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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 08:53 PM Aug 2018

Florida candidate apologizes amid fake-diploma controversy, says she will stay in race

Source: Orlando Sentinel

A Republican candidate for the Florida Legislature apologized Monday for saying she had a college degree that she didn't complete, but said she will stay in the race "and lead by example from now on."

Melissa Howard last week posted a photo of herself with what looked like a Miami University diploma after being accused of lying about her degree. The Ohio university later sent reporters a statement saying she attended the school, but never graduated and the diploma Howard posted has inaccuracies.

Howard posted an apology on her campaign Facebook page and admitted she didn't graduate from the school.

"I made a mistake in saying that I completed my degree. What I did was wrong and set a bad example for someone seeking public service. I am staying in the race and intend to win and lead by example from now on," she said.

Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-melissa-howard-fake-diploma-20180813-story.html



Of course she'll stay in and continue her campaign after being publicly busted for lying to the voters.

It's the Republican way.
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Florida candidate apologizes amid fake-diploma controversy, says she will stay in race (Original Post) Zorro Aug 2018 OP
How our world has changed! leftieNanner Aug 2018 #1
That's beyond just fudging her resume a bit. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #2
The intent of posing with a diploma seems obvious unblock Aug 2018 #11
No one in Florida would care if she went to Miami University jmowreader Aug 2018 #22
Lol, so even her bringing up Miami u was trying to defraud voters! unblock Aug 2018 #44
Howard is from Ohio and did claim to graduate from Miami University csziggy Aug 2018 #56
she FUCKING KNEW all to well she didn't graduate.. AZ8theist Aug 2018 #20
Exactly, and she tried to fake a diploma to back up her lie. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #24
So someone who lied and tried to scam the voters still has integrity in repuke land? kimbutgar Aug 2018 #3
Sarasota GOP Chair Joe Gruters is Howard's campaign treasurer Zorro Aug 2018 #4
Not only did she lie, she got busted on it, and then doubled down with that picture of her "diploma" RockRaven Aug 2018 #5
Repugs have different rules. Lie once and get caught? Then lie again and it's a double negative. erronis Aug 2018 #17
Is she a primary candidate..or the final Republican candidate? Stuart G Aug 2018 #6
Lead by example - now? Too little, too late. bitterross Aug 2018 #7
Well...even some Trumpers may not support a "convicted liar".."proven liar" Stuart G Aug 2018 #9
I thought they already showed that they'll vote for a lying pResident. And congress critters. erronis Aug 2018 #19
Her name is on the ballot already. I'm curious to see what they do. bitterross Aug 2018 #41
She should lead by example by quitting in disgrace Renew Deal Aug 2018 #8
Yes, drop out and let an honest person run. Qutzupalotl Aug 2018 #10
It is the republican primary GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #27
An example of no integrity. keithbvadu2 Aug 2018 #12
"From now on", eh? Well alrighty then. She needs to leave. marble falls Aug 2018 #13
She may not survive the Repub primary to be held August 28 Kaleva Aug 2018 #14
Half of me hopes she wins a contentious primary by four or so votes. marble falls Aug 2018 #16
Accused of lying about having a degree from Miami University in Ohio, she went a dug a deep hole Kaleva Aug 2018 #21
Thats was gets me. She posted the photo to prove she really had a diploma after ... marble falls Aug 2018 #26
She should be prosecuted. Wanna bet? n/t rzemanfl Aug 2018 #31
According to the internet.....She is running against two other for the Republican nomination.. Stuart G Aug 2018 #15
She's facing a Repub in the primary and the other is the Dem nominee if she wins the primary Kaleva Aug 2018 #23
Here is a question that the media should ask her. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #18
She's a goddamned coward. You've got to send her a friend request in order to comment on catbyte Aug 2018 #25
She sounds like a playground cheater with that statement n/t tom_kelly Aug 2018 #28
Sigh, while shaking head. old guy Aug 2018 #29
I hope voters set an example by not voting for a liar that thought is was ok to pretend Freethinker65 Aug 2018 #30
I'm not a professional clairvoyant.. Permanut Aug 2018 #32
Hell she will fit right in to bluestarone Aug 2018 #33
I thought ellie Aug 2018 #34
One sentence defines her, ""I made a mistake in saying that I completed my degree." Stuart G Aug 2018 #35
Howard said, "It was not my intent to deceive or mislead anyone." left-of-center2012 Aug 2018 #36
Yes, it was her intent to deceive and mislead everyone..Her intent was NOT to get caught! Stuart G Aug 2018 #38
LOL RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #37
"the diploma Howard posted has inaccuracies." Inaccuracies? Yeah, it was outright fake. YOHABLO Aug 2018 #39
lol Solly Mack Aug 2018 #40
Florida's best. Baitball Blogger Aug 2018 #42
Turns out that fraud is illegal in Florida nuxvomica Aug 2018 #43
Of course she will stay in the race karin_sj Aug 2018 #45
Oops, I made a mistake. So sorry. I couldn't hep mahself. sprinkleeninow Aug 2018 #46
She has a BS degree. 3catwoman3 Aug 2018 #47
No, you didn't "make a mistake". SergeStorms Aug 2018 #48
These people lie and cheat their way through life. joshcryer Aug 2018 #49
How much did she spend to have a fake diploma printed and MOUNTED? BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #50
redumbliCONS lie about everything while thinking they deserve a pass. democratisphere Aug 2018 #51
IOKALAYAAR Again Vogon_Glory Aug 2018 #52
I wonder if she took these class ...................... turbinetree Aug 2018 #53
"from now on" LOL! Nitram Aug 2018 #54
This woman has shown herself to be a liar and shown what she thinks of voters. raccoon Aug 2018 #55

