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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:26 PM Jun 2018

Trump accuses Canadians of smuggling U.S. goods across the border to get around 'massive' tariffs

Source: Financial Post



Trump said Canada imposes such onerous tariffs on U.S. products -- shoes, for instance -- that people are forced to 'scuff 'em up' in order to 'smuggle' them home

The Canadian Press
June 19, 2018
1:46 PM EDT

OTTAWA — U.S. President Donald Trump is accusing Canadians of buying products south of the border, then sneaking them back home — all because of what he calls “massive” tariffs on American goods.

Trump, speaking to a gathering of small business owners in Washington, is railing again against the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying the U.S. can no longer afford to be the “stupid country.”

He says Canada imposes such onerous tariffs on U.S. products — shoes, for instance — that people are forced to “scuff ’em up” in order to “smuggle” them home.

Trump says he’s looking out for American farmers and manufacturers, and again takes issue with Canada’s supply management system for dairy farmers.

Read more: http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/commons-speaker-says-no-to-tory-calls-for-emergency-debate-on-canada-u-s-trade

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Trump accuses Canadians of smuggling U.S. goods across the border to get around 'massive' tariffs (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2018 OP
I guess we are going to need a new wall! lapfog_1 Jun 2018 #1
hell i called this two years ago..the walls are to keep us in..not to keep others out.. samnsara Jun 2018 #10
I think Canadians are considering a wall, and sending the bill to trump! George II Jun 2018 #11
What if Canada pays for the Mexican Wall and vice versa? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #12
Considering the comparative lengths of the two borders ... Jerry Can Jun 2018 #50
New Lows Roy Rolling Jun 2018 #2
He invents his own "facts" pandr32 Jun 2018 #15
wait until trump finds out russians boat over spies & illegal immigrants from that open border. Sunlei Jun 2018 #3
Russia certainly has very pretty girls! nt quartz007 Jun 2018 #7
hungry girls with not much future unless they marry a richman. Sunlei Jun 2018 #9
When marrying any spouse poorer than you, quartz007 Jun 2018 #46
40 miles north of Seattle, there is Outlet Mall quartz007 Jun 2018 #4
I've been to that mall at least 30 years ago. kimbutgar Jun 2018 #8
This is psychotic stuff in his fervent mind kimbutgar Jun 2018 #5
YES. MBS Jun 2018 #23
Trump has been making shit up since before 2012. Jerry Can Jun 2018 #51
oh Jesus christ Afromania Jun 2018 #6
More border closings bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #13
I missed that - we still make shoes? bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #14
Sure because there are no shoes in Canada. sinkingfeeling Jun 2018 #16
Bread wrappers jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #22
Some people are even wearing shoes on their feet to "smuggle" them home! FSogol Jun 2018 #17
The idiocy of OrangeTurd on display world wide YessirAtsaFact Jun 2018 #18
So what is the Canadian tariff on US shoes? Red Pest Jun 2018 #19
No one has heard of the infamous Winnipeg Shoe Cartel? HopeAgain Jun 2018 #20
Yeah...those Canadian immigrants are sneaking over the border with calves the size of loafers! George II Jun 2018 #21
Obviously not true ... knightmaar Jun 2018 #24
Sort of Like Me Buying RX Drugs From Canada! DoctorJoJo Jun 2018 #25
+100 sinkingfeeling Jun 2018 #27
Coming from a true propagandist duforsure Jun 2018 #26
King Pig Paranoid Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #28
It's not uncommon up here EllieBC Jun 2018 #29
Not to take Donalds side here as I don't know the facts, but couldn't 'lower prices in the US' in mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #35
It's probably a mix of things. EllieBC Jun 2018 #41
But that's not really what's happening. Saviolo Jun 2018 #42
It still happens for travel. EllieBC Jun 2018 #48
True, but I remember when it was in the news as a crisis. Saviolo Jun 2018 #53
Hey Canada! Trump is coming for your shoes! bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #30
Um...NO trixie2 Jun 2018 #31
We've been enjoying the big discounts when we go to Canada. SeattleVet Jun 2018 #43
"... the U.S. can no longer afford to be the 'stupid country.'" mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2018 #32
This would be hilarious if it weren't such an important thing. christx30 Jun 2018 #33
He is full blown barking at the moon batshit crazy. Botany Jun 2018 #34
Tuck Buckford's Brain Fight I think ... (nt) mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #37
Does he want Canadian Custom Officers to search Canadians going into their country and .... Botany Jun 2018 #54
No telling what that loon might come up with lol ... (go to 3:14) mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #55
One thing's for certain: Canada doesn't have an exclusive on loons. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2018 #36
Now my husband wants a t-shirt that says "Canadian Shoe Smuggler" Solly Mack Jun 2018 #38
Wait, so Canadians are spending money in the US and denying money to Canada... eggplant Jun 2018 #39
Yeah it's pretty stupid. EllieBC Jun 2018 #40
I bought my 18 month old shoes at Target back in April. EllieBC Jun 2018 #44
if that were the case there would be shoe plazas at every border crossing dembotoz Jun 2018 #45
There isn't customs duty on "goods" consumed abroad. rickford66 Jun 2018 #47
Erm.... "Duty Free"? mwooldri Jun 2018 #49
trump again has zero knowledge on what he is talking about... beachbum bob Jun 2018 #52

