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Saviolo

(3,283 posts)
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:15 PM Aug 2018

Pence outlines plan for new Space Force by 2020

Source: APNews

WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Mike Pence has announced plans for a new, separate U.S. Space Force as sixth military service by 2020

Pence says it’s needed to ensure America’s dominance in space amid heightened competition and threats from China and Russia. He says that while space was once peaceful and uncontested, it is now crowded and adversarial.

President Donald Trump has called for a “separate but equal” space force. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis has endorsed plans to reorganize the military’s space warfighting forces and create a new command, but has previously opposed launching an expensive separate new service.

Read more: https://apnews.com/4df1085b19d54e9b864e857012fecbb6/Pence-outlines-plan-for-new-Space-Force-by-2020



And this response by the president:


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Pence outlines plan for new Space Force by 2020 (Original Post) Saviolo Aug 2018 OP
Space is "crowded"? awesomerwb1 Aug 2018 #1
Believe it or not, it is MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #29
Relative to A, it's crowded. Relative to B, it's vast in its emptiness. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #30
And . . . . MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #31
I know about the junk awesomerwb1 Aug 2018 #32
Although...it looks real...this one looks ...Onionish to me..... Stuart G Aug 2018 #2
I think Donald just wanted an excuse to use the phrase "Seperate but equal" Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #15
sad that Mattis is going along with this. riversedge Aug 2018 #3
Is he a scientist? This is the admin that scrubbed the word science from every source it could. notdarkyet Aug 2018 #5
Better than spending on stupid healthcare right? n/t hibbing Aug 2018 #4
the military industrial complex elmac Aug 2018 #6
Yeah - this space force thing is a load of horse shit. SpankMe Aug 2018 #7
a new way for the weapons industry to syphon off huge bucks from the gummint rurallib Aug 2018 #9
I'm trying to imagine Joe Biden making that same speech. I can't. lamp_shade Aug 2018 #8
Infinity and Beyond......................... turbinetree Aug 2018 #10
They all need to read the plaque we left on the moon. Mr.Bill Aug 2018 #11
The first time I saw this today PatSeg Aug 2018 #12
We already have a Space Force. Srkdqltr Aug 2018 #13
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #14
My nomination for Secretary of the Space Force ..... marble falls Aug 2018 #16
Will its forces be called "Space cadets?" CTyankee Aug 2018 #17
Those'll be the students at the Space Academy. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #23
Space, the final boondoggle.....n/t bronxiteforever Aug 2018 #18
The USAF will fight this tooth and nail. Scurrilous Aug 2018 #19
Yep. paleotn Aug 2018 #22
Did the Army fight in 1947, when the Army's Air Corps was split off ... JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #24
Tooth and nail.... paleotn Aug 2018 #37
Space Force - USA Equinox Moon Aug 2018 #20
"...Congress - not the president-would need to authorize a new military service" Equinox Moon Aug 2018 #21
I've figured it out...with a pencil and a pad I HAVE FIGURED IT OUT.... Stuart G Aug 2018 #25
And it was also a movie with Doris day lunasun Aug 2018 #45
Space force get the red out Aug 2018 #26
Where's the money Solo? djacq Aug 2018 #27
We should make robots like the Cylons.... Delarage Aug 2018 #28
Has to be military Bayard Aug 2018 #33
Maybe we could combine the funds for Trump's most genius ideas... jcgoldie Aug 2018 #34
How ironic Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2018 #35
This shit makes my head hurt. Hotler Aug 2018 #36
Wait until Trump puts a tariff on space and skims the fees bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #38
This Ought To Be Pretty Cheap ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #39
As I saw on Twitter today: Saviolo Aug 2018 #40
Nice Find!!! (eom) ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #44
hell yes! at last, a proper place... bringthePaine Aug 2018 #41
A shiny Gish Gallop intended to waste our time. maxsolomon Aug 2018 #42
This is gonna be great! bluedigger Aug 2018 #43
Yes - I suggest a base on the Sun first. Le Gaucher Aug 2018 #46
Yes! Saviolo Aug 2018 #47

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
29. Believe it or not, it is
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:49 PM
Aug 2018

The orbits that are useful for satellites are very finite and are full of both satellites and junk.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
30. Relative to A, it's crowded. Relative to B, it's vast in its emptiness.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:52 PM
Aug 2018

Most often, A and B are objective measures.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
31. And . . . .
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:57 PM
Aug 2018

What does that have to do with the fact that key satellites are frequently breaking because they bump into crap?

Note, I am not defending Trump or his new bureaucracy, but the simple fact is, yes, usable space is crowded and yes, bad actors like our buddy Putin have weapon designed to "de-orbit" critical infrastructure satellites.

The problems are real. It just that this solution is stupid.

Stuart G

(38,453 posts)
2. Although...it looks real...this one looks ...Onionish to me.....
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:21 PM
Aug 2018

Do you like that new word I just made up???? onionish...??.......

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,219 posts)
15. I think Donald just wanted an excuse to use the phrase "Seperate but equal"
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:04 PM
Aug 2018

And manage to get away with it.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
5. Is he a scientist? This is the admin that scrubbed the word science from every source it could.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:28 PM
Aug 2018

How do you think you will build a space force without technical know how? I know someone who has spent years working on rockfuel that would resign before working for nefarious purposes.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
6. the military industrial complex
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:28 PM
Aug 2018

that President Eisenhower warned us about has just become bat shit crazy.

