak Apr 2018 #10
All I have to say to this.... TranssexualKaren Apr 2018 #15
Worshipping the Cabal's takeover of the world. democratisphere Apr 2018 #28
+1 Hugin Apr 2018 #24
Did anyone listen when I advised buying oil stocks quartz007 Apr 2018 #5
I remember paying $4 a gallon in 2014 MichMan Apr 2018 #6
2014? jpak Apr 2018 #7
I remember that time as well. Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #11
What bothers me is... TranssexualKaren Apr 2018 #8
The kook brothers, saudis, and russians are getting their $$$ worth out of donnie not fooled Apr 2018 #12
They'll blame it on Mueller C Moon Apr 2018 #16
And President Obama. n/t KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #20
Gas prices in 05-08 greatly helped push the economy of the rails cubbies01 Apr 2018 #13
Except prices in 2014 were much higher than now and it had little effect on the economy MichMan Apr 2018 #14
Not as high as the peak in the summer of 2008 paleotn Apr 2018 #18
I don't care what any graph says, since 2008, gas prices have been MUCH lower than 2002-2008 ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #29
Smells like collusion to me. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #19
Price of Gas at the pump has been ,,, Cryptoad Apr 2018 #21
Agreed Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #31
Here in BC we're paying the equivalent of $4.25 per U.S. gallon. n/t OnlinePoker Apr 2018 #22
We are gas exporters now. pwb Apr 2018 #23
A fairly misleading statement, sorry to say ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #30
republicans allowed exporting refined products. i don't care where it comes from. pwb Apr 2018 #33
Turns out I'm wrong (older numbers) and the US is down to importing only about 25% of ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #34
Dems running for Comgress in 2018 need to point out that middle-class and lower earners who No Vested Interest Apr 2018 #25
$3.77/gal. raven mad Apr 2018 #27
Helping his master vlad leftynyc Apr 2018 #32

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
9. Its on the entire Repugnant party as they have the majority and thus they have the power to
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:48 PM
Apr 2018

reign him in if they wanted to which they do not as they are co conspirators.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
26. Yep. 110%. Your tax cut just got cut!
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:33 AM
Apr 2018

This is what happens when wall street operatives and the wealthiest are in control of the show.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
5. Did anyone listen when I advised buying oil stocks
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:33 PM
Apr 2018

when price had dropped under $30/barrel? I loaded up on energy stocks 2 years ago and now enjoying a happy retirement.

MichMan

(11,929 posts)
6. I remember paying $4 a gallon in 2014
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:38 PM
Apr 2018

I was driving 100 miles a day for work and spending around $500 a month

Gas is still over $1 cheaper a gallon than it was back then

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
11. I remember that time as well.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:53 PM
Apr 2018

I bought a small compact car that got 35+ mpg and put my pickup truck (17 mpg) into semi retirement. I figured the car would pay for itself in gas savings and I'm pretty sure that it has done so.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
12. The kook brothers, saudis, and russians are getting their $$$ worth out of donnie
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:10 PM
Apr 2018

He was installed into the presidency to bring back $4/gal gasoline, among other things.

Hope the morans who voted for him understand when gas is back to bush-era highs.

Too bad the rest of us have to suffer, as well.


cubbies01

(85 posts)
13. Gas prices in 05-08 greatly helped push the economy of the rails
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:14 PM
Apr 2018

Sucked the life out of many peoples spending money.

MichMan

(11,929 posts)
14. Except prices in 2014 were much higher than now and it had little effect on the economy
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:24 PM
Apr 2018

Here is a graph of inflation adjusted gas prices over the last few decades

http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graph

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
18. Not as high as the peak in the summer of 2008
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 08:17 PM
Apr 2018

Not the straw, but a straw that broke the economy's back. It had a significant impact on demand, at a time when we needed all the demand we could get. Back then, we actually kicked around the idea of a 4 day work week for admin staff since fuel prices were so high.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
29. I don't care what any graph says, since 2008, gas prices have been MUCH lower than 2002-2008 ...
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:09 AM
Apr 2018

If there was a spike in 2014 it was short-lived, overall average over the past 10 years has been far, far lower than 2002-2008. I was there.

This all being said ... higher gas prices will encourage development of alternatives, and cut down on consumption, and reducing greenhouse emissions, so at least there is that.

The key concern though is ... what are the actual 'on the ground facts' involved in the consumer price rising? Is it just profit-taking, or is it because petroleum is legitimately harder to produce? It's not an unlimited resource, and mankind is, at this point, tapped out on 'cheap petroleum' ... that shit is LONG AGO burnt up.

At this point, energy return on energy invested is far, far lower than it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 years ago.

