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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 11:54 AM Jun 2018

Israeli, American Jews deeply divided on Trump: poll

Source: The Hill




BY JULIA MANCHESTER - 06/10/18

Israeli and American Jews are deeply divided on issues related to President Trump, according to a new poll from the American Jewish Committee (AJC).

More than three-quarters (77 percent) of Israeli Jews surveyed said they approved of U.S.-Israeli relations under Trump, while only 34 percent of American Jews said they felt the same way.

Over half — 57 percent — of American Jews said they disapproved of Trump's handling of U.S.-Israeli relations, while just 10 percent of Israeli Jews said the same.

The poll also revealed a significant split between Israeli and U.S. Jews on the U.S. embassy's move to Jerusalem.1:23 AM EDT

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/international/391550-israelis-american-jews-deeply-divided-on-trump-poll

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Israeli, American Jews deeply divided on Trump: poll (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2018 OP
In my view atreides1 Jun 2018 #1
It's like one of the endings for a personal narrative essay I received this year. theaocp Jun 2018 #3
Israel doesn't want us destroyed, because their economy would immediately die. lark Jun 2018 #6
israel spends 15 billion per year for the military Mosby Jun 2018 #14
The other poster...as usual, left out pertinent facts and exaggerated things. Xolodno Jun 2018 #15
really? Mosby Jun 2018 #16
"Looking west, you have that psycho assad, along with Iran shooting rockets and sending in the..." Xolodno Jun 2018 #17
everythin in my post was factual Mosby Jun 2018 #18
Sure it was... Xolodno Jun 2018 #20
Feel free to cite the flaws leftynyc Jun 2018 #25
Sorry, do you mean Hezbollah has 100k "rocks" or "rockets"? moriah Jun 2018 #28
I edited, thx Mosby Jun 2018 #30
Good to know. Thnx. zentrum Jun 2018 #2
Good to know that the US Jews are awake and aware. Not that I was in real doubt. bitterross Jun 2018 #4
Well, what's not to like, from their standpoint? malthaussen Jun 2018 #5
We (Jews) had better get our heads together! elleng Jun 2018 #7
Trump's approval is at 32% among Hispanics and he's been relentlessly bashing them since 6/15/15 DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2018 #11
That's strange but I believe it. A FL Cuban-Amer. relative appalachiablue Jun 2018 #19
Well - Israelis love the Likud...a party whose morality is on par with the orangefuck. Lucky Luciano Jun 2018 #8
Well, look at that. Jews aren't monolith! Behind the Aegis Jun 2018 #9
I think most people knew there was a huge gap between American Jews and Israeli Jews. nt Lucky Luciano Jun 2018 #10
LOL! Behind the Aegis Jun 2018 #13
Really? I've only lived in nyc and LA, so I may be naive. Lucky Luciano Jun 2018 #21
Call it naive if you wish. Behind the Aegis Jun 2018 #23
Israel is not monolith (I even mentioned Rabin). Lucky Luciano Jun 2018 #24
Let me echo the same. Purple Mountain Maje Jun 2018 #26
Let's add Hungary to the list of awful. Lucky Luciano Jun 2018 #27
34% is about the level of support any GOP president would get from the Jewish community. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2018 #12
not surprising Takket Jun 2018 #22
There are many American Jews who are not happy with trump or Bibi Gothmog Jun 2018 #29

theaocp

(4,245 posts)
3. It's like one of the endings for a personal narrative essay I received this year.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:46 PM
Jun 2018

"The lesson I learned (from receiving a Christmas gift) is that my mom and dad will get me whatever I want."

Israel is a spoiled child and needs to be grounded. Unlikely with 45 in charge, but still.

lark

(23,158 posts)
6. Israel doesn't want us destroyed, because their economy would immediately die.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 01:13 PM
Jun 2018

We are their charity, we fund all their health care and all their military. Of course, they don't care if we have a drop of $ left once we kill our nation in their favor. Looks like Israelis's are almost as murderous as their leaders, despite what many here claim, since a majority like the evil assholes like little murderer and orange assface. Sad! I thought the people of Israel were better than this, but the #'s show otherwise. It's not just bad leaders. At least in America, a majority of us hate our murderous asshole in chief.

