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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:22 AM Aug 2018

143-mph 'fire tornado' that left a path of destruction in Redding is an ominous sign

Source: The Los Angeles Times



By RONG-GONG LIN II , JOSEPH SERNA and LOUIS SAHAGUN AUG 03, 2018 | 4:00 AM| REDDING

As authorities sifted the rubble from the fire that burned more than 1,000 residences in Shasta County, they were startled by what they encountered.

A soaring transmission tower was tipped over. Tiles were torn off the roofs of homes. Massive trees were uprooted. Vehicles were moved. In one spot, a fence post was bent around a tree, with the bark on one side sheared off.

This was not typical wildfire damage. Rather, it was strong evidence of a giant, powerful spinning vortex that accompanied the Carr fire on July 26. The tornado-like condition, lasting an hour and a half and fueled by extreme heat and intensely dry brush as California heats up to record levels, was captured in dramatic videos that have come to symbolize the destructive power of what is now California’s sixth-most destructive fire.

It may take years before scientists come to a consensus on what to exactly call this vortex — a fire whirl, as named by the National Weather Service, or a fire tornado. Whatever it’s called, it’s exceptionally rare to see a well-documented fire-fueled vortex leap out of a wildfire and enter a populated area with such size, power and duration.


Read more: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-redding-tornado-destruction-20180802-htmlstory.html

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143-mph 'fire tornado' that left a path of destruction in Redding is an ominous sign (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2018 OP
Still no word from my Brother in the area..... ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2018 #1
I hope you hear rom your brother and other family soon csziggy Aug 2018 #4
It was a devastating fire. Lots of shattered lives. sdfernando Aug 2018 #6
There's a recent video on YouTube, dixiegrrrrl Aug 2018 #2
That was on the Colorado River, near Blythe Brother Buzz Aug 2018 #14
thank you, buzz. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2018 #28
thank you, buzz. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2018 #31
our whole country will turn into climate changed vast desert if we don't change drastically Sunlei Aug 2018 #3
There's a chapter about grazing in the book "The Mad Cowboy." CrispyQ Aug 2018 #8
can even see the land changes in old westerns filmed in California. removing wildlife Sunlei Aug 2018 #9
Not these. Igel Aug 2018 #22
no they're not, they are a native species. the lands were ALSO pristine 300 yrs ago. Sunlei Aug 2018 #24
And just down the road in Oroville, they're repairing the dam's spillway ffr Aug 2018 #5
The warning signs have been ignored sdfernando Aug 2018 #7
same here with near houston, tx dam- 50 inches of rain in a week will happen again soon. Sunlei Aug 2018 #11
God provided man with the earth to exploit for his.... magicarpet Aug 2018 #10
God? and be sure to place your summer mansions well away from extremes in climate. Sunlei Aug 2018 #13
Two phrases. Igel Aug 2018 #23
Third phase- Mix well, add a huge amount of Saharan Dust. bake at 108+ for entire summer. Sunlei Aug 2018 #26
'fire tornado' New Hampshire Man Aug 2018 #12
The tornado was only spitting out "maneaters". dubyadiprecession Aug 2018 #27
reminds me of the Peshtigo Fire elmac Aug 2018 #15
The GOP are thrilled. All this just means Jesus comes soon! Coventina Aug 2018 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author AllaN01Bear Aug 2018 #18
God is already 'here'. One of first thing to learn in Sunday school is "God is everywhere" Sunlei Aug 2018 #25
eep !!!!! AllaN01Bear Aug 2018 #17
The Goddess is coming, and is She pissed Hekate Aug 2018 #19
She never left and She really pissed WhiteTara Aug 2018 #29
Wow! Soxfan58 Aug 2018 #20
Someone upstairs is not happy, goats and fireballs sure sign of the apocalypse Pepsidog Aug 2018 #21
2003 Canberra fire tornado: dalton99a Aug 2018 #30
Gee...I wonder when we're going to start feeling the effects of climate change ElementaryPenguin Aug 2018 #32
Read The Big Burn by Timothy Egan DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #33
The 1923 kanto Earthquake is the Worst example of a Fire Tornado. NutmegYankee Aug 2018 #34

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
1. Still no word from my Brother in the area.....
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:33 AM
Aug 2018


Cell service is down in many spots. Last I heard was a week ago. I have other family in the area as well.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
2. There's a recent video on YouTube,
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:36 AM
Aug 2018

that shows the fire producing a waterspout...actually a firespout, on a river, I think it is the Sacramento river,you can see the fire ON the river, ash falling from it as it moves along.