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
10. hell i called this two years ago..the walls are to keep us in..not to keep others out..
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:34 PM
Jun 2018

...sessions was right..

12. What if Canada pays for the Mexican Wall and vice versa?
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:36 PM
Jun 2018

The Mexicans can't complain about being forced to build their own wall, and the Canadians never complain about anything. Donnie Two Scoops gets what he's always wanted -- a country isolated from the rest of the world -- and the other two countries don't have to build walls between themselves and the U.S.

That seems like a win-win-win situation to me.

Now, about those pesky international airlines flying in people who aren't real Americans ---

 

Jerry Can

(22 posts)
50. Considering the comparative lengths of the two borders ...
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 08:43 PM
Jun 2018

... l would expect Mexico to object rather strenuously to that plan.

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
2. New Lows
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jun 2018

Just when you're convinced he is the dumbest president in history, you start to realize he's in the running for one of the dumbest people in the entire world.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
15. He invents his own "facts"
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:41 PM
Jun 2018

There is no evidence "Canada" (the entire country as a unit) is smuggling shoes. tRump is making up crap to fling. This is beneath the office of POTUS.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
3. wait until trump finds out russians boat over spies & illegal immigrants from that open border.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:30 PM
Jun 2018
and hide beautiful young pureblood,Russian girls on their private jets.
 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
4. 40 miles north of Seattle, there is Outlet Mall
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:31 PM
Jun 2018

called Premium Outlets. It has every imaginable brand of stores. When Canadian dollar was stronger, we used to see mall full of Canada auto license plates. Now Canadian dollar is weak and don't see so many Canadians anymore.

kimbutgar

(21,157 posts)
8. I've been to that mall at least 30 years ago.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:33 PM
Jun 2018

I remember hearing the Canadian accent. Being a Californian it was so strange to me.

kimbutgar

(21,157 posts)
5. This is psychotic stuff in his fervent mind
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:31 PM
Jun 2018

No Canadians are doing this, he is breaking down in psychosis now making shit up.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
23. YES.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:01 PM
Jun 2018

This was the first thing that occurred to me, too. In a recent WaPo oped, the conservative-but-Trump-hating columnist Max Boot called Trump the "most unethical, unhinged, and racist president in American history." Yup, all of the above.

At a book signing a few weeks ago, a psychiatrist (noting how intelligence agencies draw up psychological profiles of world leaders) asked James Clapper what he would write if he were drawing up a profile of Trump. He demurred (having already that day been on the back end of one of T's tweetstorms), but said, "If I were a foreign intelligence agencies, I'd focus on his unpredictability."

He is a madman. And one with no ethics, no understanding of what really makes our country great, or any sense of responsibility to anyone or any cause except his own selfish interests.

