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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 06:26 PM Aug 2018

The US Government Is Updating Its Nuclear Disaster Plans And They Are Truly Terrifying

Source: Buzzfeed News

Amid concerns over North Korea, federal emergency managers are updating disaster plans to account for large nuclear detonations over the 60 largest US cities, according to a US Federal Emergency Management Agency official.

“The North Koreans have really changed the calculus,” Cham Dallas of the Institute for Disaster Management at the University of Georgia told workshop participants. “We really have to look at thermonuclear now.”

... last year North Korea tested an apparent thermonuclear bomb with a surprisingly large estimated blast size of 250 kilotons, a “city buster” much bigger than past test blasts and nearly the size of current US intercontinental ballistic missile warheads. The test blast kicked off a new era of nuclear anxiety in the US.

The new FEMA plan will also have to consider modern contingencies such as cyberweapons striking power plants and cell phone signals before a blast, or a nuclear blackmail scenario where a single bomb is detonated followed by threats to set off more unless demands are met.

Read more: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/north-korea-nuclear-bomb-fema-plans



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The US Government Is Updating Its Nuclear Disaster Plans And They Are Truly Terrifying (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Aug 2018 OP
But, but, but didn't Dotard say NK was no longer such a big threat? keithbvadu2 Aug 2018 #1
This is just fucking great! busterbrown Aug 2018 #2
My Trump loving neighbor recently said ... left-of-center2012 Aug 2018 #3
I'm wondering if his devotees even watch the news. Chemisse Aug 2018 #15
That many nukes would starve a billion people globally NickB79 Aug 2018 #4
That would depend upon the type and where they were all detonated. cstanleytech Aug 2018 #19
The study quoted points to a very grim scenario NickB79 Aug 2018 #20
That's why I said it would depend on the type we are discussing and where they were detonated. cstanleytech Aug 2018 #21
hahahaha silly FEMA! Takket Aug 2018 #5
+ 1000 iluvtennis Aug 2018 #14
If it happens, it just happens. Fact is we created this mess by Hoyt Aug 2018 #6
Yes, you can't blame them for wanting some insurance. LuvNewcastle Aug 2018 #22
So, then someone will be there to throw paper towels at us in the apocolypse? hlthe2b Aug 2018 #7
Fearmongering Horseshit shadowmayor Aug 2018 #8
Agree Auggie Aug 2018 #9
Excellent points soryang Aug 2018 #10
Thank goodness we don't have Hillary Clinton as president! ffr Aug 2018 #11
That's not as frightening as the book this klown wrote ... Jopin Klobe Aug 2018 #12
Donald's only letting "10s" in the bunker? meadowlander Aug 2018 #13
At least if it happens on a weekday Cold War Spook Aug 2018 #16
Buzzfeed is attempting to distract from the disaster at hand. mia Aug 2018 #17
My personal nuclear disaster plan is to simply cstanleytech Aug 2018 #18
Similar. Going outside and soak up rays. Have no intention of fighting my neighbors for food, water, Hoyt Aug 2018 #24
Think about Minius Manus Trumpus Duns and his base... NotASurfer Aug 2018 #23

keithbvadu2

(36,806 posts)
1. But, but, but didn't Dotard say NK was no longer such a big threat?
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 06:29 PM
Aug 2018

But, but, but didn't Dotard say NK was no longer such a big threat?

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
2. This is just fucking great!
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 06:30 PM
Aug 2018

Especially since Trump is 72 yrs old and in serious trouble...

Why the fuck should he care..

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
15. I'm wondering if his devotees even watch the news.
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 07:41 PM
Aug 2018

Even Fox must have conceded that the N Korea summit didn't make any real difference.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
19. That would depend upon the type and where they were all detonated.
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 10:57 PM
Aug 2018

What would more likely to cause mass starvation though is not nuclear winter but simply the disruption in trade and of the shipping of food.
Countries like China and India would feel the effects first followed by the others depending on how dependent each country is on importing food.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
20. The study quoted points to a very grim scenario
Sat Aug 25, 2018, 01:10 AM
Aug 2018
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00139157.2017.1325300

