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riversedge

(70,306 posts)
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 06:55 PM Apr 2018

'Real Indian' challenging Elizabeth Warren must remove signs calling her a fake Indian, city says R

Source: Miami Herald



'Real Indian' challenging Elizabeth Warren must remove signs calling her a fake Indian, city says



April 24, 2018 12:25 PM

"Only a REAL INDIAN Can Defeat the Fake Indian."

The words, emblazoned on two signs that hang off U.S. Senate candidate Shiva Ayyadurai's campaign bus, appear next to two images: one of a stoic Ayyadurai looking into the camera, and another of a closeup of Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wearing a Native American headdress.



Ayyadurai, a 54-year-old scientist born in Bombay, India, told the Washington Times the city of Camridge, Mass., had ordered him to remove the signs because they were placed "without approvals and permits." He believes this was instead a case of the city trying to clamp down on his right to free speech.


“This is a political vendetta by city officials who are supporters of Elizabeth Warren, Ayyadurai told the paper. "“We will not remove the slogan from our bus,” Ayyadurai told the paper. “We will defend the First Amendment, and we will fight this egregious attack on the First Amendment, at any cost.”

He has since filed a lawsuit demanding the court prevent the city of Cambridge from imposing a fine on his campaign, saying that the same signs were in place for months and that he was only served a notice when the wording was changed. The suit also makes a case that the signs cannot be in violation because they are on a moving vehicle, not a building.
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Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article209690204.html#storylink=cpy



Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article209690204.html



He is running as an Independent.






Shiva Ayyadurai, who is running for U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren's seat, is suing the city of Cambridge, Mass., for ordering him to remove signs that call Warren a "fake Indian." Warren has been criticized for saying she has Cherokee ancestry. Shiva Ayyadurai/Twitter Screenshot
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'Real Indian' challenging Elizabeth Warren must remove signs calling her a fake Indian, city says R (Original Post) riversedge Apr 2018 OP
Waste of money and a bus. Freethinker65 Apr 2018 #1
Does he understand she claims Native American ancestry? DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #2
He knows the difference but thinks the average American is stupid Stargazer99 Apr 2018 #34
The Americans to which you refer, probably look at his DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #42
This is the double offense in the wording. Grade A trumpist asshole. poboy2 Apr 2018 #44
Yeah, I'm sure this will get you some Trumpkins RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #3
Indeed.. Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #26
That Ad Is The Kind Of Cheap Shot Me. Apr 2018 #4
His ad is arguably defammatory elleng Apr 2018 #5
free-speech-wise, he may be in the right on this case paulkienitz Apr 2018 #20
the right to play stupidity? Stargazer99 Apr 2018 #35
for fuck sakes.... dhill926 Apr 2018 #6
This exactly....... a kennedy Apr 2018 #21
He's a republican, what else can we expect?? pangaia Apr 2018 #29
Maybe they fall for that stuff in Trumpville C_U_L8R Apr 2018 #7
"Ayyadurai, a Trump supporter ..." left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #8
Kind of sad really. Turbineguy Apr 2018 #9
So, every Native American is a "fake indian"? TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #10
I don't think we have to worry here in Cambridge Croney Apr 2018 #11
The only thing this guy is ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #12
Scott Brown tried this play and lost djacq Apr 2018 #13
Idiot. We don't want a real INDIAN. This is America and we want a real AMERICAN. n/t pnwmom Apr 2018 #14
+10000000000000000000000000000!!! 2naSalit Apr 2018 #22
Have you ever notice the more childish it is, BarbaRosa Apr 2018 #15
He claims he invented email... riversedge Apr 2018 #16
for anyone interested scipan Apr 2018 #45
Hey Shiva can I call you Shiva........................ turbinetree Apr 2018 #17
ffs... arithia Apr 2018 #18
This isnt about the real-ness of North American native tribes: robbob Apr 2018 #19
Really? 2naSalit Apr 2018 #23
Why would I have to do that? robbob Apr 2018 #31
I don't care what the basis for his claim is, IT'S A CHEAP SHOT EITHER WAY. pnwmom Apr 2018 #24
Elizabeth Warren liberal from boston Apr 2018 #40
As a former Bostonian I am also proud of Elizabeth Warren robbob Apr 2018 #41
Where is the democratic bus... flotsam Apr 2018 #25
Isn't Fox News the originator of this story? dem4decades Apr 2018 #27
OH SNAP! How did I miss this arithia Apr 2018 #28
His website-- This guy is one weird dude. pangaia Apr 2018 #30
It also bears reporting that Shiva Ayyaduai is not Native American. pazzyanne Apr 2018 #32
While Senator Warren might not be 100% GWC58 Apr 2018 #33
scum filth JI7 Apr 2018 #36
He use to be married to Fran Drescher and claimed he invented the Email JI7 Apr 2018 #37
Good grief, what an assclown. n/t area51 Apr 2018 #38
Elizabeth Warren isn't an indian real or fake Raine Apr 2018 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author poboy2 Apr 2018 #43

