Flight Records Illuminate Mystery of Trump's Moscow Nights
Source: Bloomberg
President denied overnight Miss Universe stay, Comey memos say. Jet landed on a Friday, left pre-dawn Sunday after pageant.
President Donald Trump twice gave James Comey an alibi for why a salacious report about the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow couldnt be true: He never even spent the night in Russia during that trip, Trump told the former FBI director, according to Comeys memos about the conversations.
Yet the broad timeline of Trumps stay, stretching from Friday, Nov. 8, 2013, through the following Sunday morning, has been widely reported. And its substantiated by social media posts that show he slept in Moscow the night before the Miss Universe contest.
Now, flight records obtained by Bloomberg provide to-the-minute details, from wheels down to departure. Combined with existing accounts and Trumps own social-media posts, they capture a mere 45 hours and 43 minutes that, nearly five years later, loom large in the controversy engulfing the White House and at the heart of the Comey memos, which the Justice Department turned over last week to Congress.
Neither the White House nor Trump Organization immediately responded to requests for comment.
Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/flight-records-illuminate-mystery-of-trump-s-moscow-nights
RandySF
(59,221 posts)Obstruction? Lying to an FBI agent?
Calista241
(5,586 posts)He was not under oath, wasn't being recorded, wasn't being asked any questions, and the FBI wasn't even investigating anything about Trump and the dossier at that point. Trump volunteered information about years old activities during the trip.
Comey's concern was that this information was circulating, and that he believed someone was clearly trying to distribute potentially compromising photos / information about his new boss, and he wanted Trump to know about it.
Not everything is a crime, something to impeach Trump with and throw him in jail. There's enough legit shit to be vocal about with Trump. When every reported comment is dissected 5 ways from Sunday, we look like alarmist, reactionary, obsessed fanatics who will say anything in the hope that maybe some of it might stick.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Not everything is a crime, something to impeach Trump with and throw him in jail..."
Thankfully, no one on the thread is arguing as such. In fact, you appear the only one bringing it up.
Reactionary, indeed...
Most certainly, your concern this will make Democrats looks bad is as sincere as it is misplaced.
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)is a completely innocent act in and of itself, something pretty nasty must have happened during that night to make Trump deny it so vehemently.
metalbot
(1,058 posts)The problem is that Trump lies pathologically and for reasons of ego, not for any practical reason. That makes it hard to argue that "because he's lying this time, it means it's to cover up something serious".
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)You have no evidence to make that inference.
democrank
(11,103 posts)Remember....just because all the clocks in a square city block say 6:00, it could be 10:45 by Trumpworld standards.
Cha
(297,650 posts)TeamPooka
(24,254 posts)Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)plane.
Oh, wait. He didn't take that one.
Orange Free State
(611 posts)MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)What's coming next???
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)in Moscow. It would not have taken all that long.
That is not to say that it is true. It could just as well be very false.
But the fact that Trump claims he did not spend a full night in Moscow does not prove that it did not happen. Doesn't prove it happened either.
Is Bloomberg accounting for the differences in time? Is the report from Bloomberg based on our time or Moscow time. There is a difference.
Moscow is 7 hours ahead of New York.
https://24timezones.com/difference/us-ny/moscow
SunSeeker
(51,694 posts)Sophia4
(3,515 posts)sort of game -- with himself as well as with everyone else.
Remember. He is not all that sane in the sense of in touch with reality.
I sometimes wonder whether, as a child, he ever had to pay a price for his misconduct. How could a person sleep with a porn star when his wife has just had a baby? How insane is that???? I mean, when we had our children, my husband was so protective of the entire family. What in the world is Trump about. He just is not normal at all, not even within the scope of normality.
SunSeeker
(51,694 posts)I'm not saying it proves guilt. I'm just saying it is evidence of consciousness of guilt.
And yes, he is an abnormal human being. But he is not mentally ill to the point of not knowing the difference between right and wrong. He damn well does know the difference. That is why he keeps lying about what he's been doing and won't release his tax returns.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)dameatball
(7,399 posts)Sophia4
(3,515 posts)PJMcK
(22,048 posts)dameatball
(7,399 posts)PatSeg
(47,586 posts)I do believe he DID spend the night, but you don't have to spend the night to have an interaction with hookers.
Trump is such a careless liar. He lies about things that can easily be disproved.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)wishstar
(5,271 posts)He testified that after the party where they turned down offer of prostitutes, he accompanied Trump to Trump's room and left him there while Keith went to his own room to sleep that night so he did not know whether or not anything took place in Trump's room that night after Keith left. But they did not pack and leave that night.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)I have a feeling he didn't want to continue to be in a position where he had to keep exposing himself to legal jeopardy over and over again.
First he walks a tight rope in front of the House committee by answering the question that way. Opening himself up to potential perjury charges. He also hand delivered the 'you're fired' letter to Comey's office while Comey was in California, thus opening himself up to being an accessory to obstruction of justice. I can see why the big goon wanted to get out of there.
Jedi Guy
(3,247 posts)By that logic, a courier delivering the exact same letter is exposed to charges. Just delivering a letter from your boss isn't a criminal act. They'd have to have evidence of some kind showing that he provided material aid to Trump's obstruction of justice. Merely delivering a letter wouldn't tick that box, I'd think.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)...and still delivered it, he could be liable. Especially if he knew that the intent of firing Comey was to stop the Russia investigation. And, knowing Trump's close relationship with Schiller, I don't doubt that he knew that was the intent of firing Comey.
If that wasn't the case, anybody could have delivered it. But I suspect Trump probably asked a couple of other people first, and they refused.
BigmanPigman
(51,627 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)That time he stole that protester's sign, and then decked him when he tried to get it back. I'm hoping that guy sued the big gorilla for violating his First Amendment rights, on top of filing charges for common assault.
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)concreteblue
(626 posts)Rep. Jordan said so!
Also, if you don't sleep, like, say, for instance, hypothetically, you stayed awake the whole time on cocaine with hookers, it's NOT lying to say you didn't "spend the night".
stillcool
(32,626 posts)Makes perfect sense to me, in an 80's kind of way
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)...but another step along the road to a massive pile of evidence. I wonder how they plan to lie Pee Diddler out of this one.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)With his first breath.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)that Trump stayed at least 1 overnight. Schiller testified to the House Intel Cmte, iirc, that when they were in Moscow in 2013 for the "Miss Universe" show, he stood outside Trump's hotel room door for at least part of one night.