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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 05:27 PM Jun 2018

'But They Didn't Prosecute Hillary Clinton': Sailor Pardoned by Trump Plans to Sue Obama, Comey

Source: Law & Crime




by Alberto Luperon | 5:17 pm, June 4th, 2018

Ex-Navy sailor Kristian Saucier says it was unfair to prosecute him for taking classified parts of a submarine. After all, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton didn’t get charged for her emails. Saucier announced his upcoming lawsuit over the allegedly unfair treatment in an interview with Fox News on Monday. Barack Obama was president, and James Comey was FBI Director when this former sailor pleaded guilty in 2016. They are going to be among the defendants in the complaint, said attorney Ronald Daigle.

“They interpreted the law in my case to say it was criminal, but they didn’t prosecute Hillary Clinton,” said Saucier, who was pardoned last March by President Donald Trump. “Hillary is still walking free. Two guys on my ship did the same thing and weren’t treated as criminals. We want them to correct the wrong.”

Saucier admittedly took the pictures in 2009 while at the USS Alexandria, stations in Groton, Connecticut. He just wanted service mementos to show his family, he said. In a press statement, the DOJ said Saucier took pictures on three separate occasions. They said taking the photos was illegal because they showed classified material, including the reactor head configuration, and propulsion system. Prosecutors accused him of destroying a laptop computer, personal camera, and the camera’s memory card to interfere with the ensuing criminal probe. He ended up pleading guilty to one count of unauthorized possession and retention of national defense information on May 27, 2016. The sentence was a year behind bars, three years of supervised release conditioned upon six months house arrest, and 100 hours of community service, the DOJ said. But Saucier said the DOJ stopped over the boundaries and made an example of him because of the controversy over the Clinton email investigation.

“My case was usually something handled by military courts,” he told Fox. “They used me as an example because of Hillary Clinton.”

Read more: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/but-they-didnt-prosecute-hillary-clinton-sailor-pardoned-by-trump-plans-to-sue-obama-comey/

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'But They Didn't Prosecute Hillary Clinton': Sailor Pardoned by Trump Plans to Sue Obama, Comey (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2018 OP
I bet he promised Trump he would do this NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #1
I hope he does try to sue them Norbert Jun 2018 #39
Wonder who HIS lawyer is! elleng Jun 2018 #2
Let me guess - DURHAM D Jun 2018 #5
Does he have a lawyer? cannabis_flower Jun 2018 #36
Dunno. elleng Jun 2018 #42
Orly Taitz NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #43
"his upcoming lawsuit" will have to be funded by the Mercers since it's frivolous. PSPS Jun 2018 #3
Any lawyer who would make this argument should be disbarred HopeAgain Jun 2018 #4
I bet they... Mike Nelson Jun 2018 #6
Hillary did not videohead5 Jun 2018 #7
We know why he was pardoned now. Solly Mack Jun 2018 #8
Yep. This is the best example of "weaponized stupidity" that I think I've ever seen. Jedi Guy Jun 2018 #11
So, the 'go to' argument now is 'Hillary's fault'? louis-t Jun 2018 #9
No... JHB Jun 2018 #27
Dumbass. BHDem53 Jun 2018 #10
Okay, let's correct the wrong jmowreader Jun 2018 #12
I don't think a pardon can be revoked. clementine613 Jun 2018 #40
Laurence Tribe seems to think they can be jmowreader Jun 2018 #41
This lawsuit is a really stupid idea Gothmog Jun 2018 #13
I hope the attorneys he seeks tell him to go screw himself and Ilsa Jun 2018 #14
What lawyer would be dumb enough to take that case jb5150 Jun 2018 #15
rudy types pangaia Jun 2018 #18
Oh god I just saw that... Bite my ass.... pangaia Jun 2018 #16
You plead guilty you laughable moran jpak Jun 2018 #17
He took a plea-bargain if I'm reading that correctly FakeNoose Jun 2018 #25
He still pleaded guilty. OilemFirchen Jun 2018 #31
Pardoned by Trump . . . Russian Asset? n/t Strelnikov_ Jun 2018 #19
Sounds Like a Future Repuke Candidate to Me! DoctorJoJo Jun 2018 #20
I predict that this sailor will die old stupid and broke. nt Javaman Jun 2018 #21
He'll run for Congress and then become head of the NRA. mountain grammy Jun 2018 #22
And that will go precisely paleotn Jun 2018 #23
What a fool Firestorm49 Jun 2018 #24
Useless idiot. He will get some $ and face time on Fox News/pundit shows, and trotted out at rallies Freethinker65 Jun 2018 #26
You mean Not Joe Not the Plumber... LuvLoogie Jun 2018 #28
How the hell is angrychair Jun 2018 #29
"Two guys on my ship did the same thing..." keithbvadu2 Jun 2018 #30
Intent. Intent. Intent. unblock Jun 2018 #32
Maybe.. cannabis_flower Jun 2018 #37
Trump has been pardoning some real winners IronLionZion Jun 2018 #33
I served in the Navy, and I can tell you jb5150 Jun 2018 #34
Harlow v. Fitzgerald: 457 U.S. 800 (1982) struggle4progress Jun 2018 #35
"He just wanted service mementos to show his family" Hmmm, very interesting. YOHABLO Jun 2018 #38
What a load of crock dreamland Jun 2018 #44
Dead on arrival. Grins Jun 2018 #45

Norbert

(6,040 posts)
39. I hope he does try to sue them
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 10:17 PM
Jun 2018

I'd just love to see the damn fool separate himself from much of his money.

