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appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:11 PM Jun 2018

Driver Was Streaming The Voice When Uber Self-Driving Car Crashed, Say Police

Source: The Guardian

Rafaela Vasquez looked up half a second before Arizona crash that killed woman, report says. The “safety” driver behind the wheel of a self-driving Uber that hit and killed a pedestrian was streaming the television show The Voice on her phone at the time of the crash, police have said.

The collision that killed Elaine Herzberg, 49, who was crossing the road at night in Tempe, Arizona, was “entirely avoidable”, a police report said, if Rafaela Vasquez had been paying attention.

Instead, she repeatedly looked down at her phone, glancing up just half a second before the car hit Herzberg. Police said she could faces charges of vehicular manslaughter, but it would be for prosecutors to decide.

The Uber car was in autonomous mode at the time of the crash, but Uber, like other self-driving car developers, requires a back-up driver in the car to intervene when the autonomous system fails or a tricky driving situation occurs...MORE..


Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/22/driver-was-streaming-the-voice-when-uber-self-driving-car-crashed-say-police





- Investigators examine the Uber vehicle involved in the crash in Tempe, Arizona.
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Driver Was Streaming The Voice When Uber Self-Driving Car Crashed, Say Police (Original Post) appalachiablue Jun 2018 OP
It will prove difficult to pay attention bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #1
I guess so, esp. when you're permitted to watch a TV show on a screen. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #3
What is going to really matter though is if Uber told Vasquez that the emergency braking was cstanleytech Jun 2018 #5
Why would Uber not tell her the emerg. brake system was off, and appalachiablue Jun 2018 #6
"Why would Uber not tell her the emerg. brake system was of" cstanleytech Jun 2018 #11
How do you pay attention for hours on end with the knowledge bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #8
Police report. In driving 50 yrs., I've never hit a squirrel, human or object. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #12
Pilots do it while the autopilot is on jiminvegas Jun 2018 #14
Autopilot still requires some pilot inputs, like heading and altitude. NutmegYankee Jun 2018 #19
Charge her with vehicular manslaughter. MicaelS Jun 2018 #2
That might be difficult to win considering the police already faulted Herzberg cstanleytech Jun 2018 #4
The whole concept of a back-up driver in autonomous cars is... brush Jun 2018 #7
Drive, or do not drive, there is no "try." lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #10
Thank you. n/t Coventina Jun 2018 #13
exactly, even if people pay attention at first they will slack off with time JI7 Jun 2018 #18
They forgot to say what song was playing. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #9
Can anyone RATIONALIZE this? Self driving cars. So can we now shirk all responsibility for anything? YOHABLO Jun 2018 #15
should be swell when semi's are on autopilot. pansypoo53219 Jun 2018 #16
yeah, we totally need self-driving cars... NOT. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2018 #17
When you are in a test vehicle, you have to pay DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #20
Not a good analogy. Experimental aircraft are not self-piloting. brush Jun 2018 #21

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
1. It will prove difficult to pay attention
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:15 PM
Jun 2018

when you are the backup driver to a self-driving machine that (almost) does all the work

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
3. I guess so, esp. when you're permitted to watch a TV show on a screen.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jun 2018

Difficult? Then what was the backup driver there for and being paid for on this job? When driving a vehicle the lives of people and animals are at stake, as well as property, all of which the company knows. Indefensible, reckless behavior.

cstanleytech

(26,295 posts)
5. What is going to really matter though is if Uber told Vasquez that the emergency braking was
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:53 PM
Jun 2018

disabled before she drove it.
If they did not then its more Ubers fault than that of Vasquez however if Vasquez was aware then Vasquez will probably be charged though considering Herzberg was crossing the street illegally at the time I doubt the prosecutor will seek much if any jail time.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
6. Why would Uber not tell her the emerg. brake system was off, and
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 04:03 PM
Jun 2018

also knowing that if turned on it can malfunction for any number of reasons.

- "That report showed Uber had disabled the emergency braking system in the Volvo, and Vasquez began braking less than a second after hitting Herzberg."

-"The Uber car was in autonomous mode at the time of the crash, but Uber, like other self-driving car developers, requires a back-up driver in the car to intervene when the autonomous system fails or a tricky driving situation occurs."

- "Uber declined to comment on the police report. The company prohibits the use of any mobile device by safety drivers while the self-driving cars are on a public road, and drivers are told they can be fired for violating this rule."

- "According to a report last month by the US National Transportation Safety Board, which is also investigating the crash, Vasquez told federal investigators she had been monitoring the self-driving interface in the car and that neither her personal nor business phones were in use until after the crash."

Along with inattentive & irresponsible on the job, Vasquez LIED about not using a mobile device which is cause for firing by Uber.
That the victim was a homeless woman was mentioned here; those people are always causing trouble! Actually the residency status of the woman killed by neglect is irrelevant. It could have been a kid or brother of a millionaire or a junkie crossing the highway that night.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/22/driver-was-streaming-the-voice-when-uber-self-driving-car-crashed-say-police

cstanleytech

(26,295 posts)
11. "Why would Uber not tell her the emerg. brake system was of"
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 04:39 PM
Jun 2018

Probably the same reason my pharmacy claims to have faxed my doctor 6 times for paperwork to get my diabetic test strips filled but the doctors office claims they have received nothing and that reason is.........a failure to communicate.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
8. How do you pay attention for hours on end with the knowledge
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 04:32 PM
Jun 2018

you might or might not be needed for one split second? I just don't see how anyone could be that attentive. Most drivers aren't even when they're driving.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
12. Police report. In driving 50 yrs., I've never hit a squirrel, human or object.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 04:41 PM
Jun 2018

"The collision that killed Elaine Herzberg, 49, who was crossing the road at night in Tempe, Arizona, was “entirely avoidable”, a police report said, if Rafaela Vasquez had been paying attention."

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
19. Autopilot still requires some pilot inputs, like heading and altitude.
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:44 AM
Jun 2018

They also have the radio and weather to monitor. And if something malfunctions, the pilots know they will take control. Part of the issue with cars is many drivers wouldn’t be ready to take control.

cstanleytech

(26,295 posts)
4. That might be difficult to win considering the police already faulted Herzberg
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:46 PM
Jun 2018

for crossing illegally.
I am not saying or implying that Vasquez is without blame in this but rather just pointing out it mitigates some of the liability.

brush

(53,789 posts)
7. The whole concept of a back-up driver in autonomous cars is...
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 04:11 PM
Jun 2018

faulty. How do you keep them engaged with their eyes on the road when they have nothing to do 99.99999% of the time—continually electronic pin pricks in their seats?

JI7

(89,252 posts)
18. exactly, even if people pay attention at first they will slack off with time
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:42 AM
Jun 2018

because they will start to trust it more because it will become reliable to them.

i can seriously see people even deciding to take a nap .

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
9. They forgot to say what song was playing.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 04:35 PM
Jun 2018

Though I'm sure the producers of The Voice are grateful for the free plug anyway.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
20. When you are in a test vehicle, you have to pay
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 05:37 AM
Jun 2018

attention. There is just no excuse for her not to have been having her eyes on the road, especially driving in a place with pedestrian traffic and crosswalks. Self-driving cars are still in the testing phase. You never hear of test pilots taking their hands off the controls of experimental aircraft.

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