leftieNanner

(15,100 posts)
1. How our world has changed!
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 08:54 PM
Aug 2018

ANY time before El Trumpo showed up, this would have been an INSTANT resignation or dropping out.

This makes me sick.

Again and again and again.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
2. That's beyond just fudging her resume a bit.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 08:56 PM
Aug 2018

She actually created or forged a phony diploma and was photographed with it to "prove" she had graduated. She didn't make a mistake; she flat-out lied and went to a fair amount of effort to do it. But she thinks she should continue her campaign? In better times her party would have run her out of town on a rail.

"In her statement, Howard said, "It was not my intent to deceive or mislead anyone." It didn't say what her intent was."

unblock

(52,227 posts)
11. The intent of posing with a diploma seems obvious
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:11 PM
Aug 2018

She could have posed with all manner of Miami University paraphernalia if she merely wanted to convey that she went there, or even just had school spirit.

Showing a diploma makes a pretty specific statement.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
22. No one in Florida would care if she went to Miami University
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:32 PM
Aug 2018

The one that's in Florida is the University of Miami. (They have a U on their football helmets.)

Miami University is in Ohio's Miami Valley.

unblock

(52,227 posts)
44. Lol, so even her bringing up Miami u was trying to defraud voters!
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 10:47 PM
Aug 2018

I actually know all about Miami u, my brother went there. And actually graduated, lol.

Didn't catch that this was in Florida....

Actually that would explain why the diploma instead of school colors and such....

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
56. Howard is from Ohio and did claim to graduate from Miami University
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 12:19 PM
Aug 2018
Melissa Howard tells Tommy Gregory to ‘stop the lies’
Drew Wilson
4 days ago

<SNIP>

“Then the campaign pushed another story that I didn’t have a Bachelor’s Degree. So, I flew to Ohio went back to my alma mater, picked up my transcripts and helped my mom find my diploma. Again proving Tommy Gregory’s entire campaign is built on lies,” Howard said.

Howard provided Florida Politics with a picture of her and her mother next to the framed diploma from Miami of Ohio.

***Update*** — Miami University in Ohio told the Sarasota Herald-Tribune that Howard attended the school but never graduated. The school also says the diploma she produced is counterfeit, saying it doesn’t match those issued in 1994.

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/271487-melissa-howard-tommy-gregory


Damn this woman is stupid!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
24. Exactly, and she tried to fake a diploma to back up her lie.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:33 PM
Aug 2018

Not only is she dishonest; she's stupid - wouldn't it have occurred to her that the college would have records of who did and didn't graduate, and that they'd recognize a phony diploma?

kimbutgar

(21,148 posts)
3. So someone who lied and tried to scam the voters still has integrity in repuke land?
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 08:56 PM
Aug 2018

Her fake diploma should be a disqualified and she should quit the race.

Zorro

(15,740 posts)
4. Sarasota GOP Chair Joe Gruters is Howard's campaign treasurer
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:04 PM
Aug 2018

And as head of Sarasota's GOP, he previously awarded Trump "Statesman of the Year" honors. Twice.

RockRaven

(14,967 posts)
5. Not only did she lie, she got busted on it, and then doubled down with that picture of her "diploma"
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:04 PM
Aug 2018

It was only after she got busted on her double-down fraud that she even admitted the initial lies.

That was not "a mistake" and her claim that it was "a mistake" is yet another lie.

THIS IS A SERIES OF LIES/FRAUDS WHICH IS STILL UNINTERRUPTED.