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
2. Does he understand she claims Native American ancestry?
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 06:59 PM
Apr 2018

There are Indians from the sub-continent of India and Indians who were the original inhabitants of America and are now called Native Americans.

Stargazer99

(2,599 posts)
34. He knows the difference but thinks the average American is stupid
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:20 AM
Apr 2018

the conservatives are trying hard to make sure the lower classes do not become well educated because they would be more difficult to screw

 

poboy2

(2,078 posts)
44. This is the double offense in the wording. Grade A trumpist asshole.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:51 AM
Apr 2018

Smells of O'Keffe/Milo/Trump juvenile assholery

elleng

(131,129 posts)
5. His ad is arguably defammatory
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:03 PM
Apr 2018

(but problem due to her prominence; standards differ.) I wonder how many voters up there will go for it.

paulkienitz

(1,296 posts)
20. free-speech-wise, he may be in the right on this case
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:50 PM
Apr 2018

which does not of course make his point valid

dhill926

(16,358 posts)
6. for fuck sakes....
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:03 PM
Apr 2018

continuing to raise the level of political dialogue in the age of the orange menace...

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
7. Maybe they fall for that stuff in Trumpville
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:05 PM
Apr 2018

but Massachusetts has no tolerance for that kind of nasty ratfuckery.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
8. "Ayyadurai, a Trump supporter ..."
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:07 PM
Apr 2018

From the linked article:

"Ayyadurai is no stranger to controversy.
The scientist is perhaps most well known for claiming to have invented email as a teenager ..."

Croney

(4,670 posts)
11. I don't think we have to worry here in Cambridge
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:11 PM
Apr 2018

that this guy is a credible threat to our beloved Ms. Warren, whose ancestry means absolutely nothing to me.

scipan

(2,359 posts)
45. for anyone interested
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 03:02 PM
Apr 2018

this guy seems like pretty much of a charlatan. He claims to have invented "EMAIL" because he copyrighted a program called "EMAIL" in 1978, long after email was actually in use.

From nethistory:
Early email was just a small advance on what we know these days as a file directory - it just put a message in another user's directory in a spot where they could see it when they logged in. Simple as that. Just like leaving a note on someone's desk.

....

Before internetworking began, therefore, email could only be used to send messages to various users of the same computer. Once computers began to talk to each other over networks, however, the problem became a little more complex - We needed to be able to put a message in an envelope and address it. To do this, we needed a means to indicate to whom letters should go that the electronic posties understood - just like the postal system, we needed a way to indicate an address.

This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972. Like many of the Internet inventors, Tomlinson worked for Bolt Beranek and Newman as an ARPANET contractor. He picked the @ symbol from the computer keyboard to denote sending messages from one computer to another. So then, for anyone using Internet standards, it was simply a matter of nominating name-of-the-user@name-of-the-computer. Internet pioneer Jon Postel, who we will hear more of later, was one of the first users of the new system, and is credited with describing it as a "nice hack". It certainly was, and it has lasted to this day.

http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
17. Hey Shiva can I call you Shiva........................
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:31 PM
Apr 2018

maybe you should read about the Cherokee Nation, or better yet maybe you should grow-up, and while your growing up read this book, it pretty much tells you what it means for my Cherokee heritage that my mother taught me on how to be a man, and our circle of life, and not using words as some form of cliche....................do you understand the word cliche

http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/cher/motc/index.htm


And if you can get past the Myths here is shorter version for your IQ and your mentality

http://www.native-languages.org/cherokee.htm



arithia

(455 posts)
18. ffs...
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:35 PM
Apr 2018

Last edited Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:06 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm as white looking as she is and I have Lenape ancestry. Genetics and inherited physical traits are interesting in that way. If it's a few generations back.....

