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Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 07:36 PM Sep 2018

Female doctors should be paid less because they 'do not work as hard,' male doctor says

Source: Washington Post


BY TAYLOR TELFORD
The Washington Post
September 02, 2018 05:38 PM
Updated 1 hour 52 minutes ago

A Plano, Texas, doctor sparked outrage after he told a medical publication that female physicians make less than men because they “don’t do not work as hard” and prioritize “something else ... family, social, whatever.”

Medical professionals have since taken Gary Tigges to task on social media for views they say are discriminatory and disproved by most research. Some have criticized the Dallas Medical Journal for highlighting the remarks; others have praised the monthly magazine for exposing them.

The quote appeared in the “Big and Bright Ideas” section of the September edition of the Dallas Medical Journal as part of a feature asking industry professionals to share their thoughts and potential solutions to the gender pay gap in medicine.

Tigges contribution: “Female physicians do not work as hard and do not see as many patients as male physicians ... This is because they choose to, or they simply don’t want to be rushed, or they don’t want to work the long hours.”

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Female doctors should be paid less because they 'do not work as hard,' male doctor says (Original Post) Judi Lynn Sep 2018 OP
Or... Roy Rolling Sep 2018 #1
Amen. uberblonde Sep 2018 #4
Good point! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #10
Exactly. paleotn Sep 2018 #14
I was just treated by one of the best doctors PatSeg Sep 2018 #19
I too had a fabulous doctor Chrysanthemum Sep 2018 #53
Some these medical groups or practices PatSeg Sep 2018 #54
+100 n/t MBS Sep 2018 #40
Or women doctors are smarter than men and can do the job easier than males. demigoddess Sep 2018 #51
This doctor has a big mouth,... magicarpet Sep 2018 #2
Seems to be an autoproctologist nt Xipe Totec Sep 2018 #7
Well,.. if all his patients got a nasty case of explosive diarrhea that would be just dandy. magicarpet Sep 2018 #18
Lol.. whathehell Sep 2018 #20
"Autoproctologist"...I like it. whathehell Sep 2018 #21
Watch it with the gynecologist cracks. volstork Sep 2018 #23
what a bunch of shit.. as if woman cant walk and chew gum at the same time??.. samnsara Sep 2018 #3
That man best find a place to hide & quick. nt irisblue Sep 2018 #5
Bio: dalton99a Sep 2018 #6
I wonder if he has a wife who does everything at home mainer Sep 2018 #8
Probably. volstork Sep 2018 #24
Or he's a MRA and is conspicuously single because he's a Neanderthal Arazi Sep 2018 #36
What a dick! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #9
He's got that creepy slicked back evangelical minister hair thing going on.... AJT Sep 2018 #11
Ya know, men have had this country from the beginning and... Kajun Gal Sep 2018 #12
Interesting. qwlauren35 Sep 2018 #13
Hey Mrs. Tigges, go on strike! Let your husband do everything at home mainer Sep 2018 #15
Of course one could interpret his comments differently Raven123 Sep 2018 #16
Oddly, it's mostly staff positions where he works. Igel Sep 2018 #31
Recent study found you have better outcomes treated in ER by a FEMALE doctor. Doodley Sep 2018 #17
Not surprised. The ones I've had actually listen to me, for the most part. catrose Sep 2018 #22
Maybe the number of patients he rushes through the office SharonClark Sep 2018 #33
Looks like he's trying to walk it back jxla Sep 2018 #25
An apology based on legal advice. He's put himself in jeopardy of being sued. yardwork Sep 2018 #41
bingo obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #44
Hey there! How ya doing? yardwork Sep 2018 #48
Yeah, you took a chit, stepped in it, now you are trying to Ferrets are Cool Sep 2018 #52
My personal care physician is a woman and I thank God for her every day! pazzyanne Sep 2018 #26
Way most physicians are paid pretty much depends on number of patients they see. Hoyt Sep 2018 #27
This guy is a disgrace and deserves every bit of backlash he's getting Docreed2003 Sep 2018 #28
Wonder how much he thinks CNAs should be paid. Pope George Ringo II Sep 2018 #29
I can say the hardest working doc I know is a woman The Genealogist Sep 2018 #30
Years ago Rebl2 Sep 2018 #32
I am aware of a judge (now deceased) who would play bridge with people waiting in his courtroom. Shrike47 Sep 2018 #34
Bullshit. Turbineguy Sep 2018 #35
What's with the weird checkerboard tuxedo? 3catwoman3 Sep 2018 #37
That mess creeped me out, too. Usually people choose things they think look nice to special events. Judi Lynn Sep 2018 #38
What a dick. Female doctors went to med school and did residency just like the male iluvtennis Sep 2018 #39
Holy cow. My mom's doctor is the hardest working professional I've ever seen. forgotmylogin Sep 2018 #42
He looks like a Mega Church preacher!!! riversedge Sep 2018 #43
Xame thought hit me. alphafemale Sep 2018 #46
I almost feel sorry for him. dgibby Sep 2018 #45
Big grin stopwastingmymoney Sep 2018 #47
I am still alive because of a female doctor. roamer65 Sep 2018 #49
What! bigbadR Sep 2018 #50

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
1. Or...
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 07:46 PM
Sep 2018

Women doctors should be paid more because they are more careful and spend more time with each patient.

