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The Hitman

(562 posts)
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:53 PM May 2018

Reuters poll shows Republicans leading generic ballot for first time

Source: The Hill

Republicans hold a slim lead over Democrats in a generic ballot among registered voters, a new Reuters poll found, marking the first time the survey showed the GOP ahead in this election cycle.

The poll showed 38.1 percent of registered voters said they would vote for a Republican candidate if midterm elections were held today, compared to just under 37 percent who said they’d vote for a Democrat.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/388832-reuters-poll-shows-republicans-leading-generic-ballot-for-first-time



Take nothing for granted. Fight for every vote. This might be our last free election. Make a plan *today* to show up on November 6 or get an absentee ballot in beforehand.

This one matters even more than 2016.
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Reuters poll shows Republicans leading generic ballot for first time (Original Post) The Hitman May 2018 OP
Get ready for the fix. RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #1
Vote. The Hitman May 2018 #5
I will and have as I have for every election since 1994. RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #10
Agreed on the fight for votes part. Dawson Leery May 2018 #2
Vote. The Hitman May 2018 #6
Do you think you are saying something anyone here doesn't know? enough May 2018 #16
Vote...I agree with the sentiment of your suggestion pecosbob May 2018 #3
Vote. We thought the same in 2016. The Hitman May 2018 #9
I call bullshit vercetti2021 May 2018 #4
Vote. Also, Stars suuuuuuuuuuuck ;) The Hitman May 2018 #7
I am no worries lol vercetti2021 May 2018 #8
:) The Hitman May 2018 #12
Lmao vercetti2021 May 2018 #14
As we used to say in Chicago, in old days, quartz007 May 2018 #11
Expect 38-39% "baked in" support for GOP slumcamper May 2018 #13
I agree, but I think that the biggest problem facing our leadership The Hitman May 2018 #15
Saw a news article that said 78% of democratic voters want a more progressive agenda. rwsanders May 2018 #21
one suspects current leadership is incapable of bold moves and bold actions. msongs May 2018 #25
Independents. NOMOGOP May 2018 #31
The result of such passive resistance to Trump. Doodley May 2018 #17
I think "Republicans winning" is the wrong conclusion to draw from this poll Dopers_Greed May 2018 #18
Also I don't buy the generic ballot garbage still_one May 2018 #20
It is certainly misleading in that individual races are what really matter. n/t PoliticAverse May 2018 #27
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one May 2018 #33
This is just an online poll with volunteer responders. No statistical probability can be calculated pnwmom May 2018 #19
538 Gave it an A- rating The Hitman May 2018 #22
538 also MFM008 May 2018 #36
To be fair, she was the actual winner Dopers_Greed May 2018 #38
538 had a better read on the 2016 election than all of the other pundits and aggregators. cemaphonic May 2018 #39
That statement is misleading as it implies this is just an Internet poll w/self-selected respondants PoliticAverse May 2018 #26
Non probability methods are still experimental and "margin of error" cannot be calculated. pnwmom May 2018 #29
This is sickening. Duppers May 2018 #23
A Lot of Germans Supported Hitler. Racism, Sexism and Xenophobia Are the New Normal TomCADem May 2018 #24
Bullshit MFM008 May 2018 #28
here is a link to play with the data Exotica May 2018 #30
Wow, a little over a 1% spread. Hugin May 2018 #32
There are reasons bucolic_frolic May 2018 #34
I truly do not believe this poll is reflective of voting reality. Alethia Merritt May 2018 #35
Thanks for that! lagomorph777 May 2018 #41
Yet there is this bronxiteforever May 2018 #37
Oh shit. lagomorph777 May 2018 #40
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
1. Get ready for the fix.
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:59 PM
May 2018

They want to prepare you for waking up on November 7th and finding the Republicans have somehow won more.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
10. I will and have as I have for every election since 1994.
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:05 PM
May 2018

I have no faith the vote will not be rigged in many places across the nation as it most certainly was in 2016.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
2. Agreed on the fight for votes part.
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:00 PM
May 2018

With that said, these polls showing a GOP lead have 22-26 percent undecided.