Rising prices, though they MAY be due to 'profit taking' and 'speculation', can ALSO be caused by actual/legit supply-side issues and demand exceeding production capacity. Many of us expected 'peak oil' to start 10 years ago ... then 2007-8 happened, and demand dropped and fracking kicked up for a while anyway ... at SOME point, petroleum prices will begin rising, and will NEVER drop like they did after the market crash again. The death spiral on supply is GOING to happen ... period.

IMHO humanity just squandered a GOLDEN opportunity to hugely invest in renewables over the past 10 years (should've started in the 1970's but hey, we were given one more chance) ... most of the world just pissed it away, stupidly. Humanity should've been utilizing what was likely the last gasp of relatively cheap energy to build wind farms, solar panels, large-scale storage systems, and YES, more nuclear facilities where needed (also a clean energy source) over the last 10 years, and some countries did ... they were the smart ones.

But most places? NO, we have entrenched 'interests' pumping out cornucopian, climate change denial propaganda to morons ... who bought their bullshit. They have most likely doomed humanity with their GREED and IDIOCY ... SAD.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,491 posts)
19. Smells like collusion to me.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 08:18 PM
Apr 2018

This may be market manipulation to gain political leverage with the public to allow more drilling with less regulation. With Trump's cabinet, we know they're salivating to do it without limits - shale, tar sands and the Arctic. They also need to reward their energy market political donors and Middle Eastern friends.

Unrest in the Middle East is not helping, either - especially sword-rattling with Iran.

........... ..........

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
21. Price of Gas at the pump has been ,,,
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 09:30 PM
Apr 2018

steadily going here in Dumbfuckistan since Fuckhead was elected POTUS.....(up 85 Cents/ gal).. Sure would like some of that ole cheap Obama Gas once again!

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
31. Agreed
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 07:16 AM
Apr 2018

This hidden tax on the working folks will ripple through the economy driving up the costs of everything, just as it did last time. I recall the amazed look on my SILs face when I made the same point in 2007. She blew me off until I pointed out that absolutely nothing gets to a store shelf without it first being on the back of a truck.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
30. A fairly misleading statement, sorry to say ...
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:23 AM
Apr 2018

The US still imports on net at least 40% of the petroleum we consume, for whatever purpose.

The VAST MAJORITY of 'gasoline' that we supposedly 'export' ... is in fact the product of other countries shipping THEIR crude to the USA, availing themselves of our advanced Coastal refining facilities, wherein we are turning their oil into distillates such as gasoline (in some cases, we have the ONLY refineries capable of turning their petroleum into gas), then we ship it back to them, or to their end consumers, with the our refiners pocketing a nice fee.

This process falls under the calculation of 'US Gasoline Exports'. I.E., the vast majority of what people think we 'export'? It wasn't 'our' petroleum to begin with.

Anyone believing that we are not still A MASSIVE NET IMPORTER of Petroleum, is woefully mistaken. The Saudi's, we are not. And will never (again) be.

pwb

(11,267 posts)
33. republicans allowed exporting refined products. i don't care where it comes from.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 08:52 AM
Apr 2018

its new that we export gas. i don't buy your opinion. sorry. any proof of your claim?

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
34. Turns out I'm wrong (older numbers) and the US is down to importing only about 25% of ...
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 01:41 PM
Apr 2018

what we either consume or refine and ship out as of 2017. Down from 60% in 2005 I suppose that could be said to be 'good', most of the 'improvement' was during the 8 years of Obama.

However as I say alot of the 'gasoline' (petroleum distillates) that we 'export' actually starts as low-quality oil from Canada and Venezuela that we bought at a cheap rate cause they don't have the refining capability for this crap, then we ship it off as finished product and refiners pocket profit$.

Here's some detail on 'how things work and why', and there's a good comment after the initial article.

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-US-both-import-and-export-oil-Isnt-capitalism-supposed-to-find-the-cheapest-solution-It-seems-pretty-inefficient-to-import-220-billion-worth-of-oil-and-export-180-billion-worth-of-oil ...

Have to admit I find it pretty ludicrous that Congress in 2015 lifted the ban on export of crude, after so many years of harping about 'energy independence' lol ... if we want independence, leave that shit in the ground so we have it later, don't overproduce to the point where the only thing it makes sense to do with it ... is sell it to the rest of the world. Doesn't seem to jibe. But the whole matter is quite complex, as the article above shows.

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
25. Dems running for Comgress in 2018 need to point out that middle-class and lower earners who
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:25 AM
Apr 2018

might have benefitted from the new tax bill are giving it back- and maybe more- to oil companies.

Republicans are planning to run ads praising the tax bill, but I doubt that many Americans voters will have a net benefit when all is said and done.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
32. Helping his master vlad
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 07:59 AM
Apr 2018

try and get around the cost of sanctions by raising the cost of oil. That's all this is.

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