In previous regional nuclear war simulations, roughly 100 nuclear explosions with 15-KT (kilotons) TNT yields were estimated to ignite 1,300 square kilometers of urban and other developed land area.66 Toon et al., 2006, note 2.
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The resulting oxidation of carbonaceous materials (e.g., soils, biomass, fossil fuels, asphalt, plastics) was estimated to disperse >5 million metric tons (5 Tg C) of black carbon smoke particles into the stratosphere.77 Black carbon is the radiation-absorbing components of soot, which are elemental carbon and some condensed organics; V. Ramanathan and G. Carmichael, “Global and Regional Climate Changes due to Black Carbon,” Nature Geoscience 1, no. 4 (2008), 221–27.
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Most previous nuclear explosions have not produced significant black carbon emissions because they occurred in the U.S. Southwest desert, on small tropical islands, at high altitudes, or underground.88 K. Schaul, “Eight Countries. 2,056 Nuclear Tests. 71 Years—Mapped,” The Washington Post, 9 September 2016; SIPRI Yearbook 2014: Armaments, Disarmament, and International Security (Oxford, UK: Oxford University Press, 2014), 350.
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As a consequence of 5 Tg of black carbon being lofted into the stratosphere, solar radiation on land, atmospheric surface temperature, and rainfall would decrease globally and would likely result in a dramatic decrease in global agricultural production. Agricultural growing seasons could be reduced by 10 to 40 days per year for at least 5 years; global temperatures could be below normal for as long as 25 years; and immediate short-term temperatures could be colder than have occurred in the last 1,000 years.99 Toon et al., note 2.
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Precipitation could decrease by as much as 20% to 80% in the Asian monsoon region.1010 Black carbon emissions from fossil fuel and biomass burning have already been shown to decrease regional tropical rainfall from 1950 to 2002; Ramanathan and Carmichael, note 7.
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Large reductions in rainfall would occur in South America and southern Africa, and the American Southwest and Western Australia could be 20% to 60% drier. Climatic changes due to nuclear explosions on developed land could essentially produce a global “nuclear drought,” and the resulting famines could kill up to a billion people from starvation, which would probably most affect those communities that are already in food-insecure environments in the developing world, particularly in Sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia, and the Middle East.1111 Robock and Toon, note 2; J. D. Sachs, The Age of Sustainable Development (New York, NY: Columbia University Press, 2015).
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Significant changes in precipitation would probably also increase conflict in developing regions, although global temperature reductions may reduce social violence in the United States and other developed countries.12


And that's 100, 15 KT warheads, hitting urban areas, not the 60 warheads of 50+ KT that NK is believed to have.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
21. That's why I said it would depend on the type we are discussing and where they were detonated.
Sat Aug 25, 2018, 09:33 AM
Aug 2018

If someone used say 30 neutron bombs (no one officially has any but you never know for sure) they could disrupt trade worldwide by hitting the major shipping ports and it would not probably cause a nuclear winter but it could cause starvation because of the trade disruption.

Takket

(21,568 posts)
5. hahahaha silly FEMA!
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 06:39 PM
Aug 2018

Did they hear the pResident??? His brilliant leadership led to an agreement for NK to give up their nukes!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let freedom ring!!!!!!!!!!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. If it happens, it just happens. Fact is we created this mess by
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 06:48 PM
Aug 2018

being the only country to detonate nuclear weapons over people. Had Iraq actually had nukes, we would not have invaded them.

Maybe if we hadn’t bullied the world all these years, we wouldn’t be in this situation.

Warmonger trump has made it worse. Any government not seeking similar weapons nowadays to protect themselves is failing their people.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
22. Yes, you can't blame them for wanting some insurance.
Sat Aug 25, 2018, 09:54 AM
Aug 2018

If Trump becomes a war-time President, I think I might look for a way out of here.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
8. Fearmongering Horseshit
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 07:04 PM
Aug 2018

This kind of crap is used time and again to divert our tax funds into more ridiculous war expenditures. North Korea isn't going to nuke anybody - it's all about posturing and ensuring we don't invade. What a bunch of fools Americans are to fall for this crap and the media is front and center on these scare tactics. I do not lose a wink of sleep over being nuked by North Korea. I do fear our exceptional United States bombing the hell out of some poor country that poses zero threat to us. Just ask the Yemeni people how that whole spreading democracy is working out for them?

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
12. That's not as frightening as the book this klown wrote ...
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 07:31 PM
Aug 2018
"With Enough Shovels: Reagan, Bush, and Nuclear War" Hardcover – 1982
by Robert Scheer

"What "T.K."* meant was that, with a shovel, anyone can dig a fallout shelter--a simple hole in the ground with a door over the top and three feet of earth on top of that. "It's the dirt that does it," he said.

"It's the dirt that does it," he said ... "It's the dirt that does it," ... typical Republican "thinking" ...


*T. K. Jones, current (during Reagan's reign) Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Research and Engineering, Strategic and Theater Nuclear Forces, and a former Boeing manager.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
24. Similar. Going outside and soak up rays. Have no intention of fighting my neighbors for food, water,
Sat Aug 25, 2018, 10:46 AM
Aug 2018

or sleeping with one eye open. They can have it.

NotASurfer

(2,150 posts)
23. Think about Minius Manus Trumpus Duns and his base...
Sat Aug 25, 2018, 10:02 AM
Aug 2018

Nuking the 60 largest US cities might, in their alt-fact minds, qualify as an "improvement"

And a chance to score prime real estate at a discount

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