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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 04:45 PM Jun 2018

Virginia judge rules against Paul Manafort, will let fraud case continue

Source: The Washington Post



By Rachel Weiner
June 26 at 4:31 PM

The prosecution of President Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort will go forward in federal court in Virginia, a judge ruled Tuesday.

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III made waves in May when he grilled prosecutors from the special counsel’s office, questioning whether bank and tax fraud crimes Manafort is accused of committing were outside the scope of their investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

But Ellis ultimately concluded that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III had the right to bring the case, setting the stage for a trial that is scheduled to begin July 25. If there are no further delays, it will be the first case brought by Mueller’s team to come before a jury.

“Although this case will continue, those involved should be sensitive to the danger unleashed when political disagreements are transformed into partisan prosecutions,” the judge wrote.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/virginia-judge-rules-against-paul-manafort-will-let-fraud-case-continue/2018/06/26/b281e982-521e-11e8-a551-5b648abe29ef_story.html

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Virginia judge rules against Paul Manafort, will let fraud case continue (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2018 OP
At least there's some good news today. - n/t Jim__ Jun 2018 #1
GOOD. nt Leghorn21 Jun 2018 #2
Ha! DUers wanted this judge impeached, based on the hearing jberryhill Jun 2018 #3
When did DUers want this judge impeached? ehrnst Jun 2018 #4
I didn't hear it either More_Cowbell Jun 2018 #5
Link please. nt USALiberal Jun 2018 #6
I remember the thread canetoad Jun 2018 #9
Sure, here are several jberryhill Jun 2018 #11
LOL, a little touchy today? Don't take it so personal. nt USALiberal Jun 2018 #16
You're welcome jberryhill Jun 2018 #17
This will make you feel all better jberryhill Jun 2018 #18
I remember the threads too. And here's the thing GusBob Jun 2018 #21
At least... tonedevil Jun 2018 #20
I recall that... IthinkThereforeIAM Jun 2018 #8
That's what I thought SonofDonald Jun 2018 #12
Grilling side that has leading edge in judge's mind makes the decision more resistant to reversal Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #13
I was just about to post about that and how you were the voice of experience onenote Jun 2018 #14
This, plus GusBob Jun 2018 #22
This is the reason I love DU! lunatica Jun 2018 #26
Trial begins in one month OldManTarHeel Jun 2018 #7
After the ruling by the DC judge, I expected this ruling Gothmog Jun 2018 #10
His last paragraph is nauseating jberryhill Jun 2018 #15
It's stupefyingly stupid. onenote Jun 2018 #23
It's as if he doesn't know what his job is jberryhill Jun 2018 #24
You know who's going to be the most angry about this? TrollBuster9090 Jun 2018 #19
It's a weird little thing at the end jberryhill Jun 2018 #25
Manafort must be under a death warrant from Putin; seems to prefer jail time to cooperating. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #27
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. Ha! DUers wanted this judge impeached, based on the hearing
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 04:55 PM
Jun 2018

It really wasn't a difficult question and, yeah, he grilled the prosecution. That's normal, and should be normal in every criminal prosecution.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
5. I didn't hear it either
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:04 PM
Jun 2018

Everything I read (it might not have been here, though) said that Judge Ellis is always hard on the side that he thinks he will rule for.

canetoad

(17,184 posts)
9. I remember the thread
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:22 PM
Jun 2018

And JBerryhill is correct.

To find it try doing an advanced search using Manafort as a keyword. Might have been about three months ago.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. Sure, here are several
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:27 PM
Jun 2018

How about you pay attention to what goes on at DU:


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210579242

And then there's U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis attacking Mueller sounding like Sean Hannity. An old psychopath weasel who never had a problem with prosecutors throwing the book at poor folk.



https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210577321

Call on Manafort Trial Judge to Recuse Himself
This is absolutely inappropriate and should grounds to demand that Judge Ellis recuse himself from this case. The statements are so obviously blatant and biased that the only reason they do not come as surprise is exactly because we are living in the Trump era. This is an absolute shame, and his behavior is a mockery of the oath he was supposed to have taken as a judge. Something needs to be done about this pronto.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210576918

Come November if we still have elections, perhaps an investigation of this assclown will be in order.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10576935

This guy has been compromised

He's either in deep some how, some way, or is a god damned idiot. My money's on both.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2053250

The intentions of this judge are clear and just another case why there should never be lifetime appointments.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10576233

Another politician in a robe following gis orders

If dems take congress maybe they should think about eliminating courts with republican judges



You want more?

