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riversedge

(70,239 posts)
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 07:04 PM Jun 2018

'It's on us all': Democrats press on border separations as White House digs in

Source: the guardian





Beto O’Rourke: nation will be judged on whether it takes action
Conway claims Trump not using children as ‘leverage’

Sun 17 Jun 2018 15.21 EDT



Responsibility for the separation of children from parents at the US border is “on all” Americans, a rising-star Texas Democrat said on Sunday, Father’s Day, and “not just the Trump administration” which has implemented the controversial policy.
2,000 children separated from parents in six weeks under Trump policy


“I’d like to say it’s un-American but it’s happening right now in America,” said Beto O’Rourke, a US representative who in November will challenge Ted Cruz for his Senate seat. Speaking to CNN’s State of the Union, he added: “It is on all of us, not just the Trump administration. This is on all of us.”

The senior White House adviser Kellyanne Conway, however, said the onus was on Democrats to end the policy by negotiating with the president on immigration reform and border security.

Despite an unnamed Trump official having said this week that the brutal separation policy was meant “to force people to the table”, Conway denied that the administration was using children separated from their parents as “leverage”. ...............................

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/17/us-immigration-family-separations-beto-orourke-texas



Just yesterday, I believe she only had 45.















I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE UN GET INVOLVED***********









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A police officer and a US Border Patrol agent watch over a group of Central American asylum seekers near McAllen, Texas. Photograph: John Moore/Getty Images
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'It's on us all': Democrats press on border separations as White House digs in (Original Post) riversedge Jun 2018 OP
Silent Republicons / not working to stop it are complicit & evil. Their family value harm children Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #1
I'm sorry to be crass and political but I hope the Dems USE THIS to get more CONS voted OUT calimary Jun 2018 #16
Correct move for Democratic Party. RepubliCons have made big mistake revealing evil power madness.nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #17
The difference here, deliciously ironic at that, is that the medium trump loves best, calimary Jun 2018 #18
I, for one, am damn tired of being held hostage CanonRay Jun 2018 #2
So am I. Then lets do something about it ! pangaia Jun 2018 #10
Thanks, Sen Feinstein. And I'd love to have the UN get involved, too. Mc Mike Jun 2018 #3
Which political party has the majority in Congress and the WH? How stupid do they think the still_one Jun 2018 #4
Some of the American people actually are that stupid. paleotn Jun 2018 #6
Done. Burr and Crazy Thom just got an ear full from me. paleotn Jun 2018 #5
I love Beto, but this is ALL on Trump, Stephen Miller and the republican controlled congress! Kajun Gal Jun 2018 #7
Republicans, this atrocity is all on you C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #8
Republicans are lying as usual, and have handed us a moral issue bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #9
RESIST slumcamper Jun 2018 #11
trump is a MF Blackmailer.. He's a Kidnapper and all those Cha Jun 2018 #12
I'm starting to think the Trumpanzees are trying to create terrorists by doing what they are doing. C Moon Jun 2018 #13
48 Senators? Are even one of them GOP? Have they got bravehearts Corker, Flake, McCain? Midnight Writer Jun 2018 #14
No. They're afraid of Dictator Don's backlash. Spineless GOP. sarcasmo Jun 2018 #19
My take on this humanitarian disaster... KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #15

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
1. Silent Republicons / not working to stop it are complicit & evil. Their family value harm children
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 07:13 PM
Jun 2018

Let this be a big issue with which to crush RepubliCONs in 2018.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
16. I'm sorry to be crass and political but I hope the Dems USE THIS to get more CONS voted OUT
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 02:21 PM
Jun 2018

in November.

This could be a gift - because with Democrats in control (gaining the majority in the House and hopefully also the Senate), then THEY will be the ones who can lead. THEY will be the ones who can bring bills to the floor for a vote. THEY will be the ones to initiate policy moves and vetting in the committees. THEY will be the ones who can set the agenda in those committees. THEY will be the ones with the subpoena power in those committees. THEY will be the ones to move forward with investigations - particularly the ones the republi-CONS have kiboshed, ignored, or blocked. If the CONS stay in control, we go nowhere. And more innocents will suffer. And more families will be broken. And more children will be traumatized - FOR LIFE.