Leading by example would be going out and telling the voters to vote for your opponent because your dishonesty has revealed you to be unworthy of the public trust invested in the office you were seeking.

erronis

(15,257 posts)
17. Repugs have different rules. Lie once and get caught? Then lie again and it's a double negative.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:21 PM
Aug 2018

I'm not sure how low into the cesspool the repuglicon voters can go before the stench gets to them. Maybe never.

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
6. Is she a primary candidate..or the final Republican candidate?
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:07 PM
Aug 2018

..If she is in a primary, this could be it...But, a final puke candidate, in a puke area..she may still win..

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
7. Lead by example - now? Too little, too late.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:07 PM
Aug 2018

I think it's bit too late to claim that she will lead by example. She accused her opponent of smearing her when they didn't and then she posed with a fake diploma.

Who on earth would trust her? Oh, right - Trump supporters.

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
9. Well...even some Trumpers may not support a "convicted liar".."proven liar"
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:10 PM
Aug 2018

....She cannot make this right, there is no way to "correct this"..and it is "too late" as you said..but...........................................I will not be voting there..it us up to the voters in Florida, not me.

erronis

(15,257 posts)
19. I thought they already showed that they'll vote for a lying pResident. And congress critters.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:23 PM
Aug 2018

They've tasted the koolaid and it hasn't killed them, yet.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
41. Her name is on the ballot already. I'm curious to see what they do.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 10:31 PM
Aug 2018

I would not vote for her. But, there may be those people who will.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
14. She may not survive the Repub primary to be held August 28
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:14 PM
Aug 2018

Her opponent in the August 28 Republican primary is Tommy Gregory.

"Howard said in a statement. “It was not my intent to deceive or mislead anyone. "

Suuuuure.

"Florida statute 817.566 states that “Any person, with intent to defraud, misrepresents his or her association with, or academic standing or progress at, any post-secondary educational institution by falsely making, altering, simulating, or forging” a degree is guilty of a first degree misdemeanor."

http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20180813/howard-admits-to-lying-about-degree-but-says-she-wont-quit-race

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
21. Accused of lying about having a degree from Miami University in Ohio, she went a dug a deep hole
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:31 PM
Aug 2018

"Facing accusations that she lied about having a degree from Miami University in Ohio, state House District 73 candidate Melissa Howard sprang into action.

The Lakewood Ranch businesswoman said she flew back to Ohio and obtained transcripts and a diploma proving she graduated. She distributed pictures Friday to media outlets — including the Herald-Tribune — of what she claimed was her diploma. She took to Facebook and posted what appeared to be her transcript.

In the Facebook post, Howard declared “The truth shall set you free!”

“It only took a night of flying back to my old stomping grounds to catch my opponent in yet another lie!” Howard wrote."

http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20180811/email-indicates-florida-house-candidate-may-have-staged-college-degree-deception

marble falls

(57,083 posts)
26. Thats was gets me. She posted the photo to prove she really had a diploma after ...
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:39 PM
Aug 2018

being originally caught at the lie. Takes chutzpah. Needs a lesson.

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
15. According to the internet.....She is running against two other for the Republican nomination..
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:15 PM
Aug 2018
https://www.theroot.com/florida-house-republican-candidate-faked-college-degree-18...


1 day ago -" Melissa Howard is running for the Republican nomination for Florida House Seat 73 against two other candidates. "

The republican voters in that area, can decide that she is not qualified to get the nomination by voting against her..Clearly she is too stupid and too much a liar to realize she has no chance. It is now up to the voters to show her what an idiot and a liar she is...

catbyte

(34,386 posts)
25. She's a goddamned coward. You've got to send her a friend request in order to comment on
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:35 PM
Aug 2018

her FB page. Anybody can do anything unethical just as long as you vote the right way, apparently. IOKIYAR.

Despicable.

Freethinker65

(10,021 posts)
30. I hope voters set an example by not voting for a liar that thought is was ok to pretend
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:46 PM
Aug 2018

to pretend to have a college degree.

First, it shows she had no issue lying about it before she got caught. Second, she was stupid enough to post a picture with the fake document. Third, she used the fake document to pad her resume for a statewide public office.

She is an idiot.

Permanut

(5,608 posts)
32. I'm not a professional clairvoyant..
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:52 PM
Aug 2018

but I see a bright future for her in the Trump Administration. Amarosa's spot is still open.

ellie

(6,929 posts)
34. I thought
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 10:09 PM
Aug 2018

she said, or her representative said, this was fake news? So she is a liar? Is this where we are now?

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
35. One sentence defines her, ""I made a mistake in saying that I completed my degree."
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 10:14 PM
Aug 2018

It was NO mistake. ...........NO MISTAKE.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If she had not been called upon it, she would have gotten away with it

That is the key idea..repeat, If she had not been called on it, she would have gotten away with it

Now where did she get the idea......."That she could get away with lying?"


