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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:15 PM Apr 2018

Flight Records Illuminate Mystery of Trump's Moscow Nights

Source: Bloomberg

President denied overnight Miss Universe stay, Comey memos say. Jet landed on a Friday, left pre-dawn Sunday after pageant.

President Donald Trump twice gave James Comey an alibi for why a salacious report about the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow couldn’t be true: He never even spent the night in Russia during that trip, Trump told the former FBI director, according to Comey’s memos about the conversations.

Yet the broad timeline of Trump’s stay, stretching from Friday, Nov. 8, 2013, through the following Sunday morning, has been widely reported. And it’s substantiated by social media posts that show he slept in Moscow the night before the Miss Universe contest.

Now, flight records obtained by Bloomberg provide to-the-minute details, from wheels down to departure. Combined with existing accounts and Trump’s own social-media posts, they capture a mere 45 hours and 43 minutes that, nearly five years later, loom large in the controversy engulfing the White House and at the heart of the Comey memos, which the Justice Department turned over last week to Congress.

Neither the White House nor Trump Organization immediately responded to requests for comment.

Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/flight-records-illuminate-mystery-of-trump-s-moscow-nights

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Flight Records Illuminate Mystery of Trump's Moscow Nights (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Apr 2018 OP
Trump lied to an FBI Directors about that RandySF Apr 2018 #1
These were off the cuff comments while he was being briefed on the dossier. Calista241 Apr 2018 #14
Thankfully, no one on the thread is arguing as such. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #16
And since spending a night in Moscow Mr.Bill Apr 2018 #2
Not necessarily metalbot Apr 2018 #22
Trumpy lies for BOTH reasons. Eyeball_Kid Apr 2018 #26
Trump lied. Shocking, I tell 'ya, shocking. democrank Apr 2018 #3
Yes shocking. trump's whole life is a lie Cha Apr 2018 #36
Time to reboot 48 Hours. TeamPooka Apr 2018 #4
He could have slept on his Turbineguy Apr 2018 #5
Wasnt he using his private plane, Hair Farce One? N/T Orange Free State Apr 2018 #9
Oh my! MontanaMama Apr 2018 #6
The golden showers story could be true even if Trump did not spend a night Sophia4 Apr 2018 #7
The fact thst he LIED about spending the night shows consciousness of guilt. nt SunSeeker Apr 2018 #11
Possibly. But he is so nutty, so crazy that it could just be that he is playing a Sophia4 Apr 2018 #18
No, not possibly. It IS evidence consciousness of guilt. SunSeeker Apr 2018 #20
I totally agree with you. The Wielding Truth Apr 2018 #25
Due to the time difference, was it am or Pee Em. dameatball Apr 2018 #21
No comment. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #23
Urine a lot of trouble (n/t) PJMcK Apr 2018 #28
Rofl.... Wwcd Apr 2018 #30
OK you win....:) dameatball Apr 2018 #31
I was thinking the same thing PatSeg Apr 2018 #24
No comment-----------we where caught Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #8
Don't forget- his bodyguard Keith Schiller testified under oath that they spent the night wishstar Apr 2018 #10
Notice that Schiller quit shortly after making that statement to Nunnes' committee. TrollBuster9090 Apr 2018 #13
I don't see how hand delivering the letter exposes him to charges. Jedi Guy Apr 2018 #17
If he knew the contents, purpose, and intent of the letter, ... TrollBuster9090 Apr 2018 #32
That's what I was thinking about too. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #15
I also forgot Schiller's antict with the protesters outside Trump Tower. TrollBuster9090 Apr 2018 #33
Good point. Mrs. Overall Apr 2018 #35
TRUMP DOES NOT LIE!!!! concreteblue Apr 2018 #12
I never thought of that.. stillcool Apr 2018 #29
No legal jeopardy, true... BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #19
Maggot began lying MFM008 Apr 2018 #27
It was quite a golden acheivement for Trump Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2018 #34
Liar, Liar, pants blazingly on fire laserhaas Apr 2018 #37
Don't need flight records, Schiller already confirmed DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #38

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
14. These were off the cuff comments while he was being briefed on the dossier.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:48 PM
Apr 2018

He was not under oath, wasn't being recorded, wasn't being asked any questions, and the FBI wasn't even investigating anything about Trump and the dossier at that point. Trump volunteered information about years old activities during the trip.

Comey's concern was that this information was circulating, and that he believed someone was clearly trying to distribute potentially compromising photos / information about his new boss, and he wanted Trump to know about it.

Not everything is a crime, something to impeach Trump with and throw him in jail. There's enough legit shit to be vocal about with Trump. When every reported comment is dissected 5 ways from Sunday, we look like alarmist, reactionary, obsessed fanatics who will say anything in the hope that maybe some of it might stick.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. Thankfully, no one on the thread is arguing as such.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:52 PM
Apr 2018

Not everything is a crime, something to impeach Trump with and throw him in jail..."

Thankfully, no one on the thread is arguing as such. In fact, you appear the only one bringing it up.

Reactionary, indeed...

Most certainly, your concern this will make Democrats looks bad is as sincere as it is misplaced.

