and thus it is hard for me to understand why, with so much public proof of wrongdoing by this administration, why is it that it is taking Muller so much time to indict trump and many of his minions? I know many of us are becoming desperate, but the writing is on many walls, the wrongdoing cannot be missed. I would think that what we see every day from these thugs should be enough to put a few, including trump, in jail.

This stupidity that a sitting president cannot be indicted does not fly, if no one is above the law then it applies also to whomever is sitting in the post of the presidency. He is not a king, he is a public servant, and maybe that is the word that should be used to refer to trump "servant", he may hate that and leave on his on accord.

I do not agree with impeachment, that would leave Pence on the chair, and he is as bad or worse than trump, he is evil and intelligent, that makes him more dangerous.

Vote in November, make the idiot a lame duck, restrict all his moves, pass laws that won't allow him to spend tax payer money playing golf, make his life miserable by sending him to meet presidents in African countries, South American countries, all those places he hates.

It's right there in black and white in the United States Constitution:

Article 1, Section 3, Clause 7: Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party, convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

I have to confess that I have been wanting to find it, but procrastinated.

More people should read it and someone should read it to trump as a bedtime story.

Not sure who said it on TV, I think it was Scarborough, that the idea that a president could not be indicted did not fly, that it would assume a president could shoot someone in cold blood and not go to jail, and that does not make any sense.

was not involved in compromising our nations security or voting system to a foreign power. That in no way does not mean a Pence administration wouldn't be a disaster or hurt a lot of people

As to your second point, I would think Mueller is lining up as much hard evidence as possible so he has a solid casel, so even if the process of impeachment isn't successful, the evidence would open the door to an indictment of a sitting President, which no doubt would be challenged on its Constitutionality, but allow multiple avenues if the evidence demonstrates he was involved in illegal activities.


I also believe if the evidence is there, it is the responsibility of Congress to bring articles of impeachment against this administration. To do nothing would be a direliction of the duties of Congress

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I take issue with this. To think that pence knew NOTHING about the collusion is a stretch. He both knew and he participated in it. None of them are innocent. As far as republicans go (all the way down to dog catcher) if they didn't know then they allowed it. Let them all hang.

was not involved in compromising our country to a foreign power.

Policy wise there is no difference, and I agree none of them are innocent, they are both deplorable, though I will add there is one subtle difference. Trump actually goes out of his way to hurt people. He is a socio-path

I do not know if that exactly applies to Pence or not


In the end though it makes little sense to compare two evils.

However, I do believe that if the Mueller investigation reveals that Trump has violated the law, and compromised the U.S., he must be impeached, regardless of whether Pence is worse or not

Pence doesn't have the smarts to run a lemonade stand let alone a country. He is a religious fanatical freak that, in many ways, is as bad or worse as tRump.

traitor.

they knew he was going to destroy everything good, they knew what kind of monster he is, they all have blood on their hands and will pay dearly one of these days.

In every single shot of the two together, Pence is looking at Trump like Liz Taylor gazed at Richard Burton.

We don't know that, and I know I am making assumptions based on his moral character and lies that he has already be found to have told. For example, he denied knowing about Flynn, it was proven to be a lie, he has also lied about other issues and circumstances that would have placed him in the middle of many of the actions that involved Russians. He also denied having had talks with Russians, and that was also a lie. Lets not forget that he was the main person during the campaign, for him to claim that he didn't know what was going on places him in one of two places, take you pick. Is he stupid/incompetent, or is he a liar? I have to go with the second choice.

I believe that, like Dick Chaney, although with less noise, Pence acts behind the scenes, we all know that trump is not smart enough to understand legislation, that he doesn't read, that he will not do research to find out what shenanigans he can get away with, and I believe that is Pence's job, which he does willingly because, and I am also convinced, that like many of us, Pence believes that trump will be either taken out of office, or he will resign making Pence # 46.

He is buying his time and screwing the country behind everyone's back.

Beware of the dog that doesn't bark.

he would surely denounce Trump.

actually involved in obstruction, abuse of power, etc., that remains to be seen.

Regardless, if Mueller shows evidence of criminal activity by trump, not only should he be impeached, but regardless whether impeachment is successful or not, he needs to be indicted. Whether the courts rule that a sitting president can be indicted we don't know, but no one should be above the law, especially when it regard compromizing our country to a foreign power

for the simple reason that the media cycle revolves around Trump and his tweets, his crazed statements and his heavy-handed actions. Pence is the complete opposite and does not have that ability to drive the news cycle like Trump. He was extremely unpopular in the red state of Indiana when he left office there - imagine what he would be in the more moderate rest of the country? And, while Pence is popular with evangelicals, he doesn't have that awful base of deplorable neo-nazis, and the like supporting him.