OK...Who is the current leader of the Republican Party in the U.S.A.?


.......Does that leader lie and get away with it???



...................now you have your answer on where she got the idea to lie..............................

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
39. "the diploma Howard posted has inaccuracies." Inaccuracies? Yeah, it was outright fake.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 10:21 PM
Aug 2018

If you don't graduate, then no diploma. Isn't that the way it goes?

nuxvomica

(12,424 posts)
43. Turns out that fraud is illegal in Florida
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 10:45 PM
Aug 2018

(c)?“Property” means anything of value, and includes:
1.?Real property, including things growing on, affixed to, or found in land;
2.?Tangible or intangible personal property, including rights, privileges, interests, and claims; and
3.?Services.
(d)?“Scheme to defraud” means a systematic, ongoing course of conduct with intent to defraud one or more persons, or with intent to obtain property from one or more persons by false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises or willful misrepresentations of a future act.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/817.034

sprinkleeninow

(20,249 posts)
46. Oops, I made a mistake. So sorry. I couldn't hep mahself.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 11:44 PM
Aug 2018

It was an honest mistake. It wasn''t really a lie. Just an honest mistake, honestly. Nevertheless, I'm still gonna run for office 'cause that's what we do, regardless!11



💙🇺🇸🌊

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
48. No, you didn't "make a mistake".
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 03:13 AM
Aug 2018
YOU LIED! With the Liar in Chief regurgitating 7.6 lies per day now, I can see why any RepubliCON would think it's an acceptable method of dealing with constituents. It isn't. And promising to "lead by example from now on" is every bit as disingenuous as saying you graduated from the College in the first place.

Lying is in the DNA of every twisted, crooked, thieving RepubliCON. They consider it their birthright.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
49. These people lie and cheat their way through life.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 03:15 AM
Aug 2018

While good honest people get fucked over time and time again.

BumRushDaShow

(128,979 posts)
50. How much did she spend to have a fake diploma printed and MOUNTED?
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 06:58 AM
Aug 2018

...all for bullshitting the voters. And then to have her mother in on the fraud by posing with it too.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
51. redumbliCONS lie about everything while thinking they deserve a pass.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 07:02 AM
Aug 2018

The lying from these vile creatures will never end.

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
52. IOKALAYAAR Again
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 07:21 AM
Aug 2018

I can’t help but remember how Texas Democrat Lena Guerrero fell into political oblivion after saying that she finished her degree.

One narrow, exacting no-pity standard for Democrats compared to “anything goes” for members of Club Pachyderm.

turbinetree

(24,701 posts)
53. I wonder if she took these class ......................
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 07:30 AM
Aug 2018

eth·ics
ˈeTHiks/Submit
noun
1.
moral principles that govern a person's behavior or the conducting of an activity.
"medical ethics also enter into the question"
synonyms: moral code, morals, morality, values, rights and wrongs, principles, ideals, standards (of behavior), value system, virtues, dictates of conscience
"your so-called newspaper is clearly not burdened by a sense of ethics"
2.
the branch of knowledge that deals with moral principles.


scru·ple
ˈskro͞opəl/Submit
noun
plural noun: scruples
1.
a feeling of doubt or hesitation with regard to the morality or propriety of a course of action.
"I had no scruples about eavesdropping"
synonyms: qualms, compunction, pangs/twinges of conscience, hesitation, reservations, second thoughts, doubt(s), misgivings, uneasiness, reluctance
"he had no scruples about eavesdropping"
2.
historical
a unit of weight equal to 20 grains, used by apothecaries.
verb
3rd person present: scruples
1.
hesitate or be reluctant to do something that one thinks may be wrong.
"she doesn't scruple to ask her parents for money"
synonyms: hesitate to, be reluctant to, be loath to, have qualms about, have scruples about, have misgivings about, have reservations about, think twice about, balk to, demur to;


Nope she didn't take these classes................................shes republican, but watch she will win, after all its Florida, and now a 11 year old can HACK" their voting machines.....................he did it at the DEF CON meeting.................

raccoon

(31,110 posts)
55. This woman has shown herself to be a liar and shown what she thinks of voters.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 09:58 AM
Aug 2018

Did she really think nobody would catch up with that lie?

When you have found somebody has lied to you about something like this, you have to wonder what else they have lied about, are lying about now or will lie about in the future.

I think the Republican Party is taking the line of least resistance by not getting her ass out of the contest. I sincerely hope this POS does not get elected.

Of course, the way things go nowadays, she might end up being president someday.

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