Why would anyone think they could do the job better than a paramedic? Also it was a mob of 80 people. They couldn't all have been family.

It’s mind boggling to me how people don’t really read these things critically in the first place.

Here’s a simple question - who counted the 80 people? The paramedics in the van? Did the mob take roll call and later tell the reporter?

The “80” number is not attributed to anyone in particular.

Like, this riot is going on over a drug overdose, and someone is sitting around going “one, two, three...” up to 80.

detailing a clinical case of mine, a plethora of responders post replies saying things like: "I discontinued the treatment my doctor prescribed for me. What does he know? I know my body!"

Way to go, assholes. You cost a guy his life...

They didn't want a woman helping to treat a man.

What were they thinking? If this is his family support system, it's no wonder he overdosed on drugs. Unbelievable.

and hurt people to support his drug habit.

Why else would they go crazy, and the only injured person was the female medic?

You have excellent observation skills.

That is speculative beyond words ... and the history of 'nurses' as being perhaps the most respected females in the world, going back ... forever ... makes this even more random of an accusation.

I'd guess that this situation had nothing to do with sexism of the kind being guessed about here. Though, all bets are sadly off if these are all Muslim men, sorry to have to say ...

I think it's more likely you had a crew of drug addicts surrounding a paramedic van, and they were thinking 'there's drugs in there' ... and the nurse ended up hurt because she was the one most vehemently protecting the patient, as nurses do ...

My mom, and sister-in-law, are both nurses ... let me just say ...

where this occurred, and a significant Muslim population (about 30%). So why is this so hard to believe that these men -- who fought so hard to prevent paramedics from touching a man -- were Muslim? When you know that the only paramedic who was injured was a woman?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/man-dies-as-mob-attacks-paramedics-union/news-story/2ea5aaf076fac2efcd86ed4f0d481fbd

He called for faster intervention by police and said attacks on paramedics in the Bankstown area had become a regular occurrence.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/11/muslims-ready-to-sacrifice-everything-for-caliphate-says-ismail-al-wahwah

A hardline Islamic leader from a group advocating an Islamic caliphate says Muslims should be ready to make sacrifices to achieve it.

“We believe this world deserves a new world order,” Ismail Al-Wahwah declared at an event headed by the controversial Hizb ut-Tahrir organisation.

More than 200 people attended the lecture at Lakemba in Sydney’s west on Friday night where Al-Wahwah, a sheik from Bankstown, denounced Australia’s involvement in the US-led campaign in Iraq and Syria aimed at fighting Isis extremists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankstown

The religious make up of Bankstown is 28.9% Islam, 17.7% Catholic, 12.9% No Religion, 11.1% Buddhism.[1]

Should've just made your actual accusation in the first place

It's also possible that both situations .. combine to create 'the truth', let me just point out.

It's not like it's unheard of for people from Muslim countries (originally) to be addicts. Or people from ANYWHERE, really ... just sayin' ...

to be the ones to operate the defibrillator. (It wasn't just the drugs that they wanted.)

Also, I had heard before that there was a substantial Muslim population in Sydney. I know that some fundies (Jewish orthodox too) don't even want medical personnel to touch someone of the opposite sex, so that's what I guessed was happening in this otherwise inexplicable case. And then I googled and found nothing that made it seem less possible . . .

Man I hate stupid people ... srsly ...

The guy died, so ... murder charges anyone? If not, why not? But ...wtf, this appears to be getting routine there! There's more to this story I suspect.

felony murder, a form of 1st degree murder. For instance, the driver of the getaway car for a bank robbery where some hothead shoots the bank guard dead can be charged with felony murder even though the driver never went inside the bank. That's American law, though. Not sure what Australian law is.

The first item on a paramedic's checklist is "scene safety". If the paramedic is assaulted, the patient dies. Paramedics are taught to secure their safety.

Police should have cleared the scene for the paramedics, but it was probably sudden chaos and nobody expected trouble that needed a police backup.

Many will take a chance if they see a life-threatening injury to the patient. I NEVER encountered such a scene, but if I thought there was a child bleeding-out and I knew I could help that child, I'd probably take a chance. That's why you become a responder to begin with.

I've never heard about this particular bizarre public behaviour anywhere else.

"...attacks on paramedics in the Bankstown area had become a regular occurrence."

"Had become a regular occurrence."???

