There are 18 charges. We cannot expect all 18 charges to be decided among 12 jurors right away.

Reasonable doubt question could be a lone juror unsure of what precisely this means.

No worries.

only required in murder cases?

Or is it all felonies?

Technically it's even required in traffic cases in some jurisdictions, though people tend to think it's not reasonable to doubt a cop.

It's only in civil cases where the standard is a mere preponderance of evidence.

But I get why anyone would be worried regardless, a lot rides on this.

moving to decide on the case.

It is up to the jury to decide how to deliberate.

today the jury asked the judge for guidance in sifting thru the mass of documents. This evenings' news.

Yes, we know what the judge says. It is public.

It is a complicated case, may be late Friday or even Monday.

He told them to rely on their memory.

The judge doesn't seem to want to do his job.

He said what judges always say when they get these questions. It is not his first rodeo.

As pointed out, there are lots of counts they need to go through. No way there was going to be a verdict after a few hours of deliberations.

Does anyone here know? I would like to see him get at LEAST 30 years, but I wouldn't be surprised if he only got 3 years and was pardoned after 3 months...

Paul Manafort faces 305 years

By Katelyn Polantz, CNN

Updated 10:36 AM ET, Wed March 14, 2018

Washington (CNN)Paul Manafort could face the rest of his life -- and almost 300 years or more -- in prison, a federal judge said Tuesday.

"Given the nature of the charges against the defendant and the apparent weight of the evidence against him, defendant faces the very real possibility of spending the rest of his life in prison," federal judge T.S. Ellis III of the US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia wrote Tuesday.

Ellis last week placed Manafort under home incarceration while wearing a GPS monitor and set a $10 million unsecured bail.

Manafort, 68, has been under similar home arrest and bail conditions for a separate case in Washington, DC, federal court that was filed in late October.

Taken together, the former Trump campaign chairman faces strict restrictions and heavy potential consequences as he awaits his two jury trials this year. If Manafort were to choose to avoid trial and change his plea to guilty, like his co-defendant Rick Gates has already done, he could be forced by special counsel Robert Mueller's prosecutors to share details he knows about Trump campaign officials' contact with Russians and other foreign nationals.

Manafort for decades had conducted business built upon his relationships with Russian-sympathetic Ukrainians and other powerful European former politicians, and had been in contact with them while leading the Trump campaign.

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/paul-manafort-faces-305-years/index.html

Not getting my hopes up, but damn... I would like to see his face when given 300 years! Boom!

These are very serious charges.

So it's possible they agree on most, but are divided on some?

7 hrs = 420 minutes = 23 minutes per charge, so far.

But actually less than that because some time is spent electing a foreman, and some time was spent in the court room asking a few questions for clarification.

On the juries I've been on we've taken our jobs very seriously.

It's going to take a low of time to carefully go through each of 18 charges.

a violation for grossly exceeding the overly conspicuous consumption law.

found him not guilty.

two or three Jurors refuse to accept the facts before them because this will be bad for Trump?

These are Manafort’s own crimes ... not crimes committed with trump.

to a constitutional crisis in which some senior members of the GOP finally have the guts to stand up to him, leading him to go to war against them, leading to bloodshed in the midterms and a terminal decline in support.

Note that Drumpf never has released his tax returns. He is most likely a tax cheat. He probably has cut a secret deal with Manafart, another tax cheat, that a pardon will be coming and do not let Mueller squeeze you for nothing.

Note that Manafart did not even bother calling defense witnesses.

They could be trying to imply that the prosecution has not met their burden. in addition, once they start to put on a case, then prosecutors can start to poke holes in it. Many defense attorneys would rather not make a case, than to put on a bad, easily debunked case.

And not a regular US Attorney. The fact that it’s the special prosecutor bringing these charges means it’s about Trump.

His defender was terrible. Because there was nothing to defend. The guy was as guilty as anyone has ever been.
It still took as 2 days to come up with a verdict, because 2 of us thought one of the dozen charges was weak.
We finally all agreed guilty on all by that one charge.

To clarify the definition of “reasonable doubt”.

Not a great sign, IMO. They are hung on at least one charge, it appears.

This happens all the time, especially when you have multiple charges and/or multiple avenues of a verdict. I sat on a jury involving a gang banger charged with murder in the first degree. You have to walk all the jurors through each specific charge. We started with simple possession of a deadly weapon and worked up through the penal code sections dealing with intent. We could have found him to be anywhere from Not Guilty to Manslaughter to Murder 1. But it's a process, and it takes a long time because you have to go through each step in sequence and constantly refer back to the testimony presented.

It's not easy for some people to be in this position. Even though you, as a juror, will not be part of the sentencing phase, you are aware that your verdict is likely sending someone to prison for several years (maybe all the years they have left). My murder case was "easy" in that the evidence was overwhelming. And yet, we spent 2 1/2 days deliberating because one person just didn't want to check off on murder 1. It took the remaining 11 jurors almost 1 1/2 days to walk that last juror through the mountain of evidence to finally convince her that murder 1 was the correct verdict based on the facts presented. We removed all her doubts about the evidence. Even then, she still held out a little longer because she didn't want to see a "kid's" life ruined by rotting in prison.

In Manafort's case, they will have to go through 18 charges involving technical subjects that most people wouldn't know. The accounting matters will make their heads spin. There was never a possibility of reaching a decision quickly. I'd be very surprised if it ends tomorrow, too.

Last jury I was on we deliberated for a few days before our verdict. Some people on jury will insist sometimes to go through everything piece by slow piece, asking a million questions and driving some that are ready to vote crazy.

But its all part of the process, usually those people can be talked by others into doing the right thing after you have patiently answered all their questions and doubts.

I think they will finish by tomorrow, my second day was a Friday too and people want to be done for the weekend.

like electing a foreman, organizing themselves and the evidence and getting things like "what's reasonable doubt" settled.

He’s going’s down.