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
14. That was on the Colorado River, near Blythe
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:32 AM
Aug 2018

And at the end of the day the scientists will probably determine it didn't rise to the magnitude to be called a firetornado. I'm guessing that waterspout was short lived as it was fueled by the fire and it ran out of fuel when it hit the river. Nevertheless they coexisted for that short magical moment.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
3. our whole country will turn into climate changed vast desert if we don't change drastically
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:43 AM
Aug 2018

includes using the rising seas to our advantage to bring water into the interior states. water that evaporates is FRESH WATER & rains down as fresh water.

currently vast expanses of our public lands have few grazing wildlife and are over grazed cattle/sheep scorched earth.

only a couple hundred years ago vast herds of wildlife roamed North America and the lands were renewed constantly by the vast herds (spreading seeds & manure) and pristine with grasses & trees. and water.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
8. There's a chapter about grazing in the book "The Mad Cowboy."
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:09 AM
Aug 2018

I had no idea the impact of grazing until I read that chapter.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
9. can even see the land changes in old westerns filmed in California. removing wildlife
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:22 AM
Aug 2018

including wild horses (horses evolved in North America & are excellent grazing species at renewing lands) removing grazing wildlife hurts the land.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
22. Not these.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:46 PM
Aug 2018

Native horses died out maybe 10k years ago, so what we think of as "untainted" resulted from a long-term adjustment to their absence. "Nature" got along fine without them.

These horses are cute but not native, and have different habits and a different effect on the environment. These are an intrusive species and, apart from cuteness and contrarianism, should go away and let the native species do their work.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
24. no they're not, they are a native species. the lands were ALSO pristine 300 yrs ago.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 03:15 PM
Aug 2018

300 years ago when millions of wild horses spread grass seed along with natural fertilizer far & wide.

over 54 million years of evolution started in North America, the horse is responsible for Americas great American grasslands. They can heal the lands they live on.



ffr

(22,670 posts)
5. And just down the road in Oroville, they're repairing the dam's spillway
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:00 AM
Aug 2018

Because of bizarre 100 year flooding that nearly took out the damn one year back. As beautiful and awesome as nature is, it is also getting freakish.

sdfernando

(4,935 posts)
7. The warning signs have been ignored
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:03 AM
Aug 2018

Al Gore desperately tried to get something done. Rethugs are scum! didn't lift a finger and now want to make things worse.

I believe we have already past the tipping point. You think the government is going to be honest about that? Hell no they won't for fear of the consequences. It is going to get really ugly in the next 20 to 50 years.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
11. same here with near houston, tx dam- 50 inches of rain in a week will happen again soon.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:26 AM
Aug 2018

and Texas does nothing to collect, divert, plan for or use the next "extreme rain". State government just lets it flood everyone.

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
10. God provided man with the earth to exploit for his....
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:23 AM
Aug 2018

..... purposes and exert his domain over it's natural species and resources for his benefits alone.

Be fruitful and multiply, rape and pillage because God said it was okie dokie in the good book.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
13. God? and be sure to place your summer mansions well away from extremes in climate.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:30 AM
Aug 2018

shitty lands & crappy schools are for peons, your Realtors & insurance agents are happy to help.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
26. Third phase- Mix well, add a huge amount of Saharan Dust. bake at 108+ for entire summer.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 03:38 PM
Aug 2018

Saharan Dust From Africa

The Weather Channel

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
15. reminds me of the Peshtigo Fire
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:09 PM
Aug 2018

the fire storm wiped out a town, killing between 1500-2500. It happened on the exact same day as the great Chicago fire and a huge fire that devastated Northern MI.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
16. The GOP are thrilled. All this just means Jesus comes soon!
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:14 PM
Aug 2018

The sooner the earth is trashed the better, according to them.

Response to Coventina (Reply #16)

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
25. God is already 'here'. One of first thing to learn in Sunday school is "God is everywhere"
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 03:30 PM
Aug 2018
second comers shouldn't waste their lives in worry, but if that's how they want to spend their time

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
19. The Goddess is coming, and is She pissed
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:44 PM
Aug 2018

I don't even have words for how terrifying those descriptions are.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
33. Read The Big Burn by Timothy Egan
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:21 AM
Aug 2018

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about the 1910 fire that spanned Washington, Montana and Idaho with very similar characteristics. The 1910 fire was so violent, it burned an area the size of Connecticut in 1 weekend.

NutmegYankee

(16,200 posts)
34. The 1923 kanto Earthquake is the Worst example of a Fire Tornado.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:29 AM
Aug 2018

The single greatest loss of life was caused by a fire tornado that engulfed the Rikugun Honjo Hifukusho (formerly the Army Clothing Depot) in downtown Tokyo, where about 38,000 people were incinerated after taking shelter there following the earthquake.

Basically people had gone to this location to escape the flames, but the violent wind drafts whipped up a fire tornado and it swirled over the crowd killing almost everyone. If you decide to search for photos, be warned. It's bodies as far as the eye can see.

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