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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:34 PM Aug 2012

China announces £800bn stimulus to boost confidence

Source: Telegraph

China has announced a total of 8 trillion yuan (£800bn) of "stimulus projects" to try to boost confidence in an economy that appears to be cooling faster than expected.

One Chinese province after another has stepped forward over the last fortnight to announce their plans, in what appears to be a propaganda effort to reassure the public that the economy is still on track.

Meanwhile, Wen Jiabao, the Chinese premier, promised over the weekend that the Chinese government would intensify its efforts to boost the economy in the second half of the year.

On a visit to Guangdong, the heartland of China's export industry, Mr Wen warned that "there will still be a lot of problems and uncertainties in exports going forward. The third quarter is a crucial period".

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/9500548/China-announces-800bn-stimulus-to-boost-confidence.html



That's c. $1.25 trillion.
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China announces £800bn stimulus to boost confidence (Original Post) dipsydoodle Aug 2012 OP
Where on earth are they going to get $1.25 trillion?? johnd83 Aug 2012 #1
They have a large current account surplus Anarcho-Socialist Aug 2012 #3
Our QE3. roamer65 Aug 2012 #8
Simple oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #14
Go figure............... SILVER__FOX52 Aug 2012 #2
My question is..what are they going to spend that money on? They already have un-lived in cities angstlessk Aug 2012 #4
They're long-term thinkers. The corporatists running America can't think beyond the current qtr. Scuba Aug 2012 #5
Not really tama Aug 2012 #6
Autarky isn't a good solution. David__77 Aug 2012 #10
Self-rule (autarky) tama Aug 2012 #11
Autarky is not self-rule, autonomous sovereignty is. David__77 Aug 2012 #12
You are correct tama Aug 2012 #16
This has been expected tama Aug 2012 #7
Get ready for QE3. roamer65 Aug 2012 #9
Global recession is reducing demand for Chinese exports. AdHocSolver Aug 2012 #13
China is not economically self-sufficient tama Aug 2012 #17
That's Communism! Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 #15

johnd83

(593 posts)
1. Where on earth are they going to get $1.25 trillion??
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:39 PM
Aug 2012

They already have really high inflation! We need stimulus because we have effectively no inflation...

Anarcho-Socialist

(9,601 posts)
3. They have a large current account surplus
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:50 PM
Aug 2012

Their inflation is a low 1.8% (July 2012). Low by western standards, it also is extremely low for a high-growth developing economy.

China has a lot of room for manoeuvre.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
8. Our QE3.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 09:12 PM
Aug 2012

China will have to monetize a good chunk of their Treasury bond holdings. The only way that will happen is QE3 here in the United States.

SILVER__FOX52

(535 posts)
2. Go figure...............
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:40 PM
Aug 2012

Stimulus ? Isn't that what Obama wants to do. Oh, that's right he can't it thru the House. The Republican Mickey Mouse Club.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
4. My question is..what are they going to spend that money on? They already have un-lived in cities
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:51 PM
Aug 2012

and bridges falling down...because of corruption...good after bad?

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
6. Not really
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 08:27 PM
Aug 2012

Same short-sighted authoritarian capitalists as elsewhere. Addicts blinded by greed, importing food and energy instead learning self-sufficiency, competing with other imperialist centers for finite natural resources. For a while they have just been better at the imperialist game than other competitors, but that does not make them into long-term thinkers, on the contrary.

David__77

(23,456 posts)
10. Autarky isn't a good solution.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:33 PM
Aug 2012

China has an appropriate stand regarding international trade. It is keeping the "commanding heights of the economy" in state hands and still pursues self-reliance in those core strategic sectors. To acquire the human and physical capital for further development, China needs robust international trade.

There is a long-term plan to make China a moderately developed country enjoying living standards comparable to, say, Italy by 2050. I think they will be successful is political stability is ensured and war is prevented.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
11. Self-rule (autarky)
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:46 PM
Aug 2012

is what you oppose and support authoritarian oppression, rape and pillage? Are you sure you are on right forum?

Capitalist dislocation of millions of people into sweat shops to produce more garbage to OECD and other consumers from finite natural resources such as oil that peaked globally few years ago is not exactly the definition of sanity. But of insane blind greed of the power elites.

David__77

(23,456 posts)
12. Autarky is not self-rule, autonomous sovereignty is.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:44 AM
Aug 2012

This is not an anti-capitalist forum, although there are anti-capitalists that post on it. I do not think that such international trade is equivalent to "oppression, rape and pillage." One cannot eat principles, and the fact is that many, many millions have been moved out of poverty over the past decades of development.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
16. You are correct
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 08:03 AM
Aug 2012

Autarky is self-sufficient, self-rule is spelled autarchy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autarky).

You are also correct that one cannot eat principles - another word for capital ('head'). Capitalistic living in the head instead of as whole body is idealism based on ideas of money and interest and private property, which makes it blind to basic material and physical facts. Dislocation from autarky to dependence from colonialism and imperialism for basic nourishment, "development" of arable land into asphalt and concrete; pollution and erosion and colonialistic acquiring arable land from elsewhere, especially from Africa, is idealistic and sociopathic insanity.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
7. This has been expected
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 08:31 PM
Aug 2012

Global depression spreading to China, as the dwindling markets in OECD have less and less supply demand to keep the Chinese export sector and industry growing. Global capitalism: put all the eggs in same basket, climb as high as you can, then drop the basket.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
9. Get ready for QE3.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 09:14 PM
Aug 2012

The Chinese will be selling US Treasuries and the Federal Reserve will have to go into the market to "mop them up".

AdHocSolver

(2,561 posts)
13. Global recession is reducing demand for Chinese exports.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 02:03 AM
Aug 2012

However, the Chinese are still economically better off than the U.S.

In order to absorb their manufacturing output and keep their people employed, they will eventually have to increase Chinese workers' wages so that their own people can buy their output.

The Chinese have built a tremendous manufacturing infrastructure. They can be economically self-sufficient.

The U.S. capitalists, on the other hand, have destroyed most of our producing infrastructure and eliminated jobs, so that we have no products to trade. We just borrow and spend.

To maintain profits, the U.S. capitalists are selling off the American productive assets and natural resources. Then they hide the money in offshore tax havens.

It is equivalent to the farmer selling off his seeds for next years crop, and winding up with nothing to plant for future crops.

The U.S. model is economically unsustainable. Unregulated capitalism is driving the U.S. economy into a depression.

The capitalists will just expand their markets in China and South America as those countries build up a new middle class. Capitalists do NOT need the U.S. to make profit.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
17. China is not economically self-sufficient
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 08:10 AM
Aug 2012

but increasingly dependent from import of natural resources - food and other forms of energy. In China the farmer has not selled the seeds for next years crop, but moved to work in swet shop of asphalt and concrete over former cultivated land. Or moved to Africa to cultivate land there to feed people in China and to starve Africa.

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