Kroger, America's largest supermarket chain, bids farewell to the plastic shopping bag
Source: USA Today
The plastic shopping bags days are numbered. Major cities around the country, from Los Angeles to Chicago to Boston, have banned their use in retail settings. Our customers have told us it makes no sense to have so much plastic only to be used once before being discarded. And theyre exactly right.
Thats why Kroger is today announcing our intention to phase out single-use plastic grocery bags from our family of stores by 2025. As Americas largest grocer, we recognize we have a responsibility to cut down on unnecessary plastic waste that contributes to litter, harms the environment and, in some cases, can endanger wildlife.
Collectively, we use100 billion plastic bags a year in the U.S. Thats a lot for something thats almost always used once before being tossed into a landfill. You could take all those bags and fill three Houston Astrodomes from top to bottom, year after year, with nothing but plastic bags.
There are less wasteful ways to ensure shoppers can safely and conveniently transport items back to their homes, and Kroger is committed to presenting better options to our customers. We believe we can help our customers be what at Kroger we call Zero Heroes.
Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/08/23/kroger-plastic-bag-ban-reusable-recycle-straws-environment-column/1061723002/
DownriverDem
(6,232 posts)I shop at Kroger and always try to get my groceries put in a paper bag. They offer both paper and plastic. This is excellent. I hate those plastic bags.
radical noodle
(8,015 posts)There are no Kroger stores near us, but Publix is everywhere.
bluevoter4life
(788 posts)I'm going to assume no. I would fully expect the state of Florida to appease them and pass a law saying no local jurisdiction can pass a plastic bag ban.
progressoid
(50,000 posts)I rarely shop there. But in the few times I've been there, I've seen way too many bags leave that store.
I've seen their checkers double bag a gallon of milk. WTF? It's already in a plastic container with a handle. It doesn't need a bag!
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)But now they do ask if you want your milk in a bag - I always say no.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Kroger pulling out of plastic bags will likely lead the rest of the Retail Sector.
sinkingfeeling
(51,479 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)No mention if Kroger 'subsidiaries' will follow.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)But this applies to ALL Kroger chains.
Tikki
(14,560 posts)Zero Heroes..that works.
Tikki
forgotmylogin
(7,539 posts)Kidding...I've collected enough that I probably won't run out until we use trash to create energy in our home Mr. Fusion devices.
pazzyanne
(6,559 posts)But I find a lot of uses for the bags rather than collecting them. They crochet into really nice waterproof rugs for use outside and in the laundry room, for example. I also use cloth tote bags for groceries - most of the time.
forgotmylogin
(7,539 posts)Instead of buying bags there, I have a cloth bag, a hard plastic basket, and I usually throw several plastic bags in to wrap milk and frozen stuff in.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)Along with a box for things in glass, for Aldi and also Trader Joe's. My sister is ex military, and said they did the same thing in the Commisary as they do at Aldo. She also lived in Europe for a few years, and said it is the Continental grocery model not to give free sacks.
Docreed2003
(16,883 posts)My wife has grocery bags filled with grocery bags!
Igel
(35,374 posts)DBoon
(22,403 posts)always take a couple for the walk.
Yes, you can buy bags just for this purpose
GoCubsGo
(32,097 posts)I usually bring my own bags, but sometimes I forget them, or I go to Lowes/Home Despot. I use those bags to collect cat waste. I also use old bread and other used plastic bags. And, one can only re-wash a Ziplock bag so many times before the become unusable.
csziggy
(34,139 posts)The darned bag was starting to fall apart! I had to plan to get a plastic bag for my garbage can the next time I went shopping.
So don't count on having a lifetime supply of trash sacks - they have been way too successful at making plastic bags that break down.
We mostly use reusable bags for shopping and have to plan on trips to get paper sacks for our kitchen garbage cans - and once a year have to get plastic bags for the smaller cans.
TheFarseer
(9,326 posts)After we are done with that, I plan on stressing using reusable bags. We already do when we go to Aldi and its not a big deal.
cstanleytech
(26,334 posts)a good number of plastic bags (not the shopping ones) for placing things like meat in before its placed in the shopping bag as it can be a pain to clean any blood that leaks out from the cloth shopping bags.
no_hypocrisy
(46,234 posts)what about Glad trashbags? Same material, different purpose. I use the grocery bags in lieu of purchased trashbags.
It's the plastic, not the purpose.
Will we return to taking out the trash in paper bags in metal garbage cans with lids? And having to use the water hose to wash them out?
