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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:49 PM Jun 2018

Des Moines Register front page warns Iowa could lose up to $624M from Chinese tariffs

Source: The Hill

The Des Moines Register is warning Iowa residents that newly announced tariffs from the Trump administration could cost farmers in the state as much as $624 million, blasting out the headline on the newspaper's front page Saturday.

The newspaper, which reaches more than 140,000 Iowans in the state Trump won by just under 10 points, declares on its front page that the cost of Trump's moves to punish China for intellectual property theft would begin to "add up" for Iowa farmers, according to a copy obtained by the Newseum.

The Des Moines Register did not endorse Trump in the election, instead encouraging Iowans to vote for his Democratic challenger Hillary Clinton.

"Perhaps Iowa farmers' biggest fear is becoming a harsh reality," the article declares.

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Des Moines Register front page warns Iowa could lose up to $624M from Chinese tariffs (Original Post) jpak Jun 2018 OP
A lot more than that, duforsure Jun 2018 #1
Yep, tariffs will effect prices farm families pay for equipment, food...and all beachbum bob Jun 2018 #3
The $624 M is just on soybeans, if you go to the original article. Kittycow Jun 2018 #7
It will be a couple billion in Iowa and levels like that in most agricultural beachbum bob Jun 2018 #15
It's pretty sobering to read all the elements the way Kittycow Jun 2018 #23
Wouldn't it be perfect if only those who actually voted BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #2
Subject -- predicate mismatch. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2018 #4
Thank you jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #22
Unfortunately the cult numbers don't read newspapers because they are fake news. kimbutgar Jun 2018 #5
Add in hundreds millions more for retaliatory tariffs from Canada, Mexico & EU. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #6
What country(ies) hold US debt? Wwcd Jun 2018 #8
No. There is no calling. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #11
If China sold at fire-sale prices, yields would have to rise to move new debt, leading to recession Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #21
yes they could shoot themselves in the foot in order to splatter blood on other people Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #32
On Nov. 9, 2016, I said the following to anyone who would listen... louis c Jun 2018 #9
I hope they learn their lesson ... GeorgeGist Jun 2018 #10
Idiots rarely learn their lessons. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #12
And, false pride keeps them in that condition. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #38
My father has an apt saying for this situation. Jedi Guy Jun 2018 #41
Have 'em call Chuck Grassley. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2018 #13
Don't forget Joni jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #24
But don't don't they love IQ45? sinkingfeeling Jun 2018 #14
They can file for bankruptcy just like their dear leader. roamer65 Jun 2018 #16
Donald recommended defaulting on the national debt. Negotiating with the creditors to take less mon keithbvadu2 Jun 2018 #19
Dirty Donny* (R) pissing on America's Heartland Achilleaze Jun 2018 #17
And yet they will still vote Republican. GentryDixon Jun 2018 #18
So, how do you like me NOW??? marble falls Jun 2018 #20
Iowa voted for Trump. They obviously wanted this..Trump campaigned on tariffs. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #25
Iowan here. I have little sympathy for Iowa farmers. 47of74 Jun 2018 #26
A better headline would have been DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #27
They Voted for it JI7 Jun 2018 #28
Trumpy was their boy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2018 #29
I'm sure Trumpy will cover all those costs! You made your bed, farmers.... FSogol Jun 2018 #30
Didn't cha hear? It's Obama and Clinton's fault. TheBlackAdder Jun 2018 #31
They are getting what they voted for. Dawson Leery Jun 2018 #33
Tough shit. You wanted this now suffer the consequences. blueinredohio Jun 2018 #34
There once was a time . . . Sam McGee Jun 2018 #35
Please! Please! Someone with better tech skills than I, GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #36
... betsuni Jun 2018 #37
Thank you so much GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #40
Just wait, Jpak until... KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #39
boo f'ing hoo... cntrfthrs Jun 2018 #42
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
3. Yep, tariffs will effect prices farm families pay for equipment, food...and all
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:54 PM
Jun 2018

Consumer products...while the economy spins into recession and the coup de grace of loss of US dollar as worlds reserve currency

Putin is laughing his ass off

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
7. The $624 M is just on soybeans, if you go to the original article.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:29 PM
Jun 2018

That article said that the pork loss is $360 M. Then you get the farm equipment expenses, like you said.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
15. It will be a couple billion in Iowa and levels like that in most agricultural
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 05:13 PM
Jun 2018

States with large exports...as we know, the farm vote heavily favored trump. Tariffs cut in our exports AND is a tax on what we consume. So loss of market share will be huge as almost everything we sell can be bought elsewhere while the stuff we buy can't be produced here for years...as no means of production exist..at the moment

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
23. It's pretty sobering to read all the elements the way
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 06:35 PM
Jun 2018

you've laid it out.

Just from reading around, it seems like most of the Ag Boards are being realistic about the losses (warnings) but a lot of the farmers still support trump.

I think a lot of the Ag tariffs don't take effect until July 6 so the farmers were still confident trump's policies wouldn't hurt them.

But there's so many moving parts that change from day to day, trump's signature move.

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
2. Wouldn't it be perfect if only those who actually voted
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:53 PM
Jun 2018

for the moron had to suffer under his policies and those who didn't would not? I know it is a dream.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,512 posts)
4. Subject -- predicate mismatch.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:05 PM
Jun 2018

Last edited Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:53 AM - Edit history (1)

They meant to say: "Cost of tariffs begins to add up for Iowa farmers."

