Trump Tells Macron the U.S. Will Withdraw From Iran Nuclear Deal
Source: New York Times
WASHINGTON -- President Trump told President Emmanuel Macron of France on Tuesday morning that he plans to announce the withdrawal of the United States from the Iran nuclear deal, according to a person briefed on the conversation.
Mr. Trump's decision unravels the signature foreign policy achievement of his predecessor, Barack Obama, isolating the United States among its allies and leaving it at even greater odds with its adversaries in dealing with the Iranians.
The United States is preparing to reinstate all sanctions it had waived as part of the nuclear accord -- and impose additional economic penalties as well, the person said.
A second person familiar with negotiations to keep the 2015 accord in place said the talks collapsed over Mr. Trump's insistence that sharp limits be kept on Iran's nuclear fuel production after 2030. The deal currently lifts those limits.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/world/middleeast/trump-iran-nuclear-deal.html
Watch gas prices go through the roof.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)Gas prices baby. Russia loves ya.
I bet those two, Cheeto and Putin, brought this possibility up in 2015 or even earlier.
My hope is that our Intelligence community can find proof of that, and of course publish it.
If colluding with a foreign adversary to throw the U.S. into a sharp recession, just to benefit said adversary, isn't treason, I don't know what is.
mountain grammy
(26,655 posts)YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)As ordered by OrangeTurds boss, Putin.
BumRushDaShow
(129,491 posts)that oil had already been trading at $70/bbl before the stock market open.
Botany
(70,585 posts)Don't forget Obama was for it so Trump has to be against it.
This helps Russia, it helps the right wing in Israel and America, and a confrontation w/Iran
Trump w/his base and pulls attention away from Mueller's Trump/Russia investigation.
BTW it is a really good deal too. It was written by the best person in the world, Ernie Moniz,
@ understanding nuclear weapons and nuclear non=proliferation.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210589346
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Always about helping big daddy Putin!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Nobody will EVER trust the United States... and I certainly cannot blame them.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)isolate ourselves and say the heck with the rest of the world. I ain't one of those.
BumRushDaShow
(129,491 posts)is more educated about our American government than some of our own voters (or even elected officials ), so I expect that they know that "this too shall pass". They go through whiplash as it is within their own countries when there are party changes for their Prime Ministers. But what it will require is that they "gird their loins" and buckle up and try to make efforts to stabilize things as best they can because they can't count on us at this point.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)in traveling abroad. Folks Ive talked to outside the country seem to know more about America and the workings of our government than a lot of Americans. Further, they understand that the US is a relatively young country and while this string of events is painful for us and painful for them to watch, many chalk it up to growing pains.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... once trust is gone, why bother? They would be foolish to "count on us" ever again.
BumRushDaShow
(129,491 posts)this country is made up of quite a few of "their people" and they have observed us over the couple centuries. They also saw the Obama's administration's actions after losing faith and trust after Shrub (after starting a war with someone who never attacked us). So IMHO, they know the deal. The issue is more of whether the people here are willing and able to reign the worst in.
To give a nod to astrology (for those who follow it), the U.S. is a "Cancer" (the crab) based on a "birth date" of July 4th, and is moody. But it is also a homebody and might snap at you one day but then almost overload you with generosity on another day (e.g., in terms of dealing with disasters - although whenever the GOP is in control, we can't even do that for our own disasters. )
rurallib
(62,448 posts)The US now has such a schizoid personality going from irresponsible republicans to responsible dems one would wonder why would I trust this guy when the next guy will wreck it?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)At a minimum, because of nose holders and others, we cant be trusted and must be seen as an enemy to the world.
Most of us arent, of course, but that doesnt matter right now.
A concept completely lost on the fuckwit republican voters ...
jpak
(41,759 posts)FU
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Your phony tax cuts just got erased at least 10 times over.
bucolic_frolic
(43,295 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)if bush jr had done this accord with Iran, no mention. Obama set it up and followed through. This stupid POS will put everyone on this planet in danger because President Obama was/is light years ahead of this POSpotus in every criterion of political competence. And this reptugliKKKan POS hates Obama because he is an AA and is everything excellent in leadership skill. Fuck trump, I just hope I'm at 'ground zero'.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)before, Iran didn't sell or import from the U.S. before, and the EU and 100 other nations will no doubt be happy to take up the trade slack.
So, perhaps the other signator nations, England, France, Germany, Russia, China, Iran, and the EU, will decide to continue the deal without us?
kysrsoze
(6,023 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)thing for Republican voters to chew on. It's one thing to want to build a wall around America, another for the world to continue on without us.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Secondary sanctions are on foreign companies that do business with Iran. European companies that do business with the US face the possibility of sanctions against them if they also do business with Iran.