That is high and unlikely.

enough

(13,259 posts)
16. Do you think you are saying something anyone here doesn't know?
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:21 PM
May 2018

I have voted in every election, general or primary, since 1962, no matter where I lived at the time, inside the U.S. or abroad. You repeating this doesn’t seem that helpful.

pecosbob

(7,538 posts)
3. Vote...I agree with the sentiment of your suggestion
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:00 PM
May 2018

but I gotta call horseshit on the poll results. I don't believe that even for a minute.

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
13. Expect 38-39% "baked in" support for GOP
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:13 PM
May 2018

The deplorable base.

The "baked in" proportion of the Democratic Party base is roughly equal.

The remainder (of REGISTERED voters) is up for grabs in the marketplace of ideas. Which ideas will grab ahold of public attention?

The fact that Democrats aren't substantially ahead speaks in part to the paucity of ideas and inability of party leaders to break through the noise that clutters the moment.

We've got less that 180 days to make bold moves as a party.

Crickets.

The Hitman

(562 posts)
15. I agree, but I think that the biggest problem facing our leadership
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:19 PM
May 2018

Is the inability to break into the news cycle as its all Trump shock and awe, all the time.

This is why we lost in 2016, despite winning more votes.

As soon as we can figure this out, it's lights out for GOP. I think it's time to be bold and try new ideas.

rwsanders

(2,603 posts)
21. Saw a news article that said 78% of democratic voters want a more progressive agenda.
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:46 PM
May 2018

The 22% is probably a big portion of that "baked in" portion.
But it doesn't seem a more progressive agenda is going to be part of 2018 agenda. So it will be interesting to see how the cards fall.

msongs

(67,406 posts)
25. one suspects current leadership is incapable of bold moves and bold actions.
Wed May 23, 2018, 12:00 AM
May 2018

with age comes wisdom and conservative action (conservative like overly cautious, not righ wingers)

 

NOMOGOP

(87 posts)
31. Independents.
Wed May 23, 2018, 02:49 AM
May 2018

Independents are those who depend on campaign commercials to figure out who was best candidate. Was waiting for car to be finished at repair place other day. Sat next to a woman who worked in a food bank and asked who she would support. I asked her if she was aware what the Republikkkans were trying to do w/food stamps and she said she was and was worried greatly about it. I then asked the obvious question why would you consider voting Republikkkan? She said, "I vote for the best person". This is an awfully dumb country. Probably too dumb to expect being able to manage self gov't.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
18. I think "Republicans winning" is the wrong conclusion to draw from this poll
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:32 PM
May 2018

Especially with so many undecideds.

But I am still worried about the midterms. I can see the Repugs pulling out a miracle (or a fix) and way overperforming again.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
19. This is just an online poll with volunteer responders. No statistical probability can be calculated
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:42 PM
May 2018

on a poll like this.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
39. 538 had a better read on the 2016 election than all of the other pundits and aggregators.
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:38 PM
May 2018

Yes, they saw Clinton as the probable winner, but they were only giving her a 66% chance of winning, instead of the +90% odds that some others were predicting. They also hedged their bets pretty heavily running up to the election, with several articles running up to the election, including one that outlined the scenario that actually happened (polling weakness in one state ended up being reflected in several nearby states).

They're statisticians, not fortune tellers - A missed prediction, even a high-profile one like a Presidential election doesn't really invalidate their model.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
26. That statement is misleading as it implies this is just an Internet poll w/self-selected respondants
Wed May 23, 2018, 12:46 AM
May 2018

This poll is more scientific than that. See: the "About" at http://polling.reuters.com

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
29. Non probability methods are still experimental and "margin of error" cannot be calculated.
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:03 AM
May 2018
https://www.aapor.org/Education-Resources/Election-Polling-Resources/Sampling-Methods-for-Political-Polling.aspx

The major advantage of a probability-based sampling is that we can calculate how well the findings from the sample represent the total population. That is, we can calculate the margin of sampling error, which measures how much our estimates vary based on the fact we’re only measuring a sample of the population and not every member of the population. This ability to estimate, within a specified range, the accuracy of survey findings has made probability-based sampling the cornerstone of modern survey research.