Mosby

(16,363 posts)
14. israel spends 15 billion per year for the military
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:47 PM
Jun 2018

And 3 billion comes from the US. All that money is spent on US weapon systems.

Israel has legitimate security concerns on all their borders so it's unsurprising that many on the left, center, and right share similar opinions about security.

Xolodno

(6,401 posts)
15. The other poster...as usual, left out pertinent facts and exaggerated things.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 06:21 PM
Jun 2018

1. Israel is a know "unofficial" nuclear power. They have the Samson Initiative, which in the case should the Israeli State fall to Arab/Persian enemies, they turn the Mid-East into glass. That alone has been enough of a factor to stop any direct war. You could say, it's why their enemies pursue the paths they do.

2. Israel is not surrounded by enemies. They have peace treaties with both Egypt and Jordan. Lebanon as a nation hasn't been much of a direct actor, it's largely regulated to Hezbollah. You could even say that Israel created that problem much like did with Hamas. So that leaves a very small border where enemies could attack...and one of them is actually Israeli occupied Syrian Territory.

Again, he's making things worse for the cause rather than help it.

Mosby

(16,363 posts)
16. really?
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 06:53 PM
Jun 2018

Last edited Mon Jun 11, 2018, 12:56 PM - Edit history (1)

Hamas attacks them from the south, maybe you heard about the violence going on the last few weeks.

Hezbollah in the north controls southern Lebanon and continues try to kidnap Israeli soldiers. They have kidnapped several in the past. They claim that they have more than 100,000 rockets aimed at Israel.

Looking east, you have that psycho Assad, along with Iran shooting rockets into Israel and sending in the occasional Iranian drone.

As for Jordan, they are experiencing massive demonstration in the past week, and there are concerns that the Hashemite regime may fail.

Edit - spelling

Xolodno

(6,401 posts)
17. "Looking west, you have that psycho assad, along with Iran shooting rockets and sending in the..."
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 07:00 PM
Jun 2018

The west of Israel is bordered by the Mediterranean Sea....and that was the least stupid part of your post. I'll leave it there and won't bother responding to the rest.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
25. Feel free to cite the flaws
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 07:47 AM
Jun 2018

Instead of just being snarky because I don't see anything false in that post other than the east/west thing. Go ahead and tell all of us how Israel is not being barraged by hamas to the west, Lebanon from the north (hezbollah via iran) and Syria from the east (both al assad and isis).

moriah

(8,311 posts)
28. Sorry, do you mean Hezbollah has 100k "rocks" or "rockets"?
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 11:52 AM
Jun 2018

Makes a pretty significant difference as to the threat level.

Edit: I'm presuming it was a typo, we all make them. Just saying unfortunate typo for context, given the concerns about aiming just rocks, not rockets, allegedly geting overreactions.

Mosby

(16,363 posts)
30. I edited, thx
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:59 AM
Jun 2018

An Iranian general had this to say about Lebanon.

IRGC General: With 74 Seats in Parliament, Hezbollah has Made Lebanon a “Resistance State”

A powerful Iranian general said that Hezbollah, which with its allies controls 74 seats in parliament after last month’s vote, has turned Lebanon into a “Resistance state,” Iran’s semi-official Mehr News reported Tuesday.

Gen. Qassem Soleimani, the commander of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)- Qods Force, said, “Hezbollah for the first time won 74 seats out of 128 Lebanese parliamentary seats, thus it has transformed into a Lebanese Resistance state from a Lebanese Resistance political party, and this is a great victory.”

“Lebanon’s recent election was a referendum. The election came at a time when everybody was accusing Hezbollah of interfering in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen and the region as a whole,” the general added.

Despite Hezbollah transforming Lebanon into a “Resistance state,” Soleimanei denied that Hezbollah was engaged in terrorism, describing the group as “the nicest and most decent political movement.”

http://www.thetower.org/6347-irgc-general-with-74-seats-in-parliament-hezbollah-has-made-lebanon-a-resistance-state/

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
4. Good to know that the US Jews are awake and aware. Not that I was in real doubt.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:50 PM
Jun 2018

Blindly siding with Trump and Bibi all the time is not wise. They aren't a cult like the evangelicals.

malthaussen

(17,217 posts)
5. Well, what's not to like, from their standpoint?
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:54 PM
Jun 2018

The government seems unified in standing behind Israel, right reason, or none. They have no interest in his relations domestically or with the rest of the world.