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,011 posts)
6. Add in hundreds millions more for retaliatory tariffs from Canada, Mexico & EU.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:28 PM
Jun 2018

Plus Trump-Republicon tariffs on imported steel from allies in Canada and EU and Mexico are making farm machinery and trucks more expensive.

And then there is the coming Trump Slump in the economy because Iowa is not the only state affected. Plus tourism is down 4-7%.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
8. What country(ies) hold US debt?
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:36 PM
Jun 2018

When the US cities cannot feed nor house their populations, & the producers from the Midwest, Southern & Northern Plains States becomes a tariffed wasteland , will the US debt held by foreign countries be called in?

Voltaire2

(13,075 posts)
11. No. There is no calling.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 05:00 PM
Jun 2018

China could sell their bonds to somebody else, they could stop buying new bonds, but the holders of treasury notes don’t have an option to demand immediate repayment for the remaining principle.

China has been diversifing their holdings.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,011 posts)
21. If China sold at fire-sale prices, yields would have to rise to move new debt, leading to recession
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 06:29 PM
Jun 2018

Higher interest rates are a drag on the economy. It would be yet another factor contributing to a Trump Slump.

Voltaire2

(13,075 posts)
32. yes they could shoot themselves in the foot in order to splatter blood on other people
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:28 PM
Jun 2018

seems like a losing strategy. instead they are doing what is always done in trade wars: retaliating with tarrifs.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
9. On Nov. 9, 2016, I said the following to anyone who would listen...
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:50 PM
Jun 2018

...the only silver lining in the Trump win is that he will fuck the people who voted for him.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
38. And, false pride keeps them in that condition.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 05:32 AM
Jun 2018

That's one purpose of fascist propaganda like Faux News - to pump up false pride......

Jedi Guy

(3,194 posts)
41. My father has an apt saying for this situation.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 10:43 AM
Jun 2018

"Fools can count on getting what they deserve."

The people who voted for Trump are about to receive the rewards of that decision. Alas, so will the rest of us. They say a rising tide lifts all boats. Well, the tide is going out and a lot of keels are about to touch the sea floor.

I used to think all we would need to do is survive four years until we can vote Trump out. Then a Democratic President could (as usual) pick up the pieces. I now think that he'll do so much damage to our economy and global reputation that it'll take years, if not longer, to sort things out.

When Great Depression Part Two strikes, we'll all be suffering together. The galling thing is that Trump supporters will blame it all on the Democrats and keep right on voting for the GOP.

It's fucking infuriating, but this is the reality of 2018 America. We could have had President Hillary Clinton, but... her emails!

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
19. Donald recommended defaulting on the national debt. Negotiating with the creditors to take less mon
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 06:22 PM
Jun 2018

Donald recommended defaulting on the national debt.

Negotiating with the creditors to take less money.

Don’t forget that much of America’s debt is owned by Americans, not just the Chinese and other foreigners .

Donald Trump's Glorious Threat To Default On The National Debt Is Just The Conventional Wisdom

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/07/donald-trumps-glorious-threat-to-default-on-the-national-debt-is-just-the-conventional-wisdom/#59ab980ca367

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
17. Dirty Donny* (R) pissing on America's Heartland
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jun 2018

So sorry the Heartland got suckered by a New York City Casino Hustler. They shoulda seen it coming a mile away.

* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
25. Iowa voted for Trump. They obviously wanted this..Trump campaigned on tariffs.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 06:46 PM
Jun 2018

I feel for the ones who didn't vote for Trump. And the farmers, who will be the ones to take the hit. But that will have a snowball effect throughout the state. Many small businesses depend on those farmers as customers.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
26. Iowan here. I have little sympathy for Iowa farmers.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 07:41 PM
Jun 2018

These people allowed their hatred of others - women, non whites, immigrants, non-reich wing Christians, etc - to override their common sense and voted the orange idiot into office. Along with groupies in Iowa's legislative and executive branches. It's to the point that I'm thinking of leaving Iowa once I'm done with school. Heck with these people. They made their goddamn bed by voting GOP and now it's time for them to lie in the fucking thing.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
33. They are getting what they voted for.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 10:17 PM
Jun 2018

Agrarians are basically rural ignorant jackals.

They have been after Macron for every little thing.

The farmers deserved LePen*. Let them see how they do without access to the common market.

*In no way did I want to see LePen win.

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
35. There once was a time . . .
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:57 PM
Jun 2018

There once was a time when I would feel great sympathy for these folks. No longer.

They were warned time and again the Trump was unqualified and incompetent but did they listen?

So -- let 'em go broke. Let 'em go broke, let Archer-Daniels-Midland buy up the farm that has been in their family for five generations then pay them minimum wage to manage it.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
36. Please! Please! Someone with better tech skills than I,
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 12:02 AM
Jun 2018

Post the clip from Blazing Sattles about rural folks!

Which I kind of am.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
39. Just wait, Jpak until...
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 05:45 AM
Jun 2018

steeply rising healthcare costs, increased prices of food, machinery, clothing, and other necessities due to inflation and tariffs, and increased cost of borrowing hits them.

Of course, that will be right about the time our guys regain power to clean up this mess, and then they will REALLY start blaming Democrats.

......

cntrfthrs

(252 posts)
42. boo f'ing hoo...
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 12:30 AM
Jun 2018

you voted for that damned fool and got us all into this mess...now take your medicine...

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