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BumRushDaShow

(129,491 posts)
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:39 AM May 2018

Trump Tells Macron the U.S. Will Withdraw From Iran Nuclear Deal

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON -- President Trump told President Emmanuel Macron of France on Tuesday morning that he plans to announce the withdrawal of the United States from the Iran nuclear deal, according to a person briefed on the conversation.

Mr. Trump's decision unravels the signature foreign policy achievement of his predecessor, Barack Obama, isolating the United States among its allies and leaving it at even greater odds with its adversaries in dealing with the Iranians.

The United States is preparing to reinstate all sanctions it had waived as part of the nuclear accord -- and impose additional economic penalties as well, the person said.

A second person familiar with negotiations to keep the 2015 accord in place said the talks collapsed over Mr. Trump's insistence that sharp limits be kept on Iran's nuclear fuel production after 2030. The deal currently lifts those limits.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/world/middleeast/trump-iran-nuclear-deal.html



Watch gas prices go through the roof.
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Trump Tells Macron the U.S. Will Withdraw From Iran Nuclear Deal (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 2018 OP
Yeah, Corgigal May 2018 #1
+1 sandensea May 2018 #47
Stupid motherfucker mountain grammy May 2018 #2
This is all about driving up oil prices YessirAtsaFact May 2018 #3
I had heard on the news this morning BumRushDaShow May 2018 #4
Trump has to keep his boss, Putin, happy. Botany May 2018 #10
You nailed it! democratisphere May 2018 #11
Why would ANY nation enter into ANY treaty or agreement with the United States EVER AGAIN? NurseJackie May 2018 #5
Exactly. This will hurt us in every way. But, then, a bunch of Americans think we should just Hoyt May 2018 #6
I think most of the world BumRushDaShow May 2018 #8
That's my experience MontanaMama May 2018 #12
They understand that the United States is irresponsible and cannot be trusted... NurseJackie May 2018 #13
Well BumRushDaShow May 2018 #28
wish we could rec comments. rurallib May 2018 #23
As i have said for a VERY long time, we are now the enemy of most. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #29
Yep Cosmocat May 2018 #32
Hey Trumpers - your measly tax cut is about to get swallowed up by a gas pump jpak May 2018 #7
drumpf is blowing up the Iran deal to help Russia with much higher oil prices. democratisphere May 2018 #9
Exactly, the motivation must be explicitly stated bucolic_frolic May 2018 #19
he is such a stupid racist heaven05 May 2018 #14
On the plus side, hopefully, U.S. sanctions alone weren't crippling Hortensis May 2018 #15
I agree. Iran already shifted to the Euro. I don't see who would follow us. kysrsoze May 2018 #17
Good. Fingers crossed. And that latter perhaps one more Hortensis May 2018 #18
The problem is the interconnected banking system and secondary sanctions karynnj May 2018 #31
:) Thanks for adding a touch of complexity to a too-simple Hortensis May 2018 #34
What was most striking about the "digging up dirt" is who they targeted karynnj May 2018 #35
Preemptive makes a lot of sense in this context. Hortensis May 2018 #43
Other pieces exist - including the Paris Climate Accord karynnj May 2018 #44
For now I'm proud of what some states and businesses Hortensis May 2018 #46
My guess is that Boeing was livid - it was a big order and I don't know karynnj May 2018 #48
There is positivity in this, as more people will turn to hybrids and electric cars. Over time... kysrsoze May 2018 #16
How long before Bibi starts a war with Iran and 45 has us join in? AJT May 2018 #20
Yep - our nutcase joins in with Israel's nutcase rurallib May 2018 #26
I'd give it about a few hours to a week nt maryellen99 May 2018 #38
I'm sure his buddies in Israeli Intelligence are happy elmac May 2018 #21
Much of the Israeli military and intelligence FAVORED keeping the deal nt karynnj May 2018 #45
The value of my car which gets 40 MPG on the freeway louis-t May 2018 #22
Thank goodness I'm a telecommuter. n/t eggplant May 2018 #24
We knew he was going to do this. It has "major Obama accomplishment" in the name. LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2018 #25
There goes the Nobel. Dawson Leery May 2018 #27
Who will ever want to do a treaty with us ever again if we can't adhere to ones we've already kimbutgar May 2018 #30
a point completely lost on the fuckwits Cosmocat May 2018 #33
Cadette Bonespurs and his cadre of Republican chickenhawks want to send our kids to war Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2018 #36
WW3 here we come nt maryellen99 May 2018 #37
_ LudwigPastorius May 2018 #39
He is TOTAL ASSWIPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! onecent May 2018 #40
He needs his distraction war. briv1016 May 2018 #41
I thought Trump was going to be this great peace president jes06c May 2018 #42

sandensea

(21,670 posts)
47. +1
Tue May 8, 2018, 05:25 PM
May 2018

I bet those two, Cheeto and Putin, brought this possibility up in 2015 or even earlier.

My hope is that our Intelligence community can find proof of that, and of course publish it.

If colluding with a foreign adversary to throw the U.S. into a sharp recession, just to benefit said adversary, isn't treason, I don't know what is.