WTF is going on there?

than read an incident report or press release. What was the motivation? What about assault charges? As another commenter mentioned, you would also have to look at some type of manslaughter by preventing EMTs from rendering aid.

For those assaulting the paramedics, not tragic and they should answer for their crimes. F them whatever their motivation.

"There is roughly one paramedic being assaulted in NSW every two days," Mr Hazzard said.

"It is just insane that a paramedic … is at risk of being assaulted and having their life threatened ... by people who are apparently under the influence of drugs or alcohol or are just plain stupid."


[link:https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/riot-squad-called-to-sydney-bar-after-cowardly-attack-on-ambos-20180826-p4zztn.html|

The fact that so many men were irate enough to attack a woman and allow a family member to die seems very odd.

morphine or the like inside.

Just a guess, mind you ... which really sucks because it's gonna lead to there NOT being morphine in the vans for people who REALLY need it, gunshot victims for example ...

OTOH, all bets are off if these are all Muslim men, sorry to have to say ...

Most strange stories like this are drug related

I do not want to party with these folks

As I recall, this went on for several months.

The real story starting to emerge.

Sydney Morning Herald.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/family-s-pain-amplified-by-false-reports-of-drug-overdose-violent-mob-lawyer-20180903-p501go.html

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“The paramedics indicated to Mr Ibrahim’s family that they could not revive him. This news was, understandably, met with distress and an emotional reaction from Mr Ibrahim’s family,” Mr Rahal said.

Mr Ibrahim had a very large extended family living nearby. Many family members and friends came to Mr Ibrahim’s side when they heard of his death, Mr Rahal said.
Hamze Ibrahim has been remember as a hard working and dedicated family man who was loved and respected by family and friends.

Hamze Ibrahim has been remember as a hard working and dedicated family man who was loved and respected by family and friends.
Photo: Supplied

“The large number of people who did attend were emotional and many had difficulty accepting what had occurred, however, none were violent or threatening towards paramedics or police,” he said.

The sheer number of people, and their tense, emotional state may have prompted the paramedics to call for police assistance.

equipment on him (implies they could not except his death. contrasting ideas.

Paramedics claim they could've saved him (bold claim, but let's go with it), family says that the paramedics said they couldn't save him. Odds are it was a little bit of everything. Family member is unresponsive, other family surrounds him, paramedics tell them to move away, get back, etc, some get heated, others maybe even decide to take things into their own hands as the paramedics are understandably shaken up by the mob, the paramedics retreat to their ambulance. The guy doesn't get treatment.

I think the Muslim bashing here is probably a bit over the top and exaggerated of what happened. Mob mentality is a strange thing. And yes it was a mob apparently because the riot police had to be called in to disperse them. A lot of people freaked out and possibly cost a dude his life.

to become a viral anti-muslim meme that can spread all over the world.

There is an agenda to these kinds of stories.

The first story mentioned nothing about race or religion. If it were an attempt at an "anti-Muslim meme", those facts surely would have been mentioned.

if it were up to me all 80 men would all be deported immediately. they should not have been let into the country in the first place. religious fanatics have no place in a western democracy. they contribute nothing to society except dragging us back into the dark ages.

My thoughts exactly

When medical people are treating an injured person, public safety controls the area to PREVENT confusion or PROBLEMS..........My guess is public safety may have been INVISIBLE.....The guy with the BADGE & GUN may NOT have wanted to help control a MOB............

The Australian Paramedics Association has apologised to the family of Hamze Ibrahim for falsely claiming paramedics were unable to treat the dying 25-year-old due to "mob" of "angry males".

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In a statement on Wednesday the APA said it had investigated the case and identified "factual inaccuracies" in its initial media release.

"APA (NSW) acknowledges that any statement in the previous media release to the effect that Mr Ibrahim’s family members either contributed or were in any way responsible for his death is wholly incorrect and should not have been published," the statement said.

"Likewise, APA (NSW) further acknowledges that at no time did Mr Ibrahim’s family members obstruct or threaten paramedics whilst they were administering medical assistance to Mr Ibrahim. Unfortunately, despite doing everything that they could, paramedics were unable to revive Mr Ibrahim.

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Fairfax Media understands the Health Services Union (HSU) received a number of calls from paramedics in the area who were alarmed by the factual inaccuracies in the APA's initial statement.

Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/wholly-incorrect-apa-apologises-for-blaming-man-s-death-on-angry-mob-20180905-p501ug.html