 

Jerry Can

(22 posts)
51. Trump has been making shit up since before 2012.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 08:52 PM
Jun 2018

What is alarming is that now he has an entire political party acting upon them.

jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
22. Bread wrappers
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:58 PM
Jun 2018

Just like Joni Ernst, the Canadians are using bread wrappers when they should be buying Ivanka's shoes.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
18. The idiocy of OrangeTurd on display world wide
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:49 PM
Jun 2018

I keep thinking he couldn’t be a bigger idiot but he proves me wrong every time.

Red Pest

(288 posts)
19. So what is the Canadian tariff on US shoes?
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:52 PM
Jun 2018

According to my web search Canada charges no duty/tariff on shoes brought in from the US. Hmm, could it be that NAFTA prevents tariffs on US imports to Canada? I guess that President Grifter is making up shit once again.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
26. Coming from a true propagandist
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:10 PM
Jun 2018

Making up facts to justify what he wants to do is a regular past time of this illegitimate president . I don't believe much from this corrupt criminal , and he has a plan against Canada, which I fear its putin wanting to annex again using trump to do it, or egging him on while he invades Georgia, and trump goes after Canada, or Mexico. We're seeing just the tip of the ice burg right now how he'' escalates this to do as he pleases using made up excuses , again.

EllieBC

(3,016 posts)
29. It's not uncommon up here
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:21 PM
Jun 2018

for us to go down there and buy stuff and yeah, take the tags off and shove it in a bag. And there are people who secure US postal addresses or friendly mail drops there, it's true.

It was more common when the dollar was closer to par though.

But it wasn't about tariffs. Stuff is just cheaper there and Canadians, like anyone else, like to save money too. It's not a conspiracy, Donald.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
35. Not to take Donalds side here as I don't know the facts, but couldn't 'lower prices in the US' in
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:37 PM
Jun 2018

theory be due to the cost of a tariff being levied upon the final price in Canada?

Granted in reality the stuff you're talking about is probably almost never an actual 'made in the USA' item, but if it were ... I'm not sure you could rule out the possibility that the price is lower in the US due to the lack of paying tariffs. It's kinda exactly the effect you'd expect a tariff to have. Just sayin' ...

EllieBC

(3,016 posts)
41. It's probably a mix of things.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:54 PM
Jun 2018

Prices here are higher because of taxes (multiple layers including carbon taxes) and supply and demand. We have far fewer people so fewer items that cost more.

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
42. But that's not really what's happening.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:56 PM
Jun 2018

Most of those shoes are not made in the USA, they're Asian imports, so Trump is complaining about Canada's tariffs on Asian products. Also, if Canadians are going down to the USA to purchase those shoes, they're pumping money into US retailers, at the expense of Canadian retailers, so really this is a net benefit to the USA.

There is a thread about it here:




In case it was not clear, Trump's complaint about Canadians smuggling shoes back from the US is extremely bizarre and nonsensical from a trade perspective. Almost all shoes sold in the US are made outside the US. So these Canadian tariffs aren't on US manufacturers. Trump is complaining, probably unknowingly, about Canadian tariffs on Asian countries. In other words: in this shoe example, Canadians are spending money at US businesses to buy Asian-made goods. Yay America. Then they're - sometimes - hiding these products from Canadian customs to avoid Canadian tariffs on Asian goods. Why is this bad for America? Who knows. Executive director of the Canadian Apparel Federation, grappling with his Responding To A Trump Story Moment: “There doesn’t seem to be an issue. I’m not sure why we’re talking about this. ...I feel like I'm going down the rabbit hole here."


Also, this was a big thing in Canada about 15-25 years ago. When the US dollar was much higher than the CAD, and prices in the US were incredibly low, there was a huge problem with cross-border shopping in Canada. But it was a problem to Canada, not the USA. It was a big boon to US retailers around the border who were getting the benefit of all of those Canadian shoppers hopping the border for a weekend shopping trip!