-- Mal

appalachiablue

(41,177 posts)
19. That's strange but I believe it. A FL Cuban-Amer. relative
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 07:23 PM
Jun 2018

is a Republican, just cuz. I know south Asians who are busy with life and jobs yet think T. is ok. Just before the election, an Indian friend mentioned he told that to his brother who said, 'are you crazy?'

Lucky Luciano

(11,260 posts)
8. Well - Israelis love the Likud...a party whose morality is on par with the orangefuck.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 01:44 PM
Jun 2018

American Jews on average have far higher morality.

Behind the Aegis

(53,991 posts)
9. Well, look at that. Jews aren't monolith!
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 03:54 PM
Jun 2018

Of course, some of the comments here are just ignorant because of course Israelis are going to respond to a poll about Israel in regards to their own country. Duh! It is also not surprising the American Jews are deeply lop-sided against the current president, his administration, and his policies, but that seems to be lost on many, and for a few, the fact that some Jews aren't opposed (or as opposed) to the administration, well, then we (Jews as a whole) are some how diminished.

And, as expected, the reality Jews face is of no interest to most,

For example, on President Trump’s job performance, 26% found it favorable and 71% unfavorable.

55% report that the status of Jews in the U.S. is less secure than a year ago, while 18% say it is more secure and 24% about the same. On this question, the political divide is striking, as 70% of those who voted for Clinton, and 24% for Trump, say Jews are less secure, and those who say Jews are more secure are 8% of Clinton and 41% of Trump supporters. For 20% of Clinton and 32% of Trump supporters, the status is the same.

And, if elections for Congress were held today, 20% would vote for the Republican candidate, 67% for the Democrat, and 3% for another party.


But, hey, it is an article where people can vent their spleen at Israel and Israelis, and "tut-tut" Jews as a whole. Furthermore, the above excerpt demonstrates the American Jews are...gasp...AMERICANS! Can't have that now, can we?!

Lucky Luciano

(11,260 posts)
21. Really? I've only lived in nyc and LA, so I may be naive.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 08:33 PM
Jun 2018

Clearly, American Jews are staunchly Democratic- the ones who aren’t tend to be hard core capitalists (eg Paul Singer) or nationalists for Israel or both (Adelson). Israel is clearly hard right with their unwavering support of the awful Likud. Bring back Rabin

Behind the Aegis

(53,991 posts)
23. Call it naive if you wish.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 08:40 PM
Jun 2018

But from articles and comments on sites like this, no, one would not come to the conclusion that Jews are staunchly democratic despite facts from poll after poll; thus my original remark about the lack of being monolith (I shouldn't have to add, but apparently do, Israelis aren't monolith either). As for Israel, you really would benefit from actually learning about the state rather than spewing pointless rhetoric.

Lucky Luciano

(11,260 posts)
24. Israel is not monolith (I even mentioned Rabin).
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 11:06 PM
Jun 2018

The likud has held power for a long time though and it sickens me to see them cozy up to our dear leader.

 
26. Let me echo the same.
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 09:54 AM
Jun 2018

Likudniks are basically Trump Party. Israel needs to go left now. Right wing rhetoric hasnt worked since Rabins death. Its like politics has a infection of right wing batshittery lately, yeah? See also: Austria and Italy.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
12. 34% is about the level of support any GOP president would get from the Jewish community.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 04:20 PM
Jun 2018

To a one my Jewish American friends loathe him. Almost to a one my Israeli American friends love him.

Takket

(21,632 posts)
22. not surprising
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 08:40 PM
Jun 2018

drumpf is pushing an evangelical agenda at home while pushing Bibi's agenda in Israel. Great times if you are an Israeli when the USA has just declared you the only relevant state in the region (which we did by moving the embassy, no matter what anyone says). horrible times in the USA if you aren't a white male evangelical.

all politics is local.

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