BumRushDaShow

(129,491 posts)
4. I had heard on the news this morning
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:42 AM
May 2018

that oil had already been trading at $70/bbl before the stock market open.

Botany

(70,585 posts)
10. Trump has to keep his boss, Putin, happy.
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:49 AM
May 2018

Don't forget Obama was for it so Trump has to be against it.

This helps Russia, it helps the right wing in Israel and America, and a confrontation w/Iran
Trump w/his base and pulls attention away from Mueller's Trump/Russia investigation.

BTW it is a really good deal too. It was written by the best person in the world, Ernie Moniz,
@ understanding nuclear weapons and nuclear non=proliferation.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210589346



NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
5. Why would ANY nation enter into ANY treaty or agreement with the United States EVER AGAIN?
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:43 AM
May 2018

Nobody will EVER trust the United States... and I certainly cannot blame them.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Exactly. This will hurt us in every way. But, then, a bunch of Americans think we should just
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:45 AM
May 2018

isolate ourselves and say the heck with the rest of the world. I ain't one of those.

BumRushDaShow

(129,491 posts)
8. I think most of the world
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:48 AM
May 2018

is more educated about our American government than some of our own voters (or even elected officials ), so I expect that they know that "this too shall pass". They go through whiplash as it is within their own countries when there are party changes for their Prime Ministers. But what it will require is that they "gird their loins" and buckle up and try to make efforts to stabilize things as best they can because they can't count on us at this point.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
12. That's my experience
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:53 AM
May 2018

in traveling abroad. Folks I’ve talked to outside the country seem to know more about America and the workings of our government than a lot of Americans. Further, they understand that the US is a relatively young country and while this string of events is painful for us and painful for them to watch, many chalk it up to growing pains.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. They understand that the United States is irresponsible and cannot be trusted...
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:54 AM
May 2018

... once trust is gone, why bother? They would be foolish to "count on us" ever again.

BumRushDaShow

(129,491 posts)
28. Well
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:37 PM
May 2018

this country is made up of quite a few of "their people" and they have observed us over the couple centuries. They also saw the Obama's administration's actions after losing faith and trust after Shrub (after starting a war with someone who never attacked us). So IMHO, they know the deal. The issue is more of whether the people here are willing and able to reign the worst in.

To give a nod to astrology (for those who follow it), the U.S. is a "Cancer" (the crab) based on a "birth date" of July 4th, and is moody. But it is also a homebody and might snap at you one day but then almost overload you with generosity on another day (e.g., in terms of dealing with disasters - although whenever the GOP is in control, we can't even do that for our own disasters. )

rurallib

(62,448 posts)
23. wish we could rec comments.
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:27 PM
May 2018

The US now has such a schizoid personality going from irresponsible republicans to responsible dems one would wonder why would I trust this guy when the next guy will wreck it?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
29. As i have said for a VERY long time, we are now the enemy of most.
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:38 PM
May 2018

At a minimum, because of nose holders and others, we cant be trusted and must be seen as an enemy to the world.

Most of us arent, of course, but that doesnt matter right now.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
9. drumpf is blowing up the Iran deal to help Russia with much higher oil prices.
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:49 AM
May 2018

Your phony tax cuts just got erased at least 10 times over.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
14. he is such a stupid racist
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:54 AM
May 2018

if bush jr had done this accord with Iran, no mention. Obama set it up and followed through. This stupid POS will put everyone on this planet in danger because President Obama was/is light years ahead of this POSpotus in every criterion of political competence. And this reptugliKKKan POS hates Obama because he is an AA and is everything excellent in leadership skill. Fuck trump, I just hope I'm at 'ground zero'.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. On the plus side, hopefully, U.S. sanctions alone weren't crippling
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:55 AM
May 2018

before, Iran didn't sell or import from the U.S. before, and the EU and 100 other nations will no doubt be happy to take up the trade slack.

So, perhaps the other signator nations, England, France, Germany, Russia, China, Iran, and the EU, will decide to continue the deal without us?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Good. Fingers crossed. And that latter perhaps one more
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:01 PM
May 2018

thing for Republican voters to chew on. It's one thing to want to build a wall around America, another for the world to continue on without us.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
31. The problem is the interconnected banking system and secondary sanctions
Tue May 8, 2018, 01:00 PM
May 2018

Secondary sanctions are on foreign companies that do business with Iran. European companies that do business with the US face the possibility of sanctions against them if they also do business with Iran.

(Note that the same people who would happily sanction British, French etc companies that so business with Iran forget that when we HAD sanctions on Iran, Halliburton, under Dick Cheney created a shell company through which they did business with Iran! No they were never sanctioned. Wondering if this works for others, or just right wingers.)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. :) Thanks for adding a touch of complexity to a too-simple
Tue May 8, 2018, 01:17 PM
May 2018

picture. Including the "unofficial" part of the net.