EllieBC

(3,016 posts)
48. It still happens for travel.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 07:57 PM
Jun 2018

Go to the airport in Bellingham, WA and you see mostly BC plates.

Again, Canadians like to save money too.

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
53. True, but I remember when it was in the news as a crisis.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:42 PM
Jun 2018

Like, every few days was a news item about Cross Border Shopping! *gasp!!*

bucolic_frolic

(43,176 posts)
30. Hey Canada! Trump is coming for your shoes!
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:27 PM
Jun 2018

Hey Mexico! Trump is coming for your kids!

Please! Take him!

trixie2

(905 posts)
31. Um...NO
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:31 PM
Jun 2018

If any sneaking is going on it is Americans crossing the boarder to buy lower priced goods and sneaking them back without declaring them. Our money is, at this moment, worth more then theirs. At least you don't have to declare your full tank of gas, winkwink Americans.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
43. We've been enjoying the big discounts when we go to Canada.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 04:05 PM
Jun 2018

Last couple of trips were to Victoria, and each Canadian dollar we spent was actually around $.75 US. I'll take a 25% discount, any day! We don't usually buy a lot of goods to bring back, but our lodging, travel, and food expenses are quite nice.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,488 posts)
32. "... the U.S. can no longer afford to be the 'stupid country.'"
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:32 PM
Jun 2018

Uh, it's not the country that we're worried about.

I predict that sometime today, carloads of lumber from lumber from the Evil Empire of the North will pass WITHIN THE VERY SHADOW OF THE CAPITOL (assuming that we are somehow transported to the Southern Hemisphere, so that shadows from buildings to the north of the railroad tracks will fall up trains to the south of those buildings).

christx30

(6,241 posts)
33. This would be hilarious if it weren't such an important thing.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:33 PM
Jun 2018

Now all of Trump's cult members are going to have to start complaining about Canadian smugglers. There's going to be memes of Trudeau wearing Han Solo's costumes, including scuffed up shoes.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
34. He is full blown barking at the moon batshit crazy.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:35 PM
Jun 2018

I wonder which Fox News show had this "fact" on it or was it from another
make believe site like Information Wars?

Botany

(70,516 posts)
54. Does he want Canadian Custom Officers to search Canadians going into their country and ....
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:43 PM
Jun 2018

... then charge them Trump's tariffs and then send the money to the US Treasury?


The man is nucking futz.

Solly Mack

(90,769 posts)
38. Now my husband wants a t-shirt that says "Canadian Shoe Smuggler"
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:41 PM
Jun 2018

He has a "Stay Classy America" T that he wears in a sarcastic fashion. He bought it after Trump was installed.

If people applaud the shirt, he laughs at them.

He also enjoys going up to missionaries who are proselytizing and attempts convert them to atheism. "Have you heard about Reason?" is his opening line.





eggplant

(3,911 posts)
39. Wait, so Canadians are spending money in the US and denying money to Canada...
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:45 PM
Jun 2018

...by avoiding the massive tariffs, and we're bothered by this? How is this bad for the US again?

EllieBC

(3,016 posts)
44. I bought my 18 month old shoes at Target back in April.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 04:11 PM
Jun 2018

And had him wear them home over the border. I'm a One woman Shoe Smuggling Ring.

dembotoz

(16,808 posts)
45. if that were the case there would be shoe plazas at every border crossing
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 04:15 PM
Jun 2018

don't think that is reality

rickford66

(5,524 posts)
47. There isn't customs duty on "goods" consumed abroad.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 07:48 PM
Jun 2018

The shoes you buy and wear or the food in your stomach.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
49. Erm.... "Duty Free"?
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 08:07 PM
Jun 2018

Isn't one allowed an allowance of things that can be imported personally on a vacation type trip? Or is this more of a European thing? Hitting the "Duty Free" at the airports is usually a big thing in international airports. Yeah it's normally stuff like cigarettes, alcohol, etc but when I worked retail in the UK I'd often have requests for VAT paperwork so when the customer left the European Economic Area they could claim back the VAT they paid on their purchase.

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