Mr.Bill

(24,319 posts)
2. And since spending a night in Moscow
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:19 PM
Apr 2018

is a completely innocent act in and of itself, something pretty nasty must have happened during that night to make Trump deny it so vehemently.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
22. Not necessarily
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 04:40 PM
Apr 2018

The problem is that Trump lies pathologically and for reasons of ego, not for any practical reason. That makes it hard to argue that "because he's lying this time, it means it's to cover up something serious".

democrank

(11,103 posts)
3. Trump lied. Shocking, I tell 'ya, shocking.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:23 PM
Apr 2018

Remember....just because all the clocks in a square city block say 6:00, it could be 10:45 by Trumpworld standards.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
7. The golden showers story could be true even if Trump did not spend a night
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:25 PM
Apr 2018

in Moscow. It would not have taken all that long.

That is not to say that it is true. It could just as well be very false.

But the fact that Trump claims he did not spend a full night in Moscow does not prove that it did not happen. Doesn't prove it happened either.

Is Bloomberg accounting for the differences in time? Is the report from Bloomberg based on our time or Moscow time. There is a difference.

Moscow is 7 hours ahead of New York.
https://24timezones.com/difference/us-ny/moscow

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
18. Possibly. But he is so nutty, so crazy that it could just be that he is playing a
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 04:04 PM
Apr 2018

sort of game -- with himself as well as with everyone else.

Remember. He is not all that sane in the sense of in touch with reality.

I sometimes wonder whether, as a child, he ever had to pay a price for his misconduct. How could a person sleep with a porn star when his wife has just had a baby? How insane is that???? I mean, when we had our children, my husband was so protective of the entire family. What in the world is Trump about. He just is not normal at all, not even within the scope of normality.

SunSeeker

(51,694 posts)
20. No, not possibly. It IS evidence consciousness of guilt.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 04:10 PM
Apr 2018

I'm not saying it proves guilt. I'm just saying it is evidence of consciousness of guilt.

And yes, he is an abnormal human being. But he is not mentally ill to the point of not knowing the difference between right and wrong. He damn well does know the difference. That is why he keeps lying about what he's been doing and won't release his tax returns.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
24. I was thinking the same thing
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 05:33 PM
Apr 2018

I do believe he DID spend the night, but you don't have to spend the night to have an interaction with hookers.

Trump is such a careless liar. He lies about things that can easily be disproved.

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
10. Don't forget- his bodyguard Keith Schiller testified under oath that they spent the night
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:36 PM
Apr 2018

He testified that after the party where they turned down offer of prostitutes, he accompanied Trump to Trump's room and left him there while Keith went to his own room to sleep that night so he did not know whether or not anything took place in Trump's room that night after Keith left. But they did not pack and leave that night.

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
13. Notice that Schiller quit shortly after making that statement to Nunnes' committee.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:46 PM
Apr 2018

I have a feeling he didn't want to continue to be in a position where he had to keep exposing himself to legal jeopardy over and over again.

First he walks a tight rope in front of the House committee by answering the question that way. Opening himself up to potential perjury charges. He also hand delivered the 'you're fired' letter to Comey's office while Comey was in California, thus opening himself up to being an accessory to obstruction of justice. I can see why the big goon wanted to get out of there.

Jedi Guy

(3,247 posts)
17. I don't see how hand delivering the letter exposes him to charges.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:57 PM
Apr 2018

By that logic, a courier delivering the exact same letter is exposed to charges. Just delivering a letter from your boss isn't a criminal act. They'd have to have evidence of some kind showing that he provided material aid to Trump's obstruction of justice. Merely delivering a letter wouldn't tick that box, I'd think.

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
32. If he knew the contents, purpose, and intent of the letter, ...
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 07:53 PM
Apr 2018

...and still delivered it, he could be liable. Especially if he knew that the intent of firing Comey was to stop the Russia investigation. And, knowing Trump's close relationship with Schiller, I don't doubt that he knew that was the intent of firing Comey.

If that wasn't the case, anybody could have delivered it. But I suspect Trump probably asked a couple of other people first, and they refused.

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
33. I also forgot Schiller's antict with the protesters outside Trump Tower.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 07:55 PM
Apr 2018

That time he stole that protester's sign, and then decked him when he tried to get it back. I'm hoping that guy sued the big gorilla for violating his First Amendment rights, on top of filing charges for common assault.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
12. TRUMP DOES NOT LIE!!!!
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:40 PM
Apr 2018

Rep. Jordan said so!
Also, if you don't sleep, like, say, for instance, hypothetically, you stayed awake the whole time on cocaine with hookers, it's NOT lying to say you didn't "spend the night".

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
19. No legal jeopardy, true...
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 04:08 PM
Apr 2018

...but another step along the road to a massive pile of evidence. I wonder how they plan to lie Pee Diddler out of this one.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
38. Don't need flight records, Schiller already confirmed
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:56 AM
Apr 2018

that Trump stayed at least 1 overnight. Schiller testified to the House Intel Cmte, iirc, that when they were in Moscow in 2013 for the "Miss Universe" show, he stood outside Trump's hotel room door for at least part of one night.

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