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pstokely

(10,528 posts)
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 11:24 PM Aug 2018

Before church crash, safety experts warned of 15-passenger van dangers for nearly two decades

Source: KSHB

In 2004, experts warned of low seatbelt use on the vans, finding more than three-quarters of the passengers killed were not wearing safety restraints.
According to the crash report, eight of the 13 people on the Faith Chapel van were not wearing seatbelts, including the three teens who died.

"People get in them, and they don't think they need to wear seatbelts in buses, and many buses don't have seatbelts anyway," Spagnoli said.

NHTSA even warned that fatal rollovers involving the vans were most likely to involve tire failures, which troopers say was the cause of the Faith Chapel crash.

Read more: https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/safety-experts-warned-of-15-passenger-van-dangers

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Before church crash, safety experts warned of 15-passenger van dangers for nearly two decades (Original Post) pstokely Aug 2018 OP
Any time I'm in a van I fasten my sealt belt. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #1
I never understood the logic of not requiring seatbelts in buses anyway ansible Aug 2018 #2
These vans are an abomination. Scruffy1 Aug 2018 #3
can't they can afford a real bus and a professional driver pstokely Aug 2018 #7
These are trucks,not cars The Figment Aug 2018 #4
When I was a kid I always thought it was odd Codeine Aug 2018 #5
Church vans notorious for safety lapses. yellowcanine Aug 2018 #6
don't they also use 15 passenger vans as airport shuttles pstokely Aug 2018 #8
They do seem like death traps workinclasszero Aug 2018 #12
I have ridden in many 15 passenger vans. MicaelS Aug 2018 #9
And, anyone who fails to wear a seat belt is a potential projectile. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #11
Tread seperated from the tire--geezz,did they have re-treads on that van? Bengus81 Aug 2018 #10
This kind of thing could cause their insurance carriers Hortensis Aug 2018 #13
 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
2. I never understood the logic of not requiring seatbelts in buses anyway
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 01:22 AM
Aug 2018

Makes no goddamn sense, you get a ticket for driving without a seatbelt on in a car yet it's perfectly fine on a bus?

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
3. These vans are an abomination.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 01:53 AM
Aug 2018

Without a dual wheel axle all of them should be banned. of course the church that that their faith would protect them. Good luck.

The Figment

(494 posts)
4. These are trucks,not cars
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 02:53 AM
Aug 2018

A lot of people put passenger car tires on their Van which are not designed to handle the weight of a fully loaded 15 passenger vehicle, because their much cheaper than truck tires. I drive a Dodge 2500 extended van and the only tires that are ever put on this or any other van I have had are 10 ply top quality Truck tires.
Way more expensive, but my life and the life of others is well worth it.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
5. When I was a kid I always thought it was odd
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 09:59 AM
Aug 2018

that our school bus didn’t have seatbelts. I would definitely wear one in a van.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
6. Church vans notorious for safety lapses.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:27 AM
Aug 2018

Maintenance is often iffy with multiple drivers and no one makes sure everything is safe. And they are often driven by inexperienced people who don't enforce safety rules. Driver should be assisted by another adult who makes sure everyone is belted in before proceeding.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
9. I have ridden in many 15 passenger vans.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 03:06 PM
Aug 2018

I NEVER ride in one without fastening my seat belt, even if it only going a short distance.

Anyone who fails to fasten their seat belt in ANY vehicle that has them is a potential Darwin Award Winner.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
10. Tread seperated from the tire--geezz,did they have re-treads on that van?
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 03:23 PM
Aug 2018

I can tell you from installing carpet for 45 years what it feels like to have about 3,000 extra lbs in the back of a van. Luckily that load sets on the floor of the van so that helps. But...if loaded enough the front wheels get light to the touch because of all that weight back there. Most of the time it was just slow city driving but if out on the highway I knew to take it slow and start slowing for an exit ramp way,way before you got there.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. This kind of thing could cause their insurance carriers
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 02:13 PM
Aug 2018

to lobby for laws that they can insist on compliance to. That they apparently haven't yet suggests such accidents aren't common enough to make that desirable. Insurance companies are a big factor in both passage of and compliance with safety regulation.

30 years ago (!) I worked in property and casualty insurance, at one point for a brokerage specializing in church and private school clients. Who was allowed to drive was huge, and a few other things, but not wearing seat belts.

Clients were required to conform to risk management requirements, though. If we developed doubts and couldn't inspect, the company could and would fly someone out and either arrange for immediate compliance under supervision or cancel coverage on the spot. Ex-clients would then have to explain to new prospective insurers why coverage was cancelled, so compliance was the usual result.

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