Mike Nelson

(9,960 posts)
6. I bet they...
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 05:38 PM
Jun 2018

… would have handled this differently if he hadn't reacted in such and angry and destructive manner.

videohead5

(2,178 posts)
7. Hillary did not
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 05:41 PM
Jun 2018

E-mail those unmarked classified e-mails to herself.the State Department is more to blame.Hillary never did throw the people at the State Department under the bus and she could have.

louis-t

(23,295 posts)
9. So, the 'go to' argument now is 'Hillary's fault'?
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jun 2018

These people all plead guilty, admit their crime (like D'Sousa) and then claim they were treated unfairly? Welcome to drumpfs America.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
27. No...
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:18 PM
Jun 2018

..."It's all Hillary's fault" has been the go-to argument for formers since, oh, 2015. Or maybe 1992,depending on how you measure it.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
12. Okay, let's correct the wrong
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jun 2018

Let's revoke Saucier's pardon, charge the "two guys on (his) ship (who) did the same thing" and throw Trump in prison for overstepping his bounds.

Submarine service is like Fight Club: the first two rules are "you do not talk about this." And the third rule is, "you do not take pictures inside a submarine."

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
14. I hope the attorneys he seeks tell him to go screw himself and
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 05:58 PM
Jun 2018

Donald trump while he's at it. I hope those attorneys have sailors aboard subs.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
25. He took a plea-bargain if I'm reading that correctly
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:08 PM
Jun 2018

They could have gotten him on a lot more than one offense. Now he's also snitched on the other 2 guys.
What a jerk!

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
31. He still pleaded guilty.
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 08:08 PM
Jun 2018

And, by accepting a pardon which does not assert his innocence, he has effectively pleaded guilty a second time.

Freethinker65

(10,024 posts)
26. Useless idiot. He will get some $ and face time on Fox News/pundit shows, and trotted out at rallies
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:16 PM
Jun 2018

He better act quick to make his money like George Zimmerman and Joe the "Plumber".

angrychair

(8,702 posts)
29. How the hell is
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:48 PM
Jun 2018

“Its not fair” a lawsuit?!?

If everyone filed a lawsuit every time someone had a perceived disparate treatment under the law, we would need a lot more lawyers.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
30. "Two guys on my ship did the same thing..."
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:54 PM
Jun 2018

“Two guys on my ship did the same thing..."

Time to testify.

unblock

(52,257 posts)
32. Intent. Intent. Intent.
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 08:12 PM
Jun 2018

There was no case against Hillary because she clearly did not have intent to do anything harmful or damaging to national security. There was no evidence she knew any information in the server was it should have been classified.

This sailor, on the other hand, took pictures of the inner workings of a nuclear submarine. I guarantee there is absolutely no way he did not know those pictures were not just classified but highly classified. He wouldn't even have access to that part of the boat if he didn't know that.

He absolutely knew what he was doing was illegal.

Huge difference.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
37. Maybe..
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 09:46 PM
Jun 2018

His intent was to impress girls or sumpthin' but it's still illegal and he knew it was illegal. Maybe he's like Howard Wolowitz and can't help taking a few pictures to show girls back home.




Still illegal and he knew it.

IronLionZion

(45,462 posts)
33. Trump has been pardoning some real winners
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 08:34 PM
Jun 2018

glad he's correcting these terrible injustices of our legal system.

What an asshole. Trump will be taken away in handcuffs before Hillary, Obama, or Comey

jb5150

(1,178 posts)
34. I served in the Navy, and I can tell you
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 08:48 PM
Jun 2018

that you have lots of training on what you can, and cannot do, and I expect that training is doubly drummed into you while serving on a submarine that is chock full of sensitive equipment. On my ship even the menu of what was being served in the ship's mess (dining hall) that day was considered classified. Why, I don't know, but in the military you learn not to ask questions like that.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
35. Harlow v. Fitzgerald: 457 U.S. 800 (1982)
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 08:52 PM
Jun 2018

JUSTICE POWELL delivered the opinion of the Court ...

... our decisions consistently have held that government officials are entitled to some form of immunity from suits for damages. As recognized at common law, public officers require this protection to shield them from undue interference with their duties and from potentially disabling threats of liability.

Our decisions have recognized immunity defenses of two kinds. For officials whose special functions or constitutional status requires complete protection from suit, we have recognized the defense of "absolute immunity" ... Our decisions also have extended absolute immunity to certain officials of the Executive Branch. These include prosecutors and similar officials .. executive officers engaged in adjudicative functions .. and the President of the United States ...

For executive officials in general, however, our cases make plain that qualified immunity represents the norm ...

Insubstantial lawsuits can be quickly terminated by federal courts alert to the possibilities of artful pleading. Unless the complaint states a compensable claim for relief .. it should not survive a motion to dismiss. Moreover .. damages suits concerning constitutional violations need not proceed to trial, but can be terminated on a properly supported motion for summary judgment based on the defense of immunity ... In responding to such a motion, plaintiffs may not play dog in the manger; and firm application of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure will ensure that federal officials are not harassed by frivolous lawsuits ...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/457/800

dreamland

(964 posts)
44. What a load of crock
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 08:43 AM
Jun 2018

I'll bet his intentions was to sell his pictures but the DOJ played interference. Now we have a pResident who will let him walk because "her emails". I hope he loses all his money going to court. He sounds like a Don con groupie.

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