Non-probability sampling methods do not share this feature that everyone in a population has a chance of being selected and researchers know exactly what that chance is. Participants are typically not selected at random to be included in the sample but rather come to be included by other means, for instance because they volunteer, a person’s chance of being in the sample is unknown. For example, in an opt-in sample a person accepts an invitation to complete a survey that is offered to all visitors to a website. The chance of that person visiting that website and then choosing to participate in the survey cannot be known. One serious consequence is that only certain types of people may choose to opt into the survey and they may be different than those who do not in ways that could potentially bias the final results.

With non-probability samples is there is no simple way to calculate the “margin of error;” instead, estimates of the likely error must be based on a statistical models. As a result, AAPOR has cautioned that it may be misleading to report a margin of sampling error for surveys based on non-probability samples.

Nonresponse to polls is a big factor affecting the accuracy of poll results. In a probability sample, the respondents can be thought of as “self-selecting” into the sample. To the extent that the respondents and non-respondents differ systematically on the survey variables—for example, which candidate they support in an upcoming election--nonresponse can bias the poll results, and that is true even if the initial sample was a probability sample. In a similar way, the accuracy of non-probability samples, such as opt-in samples, can be affected by self-selection. In both types of sampling, if the people who participate in the poll are different from those who do not, results can be biased because of these differences.




http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/02/q-a-online-nonprobability-polls/

A number of studies over the past 15 or so years have indicated that nonprobability surveys do not accurately measure public opinion. Is that still true?

This study was a first step for us in trying to address that, and I would not say that we have a firm answer yet. One of the samples performed quite well and that is really intriguing to us. We also are open to the possibility that, with the right advanced statistical modeling and weighting, some of these online samples might support fairly accurate and reliable estimates about public opinion.

It’s also important to consider accuracy in light of one’s goals for the research. If the goal is to get a general sense of how opinion is shaped, some nonprobability samples may be accurate enough – especially given their very low cost. If one needs very precise estimates, then our results suggest the field is not there yet.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
24. A Lot of Germans Supported Hitler. Racism, Sexism and Xenophobia Are the New Normal
Tue May 22, 2018, 11:12 PM
May 2018

Plus, if you live in a Fox News/Sinclair News world, Trump is the greatest President ever.

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
28. Bullshit
Wed May 23, 2018, 12:57 AM
May 2018

Total crap.
I didnt believe the polls in 16
And i dont now.
Im voting and they can kiss.my. ass.

Hugin

(33,144 posts)
32. Wow, a little over a 1% spread.
Wed May 23, 2018, 03:38 AM
May 2018

Well within any reasonable margin of error.

They are really desperate for a horse race, if they are waving flags like this around.

bucolic_frolic

(43,162 posts)
34. There are reasons
Wed May 23, 2018, 05:41 AM
May 2018

Democratic platform gets no visibility
The public is tired of scandal
Jobs are plentiful if average in quality
Gas is still affordable

We have our base
We know how to resist
Moralizing about Trump will not win over the middle ground
We need decisive ideas and sound bites that independents can grasp onto

Trump is governing in a Machiavellian manner
Tweets get too much attention
The public is not tuned to CNN or MSNBC every day or hour - some of them never!
Activism is our edge, if we have one - use it

Alethia Merritt

(147 posts)
35. I truly do not believe this poll is reflective of voting reality.
Wed May 23, 2018, 05:49 AM
May 2018

And results from special elections and latest primaries do not indicate this trend.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
41. Thanks for that!
Wed May 23, 2018, 02:05 PM
May 2018

I feel less sick now.

If we can keep the elections from worse tampering, there is still hope.

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