By calling her a "fake Indian", he is using a term many Native Americans find outdated and offensive. Picturing her with a war-bonnet to question her ancestry is flat out window-licking levels of ignorance. ****The Cherokee didn't f*cking wear them!!!!!!!!!!!****

http://www.cherokee.org/About-The-Nation/Culture/General/Manner-of-Cherokee-Dress

So, in his not-so-subtle accusation of cultural appropriation, he's conflating different tribes/their customs and displaying his own racist stereotypes. Not surprising given that he's given to claims that are bullshit.

What a jerk.

robbob

(3,538 posts)
19. This isnt about the real-ness of North American native tribes:
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:47 PM
Apr 2018

I don’t like the cheap shots either, but this guy is obviously picking up on the RW talking point that Elizabeth Warren “made up” a story about her Native American ancestry. I don’t like it either, but I don’t think we need to pretend he is making some broader racist shot aimed at First Nations.

I mean, really? No one here has heard the criticisms that Warren lied (or exaggerated) about her ancestry?

2naSalit

(86,798 posts)
23. Really?
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:00 PM
Apr 2018

So perhaps you could provide some actual evidence that Senator warren actually did lie about her ancestry? And which Native Americans have you spoken to about this? And what did they actually say, if you actually spoke to one or more?

This is racial bias baiting with absolute and unabashed ignorance. And I suspect that he is knowingly baiting an argument against Native Americans which will soon find its way out of the mouths of the polluted gene pool in DC.

robbob

(3,538 posts)
31. Why would I have to do that?
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 09:15 PM
Apr 2018

Last edited Tue Apr 24, 2018, 11:09 PM - Edit history (1)

I’m not casting doubt on Warren’s claims to Native ancestry; I’m just pointing out that this is a RW smear job they have used against EW. His ad slamming her as a “fake Indian” is playing on this RW smear. I don’t like him, I hate the GOP, and I hate this juvenile mud slinging politics of personal destruction. I just don’t believe his ad is a broader attack on Native Americans; it’s clearly an attack on Warren based on the RW smear that she lied/exaggerated her claims to Native American heritage.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
24. I don't care what the basis for his claim is, IT'S A CHEAP SHOT EITHER WAY.
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:09 PM
Apr 2018

His "real" Indian-ness isn't better than her real American-ness. All we care about is what kind of AMERICANS they are, and he seems to be choosing to identify with his Indian background more than his US citizenship. No, thanks.

40. Elizabeth Warren
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:40 AM
Apr 2018

Massachusetts is very proud of Senator Warren. Meghan McCain on The View went on a rant stating that a worthy person was denied because of Senator Warren's lies. After a commercial break Whoopee read a statement from Harvard University Professor that Harvard recruited Elizabeth Warren & her resume did not include her Indian ancestry. Suggest you watch video of Scott Brown begging Mr. Koch for money.

robbob

(3,538 posts)
41. As a former Bostonian I am also proud of Elizabeth Warren
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:09 AM
Apr 2018

I think she best represents what is good about the Democratic Party. My post was just an attempt to deconstruct the original attack on her (“fake Indian “) by pointing out how it is another RW smear that has been around for a while (as evidenced by what you saw on The View), and not necessarily IMHO a broader attack on all Native American First Nation people as was being suggested by so many in this thread.

Republicons smear, lie, cheat and distort. Let’s not be like them.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
25. Where is the democratic bus...
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:38 PM
Apr 2018

...with a multi-armed drawing of Shiva the destroyer of worlds and some clever phrasing about Warren being a builder of progressive coalitions???

And I'd check this guys funding-this is pure gop ratfucking.

arithia

(455 posts)
28. OH SNAP! How did I miss this
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:54 PM
Apr 2018

in my initial google search.. what an asshole! Dude's a domestic abuser. (Multiple websites back up the tweet, including conservative media.)






pazzyanne

(6,557 posts)
32. It also bears reporting that Shiva Ayyaduai is not Native American.
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 09:23 PM
Apr 2018

He was born in Mumbai, India. Looks like we are comparing apples and oranges.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
33. While Senator Warren might not be 100%
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 10:33 PM
Apr 2018

Indian you, sir, are a 100% UDA Grade A Asshole. Top of the list at the bottom of the barrel. 😈

JI7

(89,271 posts)
37. He use to be married to Fran Drescher and claimed he invented the Email
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:35 AM
Apr 2018

he was offered a job in India but it was withdrawn .

the guy has a questionable history in the work place.

he has a record of domestic abuse.

and while he is running as an independent he is a republican.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
39. Elizabeth Warren isn't an indian real or fake
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 04:26 AM
Apr 2018

she never claimed to be an indian, she's a Native American! Stupid idiot!

Response to Raine (Reply #39)

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