Not exactly the same thing, but it made me think of the news that Trump people hired agents to dig up "dirt" on a couple of Obama administration officials who'd worked on the Iran agreement. Just imagine their surprise and confusion when none was found.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
35. What was most striking about the "digging up dirt" is who they targeted
Tue May 8, 2018, 01:28 PM
May 2018

The Obama aides were involved in getting public approval of the deal (Congress and the public), not being involved in negotiating - like Kerry, Moniz, Wendy Sherman Jake Sullivan ... Ben Rhodes is well known to Obama partisans who followed his administration, but not the other person.

Note this was done when Trump was in office. What is happening here.

My guess, both men are people good at publicizing information - including to millenials. This seems to have been a pre-emptive move to take out people who could be effective in communicating why Trump's action is poorly advised.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. Preemptive makes a lot of sense in this context.
Tue May 8, 2018, 02:43 PM
May 2018

Trump's in for a deluge of intelligent criticism and of course would want to both take these experts out and distract everyone he can, preferably with something Republican voters can understand and get excited about, Democratic corruption, better yet Crooked Hillary.

Of course, this is the last official piece standing of Obama's foreign policy legacy. I suspect someday 150 nations will want to erase Trump in favor of at least a symbolic Obamaism, though rebuilding genuine position beyond "symbolic" would be a different matter.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
44. Other pieces exist - including the Paris Climate Accord
Tue May 8, 2018, 03:39 PM
May 2018

Since Trump became President, the only two nations who didn't sign, Nicaragua and Syria, signed up. Trump says he is taking us out, but can't until 2020.

However, the rest of the world has continued on with the accord and many countries are exceeding their commitments. In the US, many states, cities and businesses are making commitments - though Trump is actively (and malevolently) working to try to make the US miss its target. However, the Paris Accord changed the market and their is more work and research to move in the right direction. It should be noted that the entire design - of countries making commitments was a US idea that enabled the world to get the agreement.

The statement of France, the UK and Germany on the Iran Deal makes clear that they are still committed and they are specifically committed to ensuring that Iran gets some economic relief. (I suspect that Russia and China - which were hard to get to put sanctions on Iran in the first place are likely to agree.) The real question is whether Trump will really get the Congress to sanction say - Airbus (which is European) if they get the contract that Boeing will likely have to drop.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. For now I'm proud of what some states and businesses
Tue May 8, 2018, 05:18 PM
May 2018

are doing to honor our nation's commitment to the climate accord, and desperate need to fight climate change. Thanks for the update on what the others in the Iran Deal are saying. You're way ahead of me in wondering if congress would sanction Airbus, but I am bemused that Boeing is so big it can just wave off billions in sales to Iraq.

Well, apparently this latest addition to our national disgrace/disaster is going to continue to play out over the rest of the year? Hope oil prices don't get too painful, but if they do, let it hit Republican farmers and travel plans this summer.

For sure they threaten ours. Before my husband gets too old, we were going to buy a small trailer and do a little touring and camping this summer, see some states we've never visited. Probably still will, but perhaps more camping and fishing for him, which he won't mind, reading and sightseeing for me, just fewer states. Have books, will travel. And kick back.


karynnj

(59,504 posts)
48. My guess is that Boeing was livid - it was a big order and I don't know
Tue May 8, 2018, 07:40 PM
May 2018

whether any or much of it was actually delivered.

The question is if the other allies stick together will Congress actually sanction French, German and English companies? In fact, that might be the way to fight this - no sanctioning allies.

kysrsoze

(6,023 posts)
16. There is positivity in this, as more people will turn to hybrids and electric cars. Over time...
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:56 AM
May 2018

the oil companies will lose. This is a stupid, short-term gas price hike and a dangerous move, and IMO it's what people need to experience coming up on the mid-terms. It make people that much more likely to want President Fuckface and the Republican-led Congress gone.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
21. I'm sure his buddies in Israeli Intelligence are happy
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:16 PM
May 2018

Now he's a russian and Israeli agent acting on their behalf.

25. We knew he was going to do this. It has "major Obama accomplishment" in the name.
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:28 PM
May 2018

From what I understand, this will cost big corporations billions of dollars in business. I bet they're glad they supported Donnie Two Scoops in the election.

On the other hand, he's keeping his word to the deplorables, who have no idea of what has just been done to them.

Keep working, Mueller. Trace Trump's money to its source and then indict his ass!

kimbutgar

(21,195 posts)
30. Who will ever want to do a treaty with us ever again if we can't adhere to ones we've already
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:45 PM
May 2018

Made.

I say let Twitler supporters go over to Iran and fight this war we’ll be in soon. Twitler saw bush get re elected with the iraq war debacle and he is doing this for his 2020 (yuck}re election bid.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,212 posts)
36. Cadette Bonespurs and his cadre of Republican chickenhawks want to send our kids to war
Tue May 8, 2018, 01:28 PM
May 2018

Oh and the "Hillary is a war monger" crowd can go fuck themselves

jes06c

(114 posts)
42. I thought Trump was going to be this great peace president
Tue May 8, 2018, 02:25 PM
May 2018

I wonder how the Clinton-is-more-likely-to-start-a-war crowd will explain this one.

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