It could also become a cautionary tale for republi-CONS that if they cling to trump, that won't save them (especially if we MESSAGE it that way, and make that point LOUDLY AND CONSTANTLY assuming it works out that way), despite what their base voters may do. Because there are MORE OF US than there are of the GOP's base. There are MORE OF US Democrats. If you add in a nice chunk of independents, more of whom lean toward the left than to the right, then there are WAY MORE OF US on the side of the light.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
18. The difference here, deliciously ironic at that, is that the medium trump loves best,
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 08:57 AM
Jun 2018

and knows best, and manipulates on a minute-by-minute basis, is going to be his downfall.

Even some of the hardest of the hard-hearted and most willfully uninformed, those pictures don't lie. Those photos of those pitiful little ones, the crying children, those wide little eyes filled with fear and trepidation - as well as tears. THOSE PHOTOS, and now, too, the audio released by ProPublica where you can HEAR their cries and their wailing. THOSE will be his undoing, if anything can be.

Television: the very medium he craves and covets will be what destroys him. THOSE PHOTOS in particular, and the audio coming from that ProPublica tape - whose transcript flashes across the screen as you hear the children's plaintive voices - THOSE VISUALS. THAT is what finally might do it. At long last.

Because you can't avoid or misinterpret those visuals - unless, of course, you're the miserable Alex Jones, that is. Hmmm... gotta go add that to the thread listing names for the "Special Place in Hell" Club!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210753659

still_one

(92,213 posts)
4. Which political party has the majority in Congress and the WH? How stupid do they think the
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 07:24 PM
Jun 2018

American people are.

I hope this fact is shouted loud and clear




paleotn

(17,920 posts)
6. Some of the American people actually are that stupid.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 07:34 PM
Jun 2018

Or maybe it's hateful and not stupid or a mix of both. Luckily, they're not the majority of us. Not by a long shot.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
9. Republicans are lying as usual, and have handed us a moral issue
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 08:12 PM
Jun 2018

This is a gift that Republicans do not understand. GOP has totally lost any remaining moral compass. Let's make the most of it.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
12. trump is a MF Blackmailer.. He's a Kidnapper and all those
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 09:55 PM
Jun 2018

approving are on his Kidnapping Bandwagon.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
13. I'm starting to think the Trumpanzees are trying to create terrorists by doing what they are doing.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 11:35 PM
Jun 2018

So he can begin his warmongering.

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
14. 48 Senators? Are even one of them GOP? Have they got bravehearts Corker, Flake, McCain?
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 02:41 AM
Jun 2018

Is a single one of them ready to do what they know is right?

I never thought the day would come when opposing locking up innocent children would be the risky political choice.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
15. My take on this humanitarian disaster...
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 04:56 AM
Jun 2018

I believe that any civil society that takes upon itself to encode laws and regulations upon its citizens and visitors, that in order to enforce those edicts must provide the proper facilities and personnel to do so in a fair, just, and humanitarian manner.

It's also my belief that if our government must detain people with children crossing our borders who don't have authorization to do so, that we should have facilities in place to house them safely and comfortably together, with proper food and medical facilities available until they are justly processed.

I must confess that I don't know all the laws and regulations that govern those who step across our borders. What I do know is that we should treat those people with compassion and fairness and if practical give them a new lease on life in America. Somehow, we've failed to educate our populace on the international concepts of asylum and safe refuge.

Most Americans are also being blind hypocrites regarding those crossing the border to find work. We turned a blind eye to them for many decades and we all profited from their labor, but now suddenly are treating them like criminals. There's also the problem of our justice system failing our own citizens in many ways in the courts, jails and prisons.

If we fail to fix these problems, I fear we're doomed to fail as a society. We have enough challenges fighting for economic justice and equality, as well as the coming climate change. If we lose our humanitarian values, the rest of the world will increasingly turn away from us and may turn against us.

Rant over.......... ........

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