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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 03:04 PM Aug 2018

Flowers, tributes offered for McCain at Vietnam War crash site

Source: Reuters



AUGUST 26, 2018 / 3:02 AM / UPDATED 9 HOURS AGO

James Pearson
4 MIN READ



HANOI (Reuters) - On the shores of a still and peaceful lake on the edge of downtown Hanoi, the inscription on a faded monument stands as a reminder of a violent event 51 years ago.

“On Oct 26, 1967, at Truc Bach Lake, the military and people of Hanoi arrested Major John Sidney McCain, a pilot of the American Navy’s air force,” it says on the sculpture, which depicts an airman with his hands above his head in front of a broken plane wing.

McCain, a U.S. senator who ran unsuccessfully for president as a self-styled maverick Republican in 2008 and became a prominent critic of President Donald Trump, died on Saturday, his office said. He was 81.

The naval aviator was flying one of 10 planes that were shot down by the North Vietnamese military on the same day, according to the inscription on the statue, which McCain himself visited on a return to Vietnam in 2009.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mccain-vietnam/flowers-tributes-offered-for-mccain-at-vietnam-war-crash-site-idUSKCN1LB055

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Flowers, tributes offered for McCain at Vietnam War crash site (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2018 OP
Class act Botany Aug 2018 #1
Does it actually say "Major?" cab67 Aug 2018 #2
Lt Cmdr is the same pay grade as Major (O-4) sarge43 Aug 2018 #5
Wow. TygrBright Aug 2018 #3
I don't think that is the case. The article indicates that the flowers were placed by American 3Hotdogs Aug 2018 #4
I don't doubt that he is a hero to the Vietnamese SCantiGOP Aug 2018 #9
Did anyone else notice. . . Roadside Attraction Aug 2018 #6
...and Russia?? lastlib Aug 2018 #7
They are planning SCantiGOP Aug 2018 #10
So heartwarming. iluvtennis Aug 2018 #8
John McCain's Hanoi Hilton jailor recalls 'stubborn' POW dalton99a Aug 2018 #11
I visited the prison McCain and other POWs had been held in Hanoi. former9thward Aug 2018 #12

cab67

(3,007 posts)
2. Does it actually say "Major?"
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 03:45 PM
Aug 2018

'Major' is not a naval rank, but it might be the closest word in Vietnamese to John McCain's actual rank (Lt. Commander) at the time of his capture. I think he retired from the Navy as a Captain.

sarge43

(28,945 posts)
5. Lt Cmdr is the same pay grade as Major (O-4)
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 05:13 PM
Aug 2018

My guess is the designer of that tribute confused the two grades, especially considering "US Navy air force". Yes he did retire as a Captain (O-6).

Very decent of the Vietnamese

TygrBright

(20,763 posts)
3. Wow.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 03:56 PM
Aug 2018

The tributes of one-time "enemies" speak very loudly.

Forgiveness is a lever that can move the Universe.

appreciatively,
Bright

3Hotdogs

(12,408 posts)
4. I don't think that is the case. The article indicates that the flowers were placed by American
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 04:04 PM
Aug 2018

citizens in Viet Nam. To me, the site seems to be honoring the N.V.N. achievement in shooting down the plane. I have no problem with them doing that. Just that the focus of the site and the placement of flowers need correct interpretation.

If my understanding is not correct, please advise.

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
9. I don't doubt that he is a hero to the Vietnamese
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 05:54 PM
Aug 2018

Remember that it was Clinton who proposed normalizing relations with Vietnam, but the repubs were strongly opposed. McCain dragged them into agreement; it was hard to refute the guy who had spent years in their prison camp.

 
6. Did anyone else notice. . .
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 05:35 PM
Aug 2018

This from the article:

The U.S. Embassy in Hanoi said on Sunday it planned to launch a fellowship to support a “young Vietnamese leader committed to public service” to travel to the United States on a study tour annually.

The program will be named the “McCain/Kerry Fellowship” in honor of McCain and John Kerry, another Vietnam War veteran who has promoted U.S.-Vietnam issues during his political career, the embassy said in a statement.


No doubt there will be scholarships named for Trump all over North Korea, Europe, Africa, Central America . . . right??

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
10. They are planning
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 05:56 PM
Aug 2018

to snuggle him up next to Lenin when the old bastard croaks. They won't even have to preserve the body it has so much tanning spray on it.

dalton99a

(81,578 posts)
11. John McCain's Hanoi Hilton jailor recalls 'stubborn' POW
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 05:57 PM
Aug 2018
https://www.afp.com/en/news/206/john-mccains-hanoi-hilton-jailor-recalls-stubborn-pow-doc-18k8nh2
John McCain's Hanoi Hilton jailor recalls 'stubborn' POW

....

The early years were grim.

McCain was held in solitary confinement and suffered from dysentery. For months on end, he was fed only bread and pumpkin soup. He communicated with fellow inmates by tapping codes on the thick concrete walls.

And then there were the interrogations and beatings.

"Ropes were put on me and I sat that night bound with ropes," McCain wrote after his 1973 release, recalling one brutal session.

"For the next four days, I was beaten every two to three hours by different guards. My left arm was broken again and my ribs were cracked." ...

His former jailor preferred to focus on the rosier memories, recalling how they joked, shared stories about family and travel, and even dished about women.

former9thward

(32,080 posts)
12. I visited the prison McCain and other POWs had been held in Hanoi.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:26 PM
Aug 2018

Hoa Lo Prison or the "Hanoi Hilton" as it was called. I was there in 1992 when it was still a functioning prison and again in 2009 when most of it had been torn down. I saw the cell McCain spent most of his time and where he was tortured. The picture of McCain is when he visited the prison and his former cell which the Vietnamese have kept.







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