Virginia judge rules against Paul Manafort, will let fraud case continue
Source: The Washington Post
By Rachel Weiner
June 26 at 4:31 PM
The prosecution of President Trumps former campaign manager Paul Manafort will go forward in federal court in Virginia, a judge ruled Tuesday.
U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III made waves in May when he grilled prosecutors from the special counsels office, questioning whether bank and tax fraud crimes Manafort is accused of committing were outside the scope of their investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election.
But Ellis ultimately concluded that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III had the right to bring the case, setting the stage for a trial that is scheduled to begin July 25. If there are no further delays, it will be the first case brought by Muellers team to come before a jury.
Although this case will continue, those involved should be sensitive to the danger unleashed when political disagreements are transformed into partisan prosecutions, the judge wrote.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/virginia-judge-rules-against-paul-manafort-will-let-fraud-case-continue/2018/06/26/b281e982-521e-11e8-a551-5b648abe29ef_story.html
Jim__
(14,083 posts)Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It really wasn't a difficult question and, yeah, he grilled the prosecution. That's normal, and should be normal in every criminal prosecution.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I missed that.
More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)Everything I read (it might not have been here, though) said that Judge Ellis is always hard on the side that he thinks he will rule for.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)canetoad
(17,184 posts)And JBerryhill is correct.
To find it try doing an advanced search using Manafort as a keyword. Might have been about three months ago.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)How about you pay attention to what goes on at DU:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210579242
And then there's U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis attacking Mueller sounding like Sean Hannity. An old psychopath weasel who never had a problem with prosecutors throwing the book at poor folk.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210577321
Call on Manafort Trial Judge to Recuse Himself
This is absolutely inappropriate and should grounds to demand that Judge Ellis recuse himself from this case. The statements are so obviously blatant and biased that the only reason they do not come as surprise is exactly because we are living in the Trump era. This is an absolute shame, and his behavior is a mockery of the oath he was supposed to have taken as a judge. Something needs to be done about this pronto.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210576918
Come November if we still have elections, perhaps an investigation of this assclown will be in order.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10576935
This guy has been compromised
He's either in deep some how, some way, or is a god damned idiot. My money's on both.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2053250
The intentions of this judge are clear and just another case why there should never be lifetime appointments.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10576233
Another politician in a robe following gis orders
If dems take congress maybe they should think about eliminating courts with republican judges
You want more?
There was a mass freakout after that hearing and DUers called this judge every name in the book.
There are always those who talk a game about the "rule of law", but are more interested in tearing it down.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Are you not happy with your links?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)The media reports from that day painted the story completely wrong, like the judge yelled at the prosecutors and they were losing, etc. Even Trump fell for it!
Jeberryhill attempted to bring some experienced sanity into the discussion
And he was right. This sort of thing is what makes DU rock
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)you have the exceptional strength of character to keep from gloating.
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,077 posts)... I also recall mentioning that the lower level judges, ie... not appeals judges, need to have their ducks in a row the first time around, or they have it handed back to them on appeal.
SonofDonald
(2,050 posts)He's dotting the I's and crossing the T's so there won't be any questions later on.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,040 posts)..., if I understand things correctly. The judge can address in advance most arguments for reversal.
"You didn't consider such-and-such!"
"Actually, I did and I wrote about it on page 123 through 127 of my decision, with precedents cited. I found that neither the law nor the facts supported those grounds."
onenote
(42,759 posts)that some people just couldn't bring themselves to trust.
Maybe this will serve as a reminder that DU has members that actually know things, rather than just react to things and while there is a place and time when venting makes sense, it also is a good idea for folks to stop and listen occasionally.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)Stop, listen, read things thru, try to understand
Not just occasionally, all the time
lunatica
(53,410 posts)There are times that I hear the news but Im not sure what to think, like the Supreme Court ruling yesterday, so I come to DU to get educated. Through the years Ive gotten very valuable knowledge that has impacted my life deeply.
And the cherry on top of it all is the wonderful humor that permeates DU.
OldManTarHeel
(435 posts)May this scumbag never see the light of day again.
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)The DC opinion was well written and the Virginia judge would have a hard time distinguishing that opinion
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Here's the opinion, by the way, for those who prefer direct sources instead of storytellers:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.383106/gov.uscourts.vaed.383106.97.0_30.pdf
His last paragraph is really dumb, and would have best been left out. My response to it was, "Hey, Judge, do you suppose you have some role in preventing that from happening?"
And, he does a little armchair quarterbacking with his footnote about a bi-partisan commission or, I guess, "anything that doesn't involve me as an active part of the system of checks and balances."
onenote
(42,759 posts)He decries the Special Counsel investigation as inserting partisanship into the process when, in fact, the Special Counsel was selected specifically to avoid partisanship that would be inherent if the investigation was left in the hands of the DOJ of the administration that allegedly benefitted from (and possibly was a participant in) the election interference being investigated.
And a "bipartisan" commission is a singularly bad idea. By its very nature it blesses a partisan approach, with each side reaching their own conclusions as to whether there is probable cause that crimes have been committed and then leaving the decision as to whether to proceed in the hands of the DOJ that is going to be associated with one of the parties.
I know that judges sometimes like to get on a soapbox, but this was a major swing and a miss.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)Hannity quotes Judge T.S. Ellis III's rant almost every night on his show. (Half the time accidentally calling him 'T.S. ELIOT III' by mistake.)
But I'm a little bit puzzled by this.
Although this case will continue, those involved should be sensitive to the danger unleashed when political disagreements are transformed into partisan prosecutions, the judge wrote.
Is he referring to Manafort, or CLINTON (Stzrok, Page, Comey, Rosenstein....etc.)?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)But of no real consequence.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)That probably means any deal with Mueller will have to include Federal Witness Protection.