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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:30 PM Jun 2018

Russian Navy Put on High Alert off Ukraine Coast: Sources

Source: USA Today

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Sources close to the Russian military said on Thursday that Russian naval forces in the Black Sea had been put on heightened alert to discourage Ukraine from trying to disrupt the soccer World Cup as the tournament got under way.

However, the Defence Ministry itself dismissed the reports, saying in a statement: "The forces of the Black Sea Fleet are working in routine mode. No measures to put (them) on high combat alert have taken place."

Reuters was not able to verify a Ukrainian build-up independently, and there was no confirmation of that from officials in Kiev.

One of the military sources said there were concerns that Ukraine was building up its military presence in the area as a "provocation" during the tournament.

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Read more: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2018-06-14/russian-navy-put-on-high-alert-off-ukraine-coast-sources

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Russian Navy Put on High Alert off Ukraine Coast: Sources (Original Post) jpak Jun 2018 OP
Messing with the World Cup The Mouth Jun 2018 #1
Preparing a 2nd invasion no doubt. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #2
Based on prior info, didn't the USSRussia already mess with the World Cup? erronis Jun 2018 #3
Theatrics. Somebody forwarded tweet to DU saying Putin may test NATO v soon after G6+1 summit. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #4
I've never understood this kind of thinking. Igel Jun 2018 #5

The Mouth

(3,150 posts)
1. Messing with the World Cup
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:42 PM
Jun 2018

would be dumb. Pretty good way to get most of the rest of the world against you (in other words, perfect place to play agent provocateur)

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
2. Preparing a 2nd invasion no doubt.
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:49 PM
Jun 2018

Hey Trump, are you gonna send in the US Navy to back up Putin's forces? I'll bet he'd pay you handsomely for a few Tomahawks.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
3. Based on prior info, didn't the USSRussia already mess with the World Cup?
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:51 PM
Jun 2018

Through bribery and via FIFA (surprise). USSRussia didn't have any credible football presence before the pute decided he wanted to "own" it.

What's next? Pute deciding he wants to shack up with Ivanka? (small price, easily minted.)

Igel

(35,320 posts)
5. I've never understood this kind of thinking.
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 05:18 PM
Jun 2018

Or why otherwise (or perhaps "presumably&quot rational people would consider it thinking.

One of the military sources said there were concerns that Ukraine was building up its military presence in the area as a "provocation" during the tournament.


Does Russia seriously think that Ukraine would attack? Does Russia think that somehow having the troops there on the Uk side is somehow impinging on its territorial sovereignty?

It's the same with the SK/US war games in S. Korea and the unhinged N. Korean responses. Granted, Kim might well think that an attack was imminent. But the US was stronger in the past, esp. when taking into S. Korea, than N. Korea and, you know, nothing happened. Plus all the rhetoric about "we are practicing in case of attack by N. Korea," meaning that in some sense N. Korea was being taken seriously. If they meant their bellicose rhetoric entirely for domestic consumption, it should have come with a tagline that said so. In other words, the past is sufficient map to the future, all things being unchanged.

Same with Ukraine.

It's a sign of paranoid weakness, and the proper response would be to ridicule Putin's weak-minded paranoia and make it clear, in ways that get to the Russian populace, that it's just smoke being blown for the sake of Putin's power.

The thing about provokatsii is that it's the response that's the mistake and demonstrates an error in judgment. Or, perhaps, the reports were the provokatsiia, to get higher-ups to take an odd number of measures of a laendler as though it were in 4/4.
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