There was a mass freakout after that hearing and DUers called this judge every name in the book.

There are always those who talk a game about the "rule of law", but are more interested in tearing it down.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
21. I remember the threads too. And here's the thing
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 07:57 PM
Jun 2018

The media reports from that day painted the story completely wrong, like the judge yelled at the prosecutors and they were losing, etc. Even Trump fell for it!

Jeberryhill attempted to bring some experienced sanity into the discussion

And he was right. This sort of thing is what makes DU rock

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,077 posts)
8. I recall that...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:19 PM
Jun 2018

... I also recall mentioning that the lower level judges, ie... not appeals judges, need to have their ducks in a row the first time around, or they have it handed back to them on appeal.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,040 posts)
13. Grilling side that has leading edge in judge's mind makes the decision more resistant to reversal
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:36 PM
Jun 2018

..., if I understand things correctly. The judge can address in advance most arguments for reversal.

"You didn't consider such-and-such!"

"Actually, I did and I wrote about it on page 123 through 127 of my decision, with precedents cited. I found that neither the law nor the facts supported those grounds."

onenote

(42,759 posts)
14. I was just about to post about that and how you were the voice of experience
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:36 PM
Jun 2018

that some people just couldn't bring themselves to trust.

Maybe this will serve as a reminder that DU has members that actually know things, rather than just react to things and while there is a place and time when venting makes sense, it also is a good idea for folks to stop and listen occasionally.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
26. This is the reason I love DU!
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:30 AM
Jun 2018

There are times that I hear the news but I’m not sure what to think, like the Supreme Court ruling yesterday, so I come to DU to get educated. Through the years I’ve gotten very valuable knowledge that has impacted my life deeply.

And the cherry on top of it all is the wonderful humor that permeates DU.

Gothmog

(145,558 posts)
10. After the ruling by the DC judge, I expected this ruling
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:24 PM
Jun 2018

The DC opinion was well written and the Virginia judge would have a hard time distinguishing that opinion

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. His last paragraph is nauseating
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:43 PM
Jun 2018

Here's the opinion, by the way, for those who prefer direct sources instead of storytellers:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.383106/gov.uscourts.vaed.383106.97.0_30.pdf

His last paragraph is really dumb, and would have best been left out. My response to it was, "Hey, Judge, do you suppose you have some role in preventing that from happening?"

And, he does a little armchair quarterbacking with his footnote about a bi-partisan commission or, I guess, "anything that doesn't involve me as an active part of the system of checks and balances."

onenote

(42,759 posts)
23. It's stupefyingly stupid.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:42 PM
Jun 2018

He decries the Special Counsel investigation as inserting partisanship into the process when, in fact, the Special Counsel was selected specifically to avoid partisanship that would be inherent if the investigation was left in the hands of the DOJ of the administration that allegedly benefitted from (and possibly was a participant in) the election interference being investigated.

And a "bipartisan" commission is a singularly bad idea. By its very nature it blesses a partisan approach, with each side reaching their own conclusions as to whether there is probable cause that crimes have been committed and then leaving the decision as to whether to proceed in the hands of the DOJ that is going to be associated with one of the parties.

I know that judges sometimes like to get on a soapbox, but this was a major swing and a miss.

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
19. You know who's going to be the most angry about this?
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 07:48 PM
Jun 2018
Dipshit Hannity.

Hannity quotes Judge T.S. Ellis III's rant almost every night on his show. (Half the time accidentally calling him 'T.S. ELIOT III' by mistake.)



But I'm a little bit puzzled by this.

“Although this case will continue, those involved should be sensitive to the danger unleashed when political disagreements are transformed into partisan prosecutions,” the judge wrote.


Is he referring to Manafort, or CLINTON (Stzrok, Page, Comey, Rosenstein....etc.)?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
27. Manafort must be under a death warrant from Putin; seems to prefer jail time to cooperating.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 02:31 PM
Jun 2018

That probably means any deal with Mueller will have to include Federal Witness Protection.

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