He votes with the democrats. We have to fight this war together.

That would also be a good thing.

It's the Russian government that is counting on us fighting with each other.

do you?

Best in my opinion to just move on though from what happened and look to the future which is bleak if we let the Repugnants divide us again.

The primary and caucus system is there for a reason. One is to provide an opportunity for the public and party to hear the ideas and positions of those seeking the nomination. There is no preordained candidate and if you cannot survive the primaries and come out better for the competition of ideas you have no business running in the general election as the nominee.

not fellow progressives

Great, now let’s add the Michigan primary to the same day as the BS Iowa Caucus and the Pennsylvania primary to the same day as the anew Hampshire primary so two states more reflective of the population are able to help shape the primary field.

...a candidate for the nomination to be the 2016 Democratic presidential candidate.

No shit.

Clinton had more delegates going into convention, and more votes, but they said it should be overrridden because "ZOMG! Her emails!"

comprise 15% of the available delegates and be able to declare who their support before the primary is over. They did so in a number of states in 2016 and gave Hillary a disproportional share of the super d's relative to the share of the popular vote.
This skewed the publicized outcome of these elections and altered the public's perception on the race.

Sanders, and by proxy his supporters, did not use the faux email 'scandal' against her. Stop spreading fake news. Mostly because it was evident it was a mole hill, but also because they were smart enough to know it was a waste of time to dwell on some paper tiger distraction. There were other more tangible reality-based differences to run against.

And the problem that Sanders supporters had with the superdelegates influence, was that most thought Hillary was a shoe in at the start. I certainly did. So many if not most SD, threw in their support even before the primaries started. One could even argue why wouldn't they? If they had known that Sanders would get almost half of the regular delegates support eventually, I'm sure many may have waited to cast their ballot. But as it was, Sanders had a steep uphill climb to overcome the handicap. Many would say an unfair handicap.

is a false flag used to make excuses why a candidate lost the nomination.

Facts are facts, and votes are votes.

The real problem of course is Open primaries. The truth is DEMOCRATS should choose who their Democratic nominee is, not someone who refuses to be a Democrat

Let the candidates present their case as to why they should be the nominee and let the voters decide. In the end it will be necessary to secure the voters for the general election.

undermine, criticize...

He's not even a Democrat and we fall for the BS.

We owe our party and our country more, especially now. It will not be solely the fault of the repiggie Congress and 45 if we lose our democracy. We fall for this BS at our own peril.

Sid

and somehow that is seen as dividing, discouraging, undermining and criticizing?

And really, it's not funny, it's just sad. The ability to have intellectually honest conversation on this site appears to be completely gone.

I've been here for almost 15 years (eta: on a previous username for the first few years) and I've seen DU go through a lot of shit but this is just toxic.



eta: Just noticed on your profile that you've been here even longer than me. Even sadder.

with someone who supports any move that divides and weakens our party at this point in history.

Bye.

undermine, criticize...

He's not an official Democrat so we fall for the BS*.

We owe our party and our country more, especially now. It will not be solely the fault of the repiggie Congress and 45 if we lose our democracy. We fall for this BS* at our own peril.


*that Sanders is the enemy and that anything he likes, we must NOT like, even if the party itself voted in favour, ...and rail against it, even at the expense of party unity. That we will stamp our feet and get red in the face and undermine and criticize our party's decision to make the primaries fairer, because.......we have the right to hold onto our grudges as long as we want to dammit!

only Democrats can run in Dem primaries.

Because superdelegates have never actually played any role in deciding the Democratic nominee, I'd say this is a good pair of rulings all around.

What's your point?

....that to run in a Democratic primary one must be a DEMOCRAT.

I wonder when they'll address tax returns?

If we can be of further assistance, just let us know.

not.

This rule was also adopted today https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/25/democrats-slash-superdelegate-influence-and-force-all-presidential-candidates-to-be-members-of-the-party.html

Link to tweet

How would you stop anyone from changing after they were elected?

would ever entertain such a deplorable idea. Plus he or she would lose too much support to ever be an effective leader of the Democratic party.

Obviously it is directed toward Sanders who categorizes himself as an Independent when he isn't running for President

However, I think they or he should realize the blowback from such behavior would not allow them to be an effective leader and rather thought of as a political opportunist of the rankest sort.

as an independent with no chance of winning and f**k up the election for the Democrats in a fit of pique. Polling "well" depends on when and whom is polled and by whom the polling is done by as we have seen in some of the recent polls.

The combination of eliminating super delegates plus retaining caucuses will skew the party far left. How is the far right posture working out for Republicans ? Sanders has done nothing but criticize this party. Now he has been handed the party gift wrapped. Where do we go now ?

a classless, stateless society? I would like to know more about this far left I keep hearing about.

circular firing squad, ready, aim, FIRE!

Just sayin'

And it was a giant slap in the face to the Congressional Black Caucus. This move disturbs me beyond measure.

that he would be denied the nomination if he had won the pledged delegates.

the nominee. I never understood why their existence bunched panties, but whatever.

I like the ruling that excludes non-Dems from Dem primaries though.

They claim the supers denied Saint Bernard the nomination, but overlook the fact that going into convention, Clinton had more votes, more delegates and had always led in primary polling.

The Busters were the ones who wanted the supers to to override the delegate count, claiming since she was "under FBI investigation," she should not be the nominee.

for at least 4 years in order to run for President as a Democrat.

will really make the process more democratic.

Because that's where he won the bulk of his tantrum-throwing, heckling delegates

Russia was the main factor in dividing us during the primaries. Remember the "Bernie Bros.?" That was Russia. Enough with the Bernie hate. Enough with the Hilary hate. What happened during the primaries is history. If we don't come together, we will have four more years of Trump & Republican rule. I was a Bernie Sanders supporter but jumped behind Hilary once she was the nominee. I will continue to support the candidate that supports the progressive movement, whether they have a "D" or "I" next to their name. We need to unite, not divide! Vote for what will support us, the people!

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Something good to say...miracles do happen when he gets his way

superdelegeates,” - Tad Devine, 2008

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89369899

In fact had he joined the Democratic party 5+ years before the election rather than just side with them on most things he might very well have won the nomination.

Instead of just jumping in at the very last minute, to get the money and marketing of "the system," and get out in front of those crowds, while avoiding the prep work.

That said, he is not known for working well in groups, and doesn't like it when he isn't the one giving orders. That understandably leads to colleagues not stampeding to give him recommendations for management.

But he spins that as being better than "the establishment" types, who his purity of intention "threatens," as I have been told. Quite successfully.

and nominating him over the candidate that actually won more votes.

It should be shelved like the Electoral college.

may run on the ballot to be a delegate that has voting powers. Otherwise what is the point of being a superdelegate?

The media and Sanders made superdelegates out to be more than what it was. Sanders did not lose because of the superdelegates. He lost even without the superdelegates. To me, Sanders is acting like a spoiled kid.