(Note that the same people who would happily sanction British, French etc companies that so business with Iran forget that when we HAD sanctions on Iran, Halliburton, under Dick Cheney created a shell company through which they did business with Iran! No they were never sanctioned. Wondering if this works for others, or just right wingers.)
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)picture. Including the "unofficial" part of the net.
Not exactly the same thing, but it made me think of the news that Trump people hired agents to dig up "dirt" on a couple of Obama administration officials who'd worked on the Iran agreement. Just imagine their surprise and confusion when none was found.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)The Obama aides were involved in getting public approval of the deal (Congress and the public), not being involved in negotiating - like Kerry, Moniz, Wendy Sherman Jake Sullivan ... Ben Rhodes is well known to Obama partisans who followed his administration, but not the other person.
Note this was done when Trump was in office. What is happening here.
My guess, both men are people good at publicizing information - including to millenials. This seems to have been a pre-emptive move to take out people who could be effective in communicating why Trump's action is poorly advised.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Trump's in for a deluge of intelligent criticism and of course would want to both take these experts out and distract everyone he can, preferably with something Republican voters can understand and get excited about, Democratic corruption, better yet Crooked Hillary.
Of course, this is the last official piece standing of Obama's foreign policy legacy. I suspect someday 150 nations will want to erase Trump in favor of at least a symbolic Obamaism, though rebuilding genuine position beyond "symbolic" would be a different matter.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Since Trump became President, the only two nations who didn't sign, Nicaragua and Syria, signed up. Trump says he is taking us out, but can't until 2020.
However, the rest of the world has continued on with the accord and many countries are exceeding their commitments. In the US, many states, cities and businesses are making commitments - though Trump is actively (and malevolently) working to try to make the US miss its target. However, the Paris Accord changed the market and their is more work and research to move in the right direction. It should be noted that the entire design - of countries making commitments was a US idea that enabled the world to get the agreement.
The statement of France, the UK and Germany on the Iran Deal makes clear that they are still committed and they are specifically committed to ensuring that Iran gets some economic relief. (I suspect that Russia and China - which were hard to get to put sanctions on Iran in the first place are likely to agree.) The real question is whether Trump will really get the Congress to sanction say - Airbus (which is European) if they get the contract that Boeing will likely have to drop.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)are doing to honor our nation's commitment to the climate accord, and desperate need to fight climate change. Thanks for the update on what the others in the Iran Deal are saying. You're way ahead of me in wondering if congress would sanction Airbus, but I am bemused that Boeing is so big it can just wave off billions in sales to Iraq.
Well, apparently this latest addition to our national disgrace/disaster is going to continue to play out over the rest of the year? Hope oil prices don't get too painful, but if they do, let it hit Republican farmers and travel plans this summer.
For sure they threaten ours. Before my husband gets too old, we were going to buy a small trailer and do a little touring and camping this summer, see some states we've never visited. Probably still will, but perhaps more camping and fishing for him, which he won't mind, reading and sightseeing for me, just fewer states. Have books, will travel. And kick back.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)whether any or much of it was actually delivered.
The question is if the other allies stick together will Congress actually sanction French, German and English companies? In fact, that might be the way to fight this - no sanctioning allies.
kysrsoze
(6,023 posts)the oil companies will lose. This is a stupid, short-term gas price hike and a dangerous move, and IMO it's what people need to experience coming up on the mid-terms. It make people that much more likely to want President Fuckface and the Republican-led Congress gone.
AJT
(5,240 posts)rurallib
(62,448 posts)who wants a war in the worst way.
maryellen99
(3,789 posts)Depends on when mueller indicts jr and Kushner.
elmac
(4,642 posts)Now he's a russian and Israeli agent acting on their behalf.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)louis-t
(23,297 posts)just went up. Yay me.
eggplant
(3,913 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,595 posts)From what I understand, this will cost big corporations billions of dollars in business. I bet they're glad they supported Donnie Two Scoops in the election.
On the other hand, he's keeping his word to the deplorables, who have no idea of what has just been done to them.
Keep working, Mueller. Trace Trump's money to its source and then indict his ass!
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)kimbutgar
(21,195 posts)Made.
I say let Twitler supporters go over to Iran and fight this war well be in soon. Twitler saw bush get re elected with the iraq war debacle and he is doing this for his 2020 (yuck}re election bid.
Cosmocat
(14,573 posts)who support 45 and the GOP ...
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,212 posts)Oh and the "Hillary is a war monger" crowd can go fuck themselves
maryellen99
(3,789 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,176 posts)onecent
(6,096 posts)briv1016
(1,570 posts)North Korea fell through so he's moving on.
jes06c
(114 posts)I wonder how the Clinton-is-more-likely-to-start-a-war crowd will explain this one.