Bengus81
(6,936 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)progressoid
(50,000 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)1) Long-term contracts with bag suppliers
2) Checkout areas have to be redesigned, since they all have the spinning bag dispenser, or at the self-checkout lanes, the racks of bag dispensers
3) They will then need to SELL reusable bags, or sell paper bags.
They will roll it out chain by chain to make sure it goes smoothly, then learn from any issues for the next chain.
NOTHING gets rolled out in a month.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)They may start by charging folks for the bags, too, to get them used to bringing their own. I started doing that a few years ago. Target actually pays me 15 cents to use my own bags.
Bengus81
(6,936 posts)And no,I seriously doubt they have a seven year contract with a bag maker,around here they bid out their lawn mowing a year at a time--or at least did a couple years back when a friend of mine did all the Dillions here.
Again,if they WANTED paper bags they could have them in stores in a month and in ever increasing amounts while they phase out the plastic. Remember the "do you want paper or plastic days?" They could return to that by October 1. The Dillions stores here don't have that spinning bag holder your talking about--that's Wal Mart.
They could contact a dozen or more paper bag makers on Monday for a few million paper bags and get some bids going. Gosh...might even create a job or two.
They've merely issued a "feel good" story to help bring shoppers in........
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)A company does something positive and people are STILL BITCHING.
Not fast enough, not done in the right way.
Bengus81
(6,936 posts)Let's just say this ain't my first rodeo with these LYING Corporations. Again...it doesn't take SEVEN years to get paper bags in to replace plastic. They could have a million of them in stores in a week or two,as if making a paper bag is like re-starting a steel mill.
Come on...............
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)And all you do is fucking bitch and moan.
Can't stand negative Nellies like you.
On ignore, JA
Aristus
(66,478 posts)I don't think that will prevent howls of outrage from the anti-environment types, who will insist that rather than a decision made by a private organization, that it is instead 'political correctness gone mad'.
I'll never forget when Tacoma banned plastic bags, some libertarian idiot went on-line to express his outrage over 'government overreach'. "A CHOICE!" he blithered, trying and failing to sound like someone reasonable. "A CHOICE! That's all we want; to be able to exercise our right to CHOOSE!"
Tikki
(14,560 posts)back to the car to get their recycleable bags before they reach the store.
The under 20s are doing a great job bringing a bag with them. The over 60s
seem to be dedicated to the task.
California has had this byob for a bit now with very little complaints and a growing compliance.
Tikki
Bayard
(22,181 posts)And pick veges in the garden? Darn good for giving them away to others. I collect them, and reuse in multiple ways. But I always did prefer paper bags. And this is a HUGE step forward for the environment.
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)I use Stater Brothers (supermarket) 1 gallon storage bags. They come 70 to a box, are relatively cheap and theeir ability to seal means the bags can be thrown into my regular (kitchen) garbage can, and they won't smell things up even if I don't take out the trash for several days.
Hope that's helpful!
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)we still have plastic bags at the stores. They are just not the flimsy single use ones but rather thicker and reusable. The stores charge 10 or 15 cents each for these or paper bags..
csziggy
(34,139 posts)Just do an internet search - there are lots of DIYs on making no sew bags from tee shirts that could be used for vegetables in the garden or in the store.
If you're giving vegetables away, just ask for the recipients' old tee shirts to replace the one you're giving.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)that are made from recycled material. They are technically for compost, but I use them for kitty litter and other stuff.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)That's a looong time.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)And not just at Kroger.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)So by 2025 they will have stuck possibly 600 billion (plus) more plastic bags into the environment, as they transition? Thanks. Wish they'd speed it up a bit..
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)And, you have to bag your own stuff there, too. 100% support this!
WestMichRad
(1,340 posts)That'll reduce plastic from their stores by about 0.1%, maybe.
Nearly every product in a grocery store is wrapped in some type of plastic or plastic-coated paper.... or they provide plastic bags to put stuff in (like produce).
If you really stop to look at it, 'tis amazing how much plastic we use in our lives. Most of the products we Americans touch contain plastic: our phones, keyboards, food storage, (just looking around: ) light switch, ink pens, scissor handles, medicine bottles, ruler, folders and binders, and on and on... Try finding many of these products in a non-plastic version - can't do it!