Plus, Pence would be like a wounded lame duck if he took over after Trump left in disgrace.

People need to get on board the Brennan train, force the complicit M$M to get on board, force Republican politicians and yes Democratic politicians to get on board, our democracy is at stake for God's sake.

I've been listening to bull shit about how we can't talk about impeachment, that it will hurt Dems running for office, fuck that. What will hurt Dems running for office is Russians flipping voting machines, they are already hacked into several states and no one gives a shit.

How about this for a narrative for all 3 cable news networks, well at least for CNN and msnbc, impeach Trump before he destroys our democracy and our environment.

the majority in Congress should also be prosecuted for dereliction of duty.

And that is wrong, the power is in the hands of the republicans at this time, they are the ones acting in a treasonous way, trying hard to hide the truth and stop the investigation.

The way you phrased it sounds like both parties are the same, and it is not, and almost never is, that both parties are the same.

This administration spends most of their time trying to find ways to stop the Russia investigation because, and it is my opinion, many of the republicans who have been elected to office are also compromised, no other reason would push Nunes, and others to do the things they do when they know their actions can be labeled as treason.

And his moronic crew id like to see the death penalty

The Criminal Justice Act 1990 abolished the death penalty, setting the punishment for treason at life imprisonment, with parole in not less than forty years. No person has been charged under the Treason Act.

Life with NO parole. In a glass cage under a public toilet is preferable.

The death penalty should not only be in play it should be the only solution offered IMHO. But first, since they are so fond of the method, all elected republicans who have defended and stood by trump should be waterboarded until they confess their role in this nightmare. The republicans led by trump have not only committed treason, but have as well caused grievous, perhaps irreparable harm to the social fabric of our country. Jail is not enough! But, before we start meting out justice, let's join together and win both houses of congress so justice has a chance to be done.

So let it go.

And yes, I wouldn't shed a tear for them if it were in play and they were so sentenced.

But it's not, and being one of those "death penalty is okay only when I feel extreme anger at the accused" doesn't help matters.

You are still left with the inescapable reality that Trump is utterly incompetent in his belief that Russia did nothing wrong.

and he is confirming that the orange hair one, with tiny hands is a full blown traitor.....................now what are fascists republicans Goodlatte and Gowdy, and the Jordon going to do in there close door inquisition meeting with the next DOJ official ..........................on there proverbial "with hunt".......................

Brennan just told everyone....................

November 2018 cannot get here fast enough...........................vote

Brennan knows a lot more than any of us do. He served his country honorably, and is still doing so.

A patriot. Something tRump cannot fathom.

From blackmail and putin uncovering all their crimes, and now they're compromised . It all will be exposed about them , and they can't stop it and are now really desperate, especially trump.

..... the election is now gone and or had their security clearances pulled.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html

WASHINGTON — Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.

The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.

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The Jan. 6, 2017, meeting, held at Trump Tower, was a prime example. He was briefed that day by John O. Brennan, the C.I.A. director; James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence; and Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency and the commander of United States Cyber Command.

The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, was also there; after the formal briefing, he privately told Mr. Trump about the “Steele dossier.” That report, by a former British intelligence officer, included uncorroborated salacious stories of Mr. Trump’s activities during a visit to Moscow, which he denied.

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BTW every time Trump says witch hunt he is lying.

he may have to gotten rid of, him and his cronies, the same way they do in said republics. I'm willing to wait and see if a) dems will win both houses of congress, and b) if, once they win, use their power to cleanse our government of this filth unlike the republicans who have abdicated their responsibility. If not, well concerned citizens are going to have to begin answering some serious questions.

This Op-Ed is just him using public sources to get out what he knows to be true.

Ahh yes, he shouldn't have messed with John Brennan and our intelligence agencies. It's going to heat up even more now and we will see tRump sweat like he never has before.

"I will not relent"

There are some who will need to be looking over their shoulders in the coming decades.

the hoodlum Trump is brought to justice so as to end his lifelong crime spree.

keep your friends close and your enemies closer......just what he needed, to have John Brennan PERSONALLY pissed off.

to say the least.

Anyone who isn't asleep at the wheel should be outraged.