SpankMe

(2,970 posts)
7. Yeah - this space force thing is a load of horse shit.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:28 PM
Aug 2018

The USAF Space Command is doing a great job at military space, and it works well with the other branches. This "Space Force" farce will just add another bureaucracy to the Pentagon and make it harder to do business between the branches.

Frankly, if I was a new POTUS wanting to invent a new branch of the military that was really necessary to fulfill an urgent need, I'd create a US Cyber Force to cover the amazingly perilous future of cyber war. Believe me - it's the next real frontier of "armed" engagement between nations.

!@$cyber

rurallib

(62,465 posts)
9. a new way for the weapons industry to syphon off huge bucks from the gummint
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:35 PM
Aug 2018

And it will become yet another giant black hole that will suck all our money.
Then there won't be any money for food stamps or health care or social security or vets or education or ....................

PatSeg

(47,649 posts)
12. The first time I saw this today
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:47 PM
Aug 2018

I laughed out loud. Poor Mikey has to go out there and make a fool out of himself for the boss and Trump is probably laughing his ass off.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
22. Yep.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:44 PM
Aug 2018

And rightly so. USAF Space Command has this covered. The idea of a separate branch for this is incredibly stupid.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
37. Tooth and nail....
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:33 PM
Aug 2018

But the Army Air Force's footprint was huge at the time. They were for all practical purposes a separate service during WWII. The USAF has Space Command and that's about it. Hell, NASA can't even get Americans into LEO anymore.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
20. Space Force - USA
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:37 PM
Aug 2018






Trump can't start a new branch of the military.
Congress, not the president, would need to authorize a new military service

Stuart G

(38,453 posts)
25. I've figured it out...with a pencil and a pad I HAVE FIGURED IT OUT....
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:14 PM
Aug 2018

(that is from a play.. Pajama Game, play from the 50s, I know you haven't heard of it..few have)........................................ok.here is the answer.................................................................


Yes ...let us have a Space Force...(.send Pence and Mr. Orange up as soon as possible..)...no training...and leave them up there to go around and around and around..sure...give em enough food to last a lifetime..up there going around and around and around and around........

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
26. Space force
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:16 PM
Aug 2018

Trump started talking about how big the ocean was when he was asked when help would get to Puerto Rico after the hurricane!!!!!

djacq

(1,634 posts)
27. Where's the money Solo?
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:22 PM
Aug 2018

Once the House flips, what makes Orange Clown and Snow Top think that funding will be approved?

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,304 posts)
35. How ironic
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:06 PM
Aug 2018

The most anti-science administration in a long time wants this.

That actually is the scary part.

bucolic_frolic

(43,364 posts)
38. Wait until Trump puts a tariff on space and skims the fees
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:41 PM
Aug 2018

A Space Cash Cow is still a Cash Cow with plenty of tax incentives and without the competition of say, hotels, casinos, or golf courses

ProfessorGAC

(65,248 posts)
39. This Ought To Be Pretty Cheap
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:55 PM
Aug 2018

Geez, what a dumb idea! Like Gomer to Barney in the Andy and Helen get engaged (not) episode "What a dumb trick! Barney don't you ever call me dumb again. What a dumb trick."

The cost of just sending a routine patrol would require disbanding the marines.

Saviolo

(3,283 posts)
40. As I saw on Twitter today:
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:02 PM
Aug 2018



Mikel Jollett
@Mikel_Jollett

Medicare for all: “Too expensive!”

Infrastructure: “Too expensive!”

Good schools: “Too expensive!”

Job training: “Too expensive!”

A living wage: “Too expensive!”

A whole new branch of the military but set in space, where no one lives:

“Oh yeah, we can afford that!”

bringthePaine

(1,733 posts)
41. hell yes! at last, a proper place...
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:09 PM
Aug 2018

to put all of his Space Cadets! Miserable Assholes' Galactic Armada🚀💩

maxsolomon

(33,432 posts)
42. A shiny Gish Gallop intended to waste our time.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:37 PM
Aug 2018

Watch as Trump campaigns on this issue for the next 2 years, accusing Dems of not caring if we give space to our enemies.

bluedigger

(17,087 posts)
43. This is gonna be great!
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:40 PM
Aug 2018

Once we undertake a brief, inexpensive research and development program, we can begin fielding the space targeting lasers, and smiting the Enemies of Democracy from Space as God has provided. We can start by scorching poppy and coca fields from the sky, eliminating funding sources for terrorists, and as precision targeting improves, hit cannabis growers from Maine to California, destroying the libtards will to resist in their own backyards, and clearing the field for Big Pharma to supply opioides for the proles. Triple win. At least.

 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
46. Yes - I suggest a base on the Sun first.
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:11 AM
Aug 2018

Plenty of Solar and Nuclear Energy to harness and use against the enemies of the Milky way galaxy.

Saviolo

(3,283 posts)
47. Yes!
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:41 AM
Aug 2018

And Trump and Pence can go and administer that one in person. Send Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon, too. I'd say send Ted Cruz as well, but he already looks like he's melting.

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