It's a noble intent to reduce the amount of plastic we use, but in this modern world, American consumption is into plastics REALLY deep. I try to use less, such as using cloth shopping bags and mesh bags for produce, but despite our best intent we still unavoidably use SO MUCH plastic it seems hopeless.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Because a good portion end up blowing around, getting into waterways, etc. Their very flimsiness makes their impact greater than actual percentage of plastic.
Igel
(35,374 posts)Not a "good portion." Otherwise there'd be hundreds of them per mile of freeways. Per week. There are a few, but not nearly that many.
It's a feel-good measure.
It takes a lot of plastic bags not used to make up for the water, fertilizer, fuel for producing a cloth bag. Then more to make up for the times you wash the cloth bag. I've never seen anybody use one for the decade or more that would require. So it saves plastic, but replacement cost is fairly high.
Of course, it means that Kroger will sell cloth bags (making money) and not have to provide them "for free" (reducing their cost). And get positive PR out of it because, well, it feels good, esp. when people think about how other people will be forced to comply. (On the other hand, it'll be interesting to see what happens when somebody who has the exact amount for a purchase shows up without their own bag.)
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Even if 1% aren't disposed of properly, that's 1 BILLION BAGS flying around, entering our waterways.
marybourg
(12,642 posts)that are more than 30 years old. They were made very sturdily back then and are emblazoned with the names of stores that no longer exist (as far as I know), like Skaggs Alpha Beta, Smittys and Smiths. One originally was my canvas .beach bag and has been in use as a supermarket bag for 40 years.
demmiblue
(36,903 posts)I have bought a few of the bags with handles from Kroger over the years because I find that they are easier to pack (and they are super strong). If I have to clean them, I just give the inside a quick swipe with a sponge and vinegar. Downside: they are made in China.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I have a set of these... very strong, convenient and long-lasting. They fold for easy storage in the car. The cube shape and reinforced bottom makes it easy to stack items. The handles are strong and I make fewer trips between the car and the kitchen when bringing groceries home. The flat bottoms and sturdy sidewalls help them to NOT turn over on the trip home from the store.
demigoddess
(6,645 posts)And I have been using reusable bags for shopping for years. They manhandle my bags in such a way that I do not believe they wanted me to use them. But if everybody did, wouldn't it save them money?? I just need an alternative to put used diapers in. Perhaps biodegradable plastic? They offer those for composting. Are they any good? I have only found little ones.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)Off Amazon. They are pretty cheap, and you get a lot.
Polly Hennessey
(6,811 posts)NurseJackie.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)I just read somewhere else (sorry, don't have a link) that Kroger will start implementing this right away in some markets, Seattle area is one they mentioned...
Grammy23
(5,815 posts)made from recycled grocery bags. They are 50 cents and so far, the ones we bought have been very sturdy. They also sell an even sturdier & larger plastic coated reuseable bag for .98 in colorful colors featuring fruits and veggies. When we transitioned over to the reuseable bags, we bought a couple every time we shopped until we got enough for most of our grocery shopping. We use a thick, insulated bag we bought at Sams Club years ago for meat and perishables. Once in a while we have to use a few of the bags the store uses but I save those to line small bathroom garbage cans.
It might take a while but it really is not that hard. Just remember to put the darn sacks back in the car after you empty them! Wal-Mart also has huge boxes at the entrance to collect sacks you want recycled.
Uncle Joe
(58,458 posts)Thanks for the thread demmiblue
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)I do most of my shopping at Kroger and bring my own reusable bags. Most of the baggers try to put my stuff in plastic before putting it in my totes and they don't always respect my request that they stop. Things like packaged meat, or bakery bread in an unsealed bag.
Needless to say, I prefer to do my own bagging. But I'm reluctant to use self-checkout because a) I don't want humans to lose their jobs and b) I often buy wine or beer and need an employee approval anyway.
Anyway, good for them!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Kroger is now our closest also.
Like others, we've been using reusable bags more and more for years now. After we put the groceries away, the bags get stuffed inside one and that's hung on the front door knob to take back out to whichever vehicle needs it.
We still occasionally arrive at the store without them, but it happens a lot less now since I started punishing us by buying one new one each time. My husband especially hates that, and we are certainly now more than well stocked with the things from various stores.
Btw, very recently I forgot to bring my bags in so I grabbed one of the reusables Kroger's sells and set it in front of the groceries to purchase. Then I started talking with a friend. When I paid and turned to grab the groceries, I found that they'd all been bagged in 2s and 3s in a rather outstanding number of plastic bags and that even the reusable bag had been bagged -- all by itself to keep it nice (a non-grocery item).
True story. I promise.