Raw statistics are sometimes useless in adding to our enlightenment.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
14. Exactly.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:17 PM
Sep 2018

Some are just not into churn em and burn em medicine. And...gee whiz!...sometimes they may actually be able to diagnose correctly in those circumstances where one size doesn't fit all. Whodathunk?! With the added benefit of not viewing their patients as walking dollar signs.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
19. I was just treated by one of the best doctors
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:29 PM
Sep 2018

I've ever had. She is married with two very young children, works as long as 72 hour shifts, and still finds time to ask questions, listen to patients, and give them her undivided attention. She is really smart and very thorough.

I've had doctors like this jerk. Someone else referred to him as a "churn and burn" doctor. They treat patients like they are on an assembly line, never actually seeing a person there. Their fast pace is often careless and dangerous, not particularly healing.

I hope this idiot's name and face are spread all over the Internet.

Chrysanthemum

(188 posts)
53. I too had a fabulous doctor
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 04:59 PM
Sep 2018

...in family medicine who quit her original position in a "churn and burn' practice, because they objected to the amount of time she spent with patients.

She had the last laugh, though. She was hired by a Mayo Clinic Family Medicine practice and then also taught Family Medicine in the Mayo Clinic system.

I loved her so much and I was lucky that she was my doctor for many, many years. I still miss her a lot now that she finally retired.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
54. Some these medical groups or practices
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 05:50 PM
Sep 2018

are run like a Firestone dealership. Not only do they encourage doctors to see as many patients as possible in a given period of time, they also are expected to increase the bottom line with lots of add-ons, in the form of additional tests and procedures.

One newbie doctor charged me $7 to put a oximeter on my finger during an office visit. I had an oximeter in my purse! No one had ever charged me for that before or since, it is like charging you individually to take your temperature or weigh you. Too often they treat patients like consumers.

Good for your former doctor. Some people really go into medicine to be healers, not highly educated sales people.

I just rewatched an old movie from the nineties with William Hurt called The Doctor and it is as timely today as it was back then. Also I hadn't realized it was based on a true story.

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
51. Or women doctors are smarter than men and can do the job easier than males.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 02:35 PM
Sep 2018

Poor men trying to keep up with the girls, and just can't manage as well.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
3. what a bunch of shit.. as if woman cant walk and chew gum at the same time??..
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 07:52 PM
Sep 2018

..every single one of my health care providers are women. My dentist fixed a broken crown for me on a Sat morning and brought both her infant and toddler with her. Hubby entertained toddler and infant in carrier in the room with us. Lets see big mouth dr tiggs do that!

dalton99a

(81,515 posts)
6. Bio:
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:04 PM
Sep 2018

Dr. Gary Tigges was born and raised in Bancroft, Iowa. He earned a Bachelor of Science degree in Exercise Physiology from the University of Iowa in 1988 and a Medical Degree from the University of Iowa College of Medicine in 1992. Dr. Tigges completed his internal medicine residency at the University of Texas-Houston in 1995. He started his private practice at Presbyterian Hospital of Plano in 1995 and founded Plano Internal Medicine in 1996.

Dr. Tigges is board-certified by the American Board of Internal Medicine.

Dr. Tigges has been very active in the medical leadership at Presbyterian Hospital of Plano. He has served on the Medical Board since 1999 and was elected by his peers as President of the Medical Staff in 2006. He has also served as Chairman of the Department of Medicine, the Bioethics Committee, the Peer Review Committee and currently chairs the Credentials Committee.

Dr. Tigges has served on councils for the Texas Medical Association and is a member of the Dallas County Medical Society.

Dr. Tigges’ community involvement includes previous board memberships of the Wellness Center of Plano and DIFFA Dallas. He currently serves as a board member for the Patrons of the Arts in the Vatican Museums and serves on the benefit committee for amfAR (American Foundation for AIDS Research). He is a member of Holy Trinity Catholic Church in Dallas. He has traveled on medical relief missions to such places as Haiti, Ecuador, and Zimbabwe.

Dr. Tigges’ hobbies include fitness, photography and world travel.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
8. I wonder if he has a wife who does everything at home
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:06 PM
Sep 2018

And that's why he thinks he "works harder" than his female colleagues. Because half his work is done for him by a woman.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
11. He's got that creepy slicked back evangelical minister hair thing going on....
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:11 PM
Sep 2018

and the attitude to go with it.

 

Kajun Gal

(1,907 posts)
12. Ya know, men have had this country from the beginning and...
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:11 PM
Sep 2018

Perhaps it's time to give women a chance? Sure couldn't be any worse! And might be quite a bit better!! Won't know unless we try and see...

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
13. Interesting.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:14 PM
Sep 2018

My sister was a doctor who hated being forced to see more patients and spend less time with them. If this guy thinks taking more pains to do a good job is a reason to be paid less...

I'm at a loss. This guy is seeing the bottom line. More patients, more money, bigger salary. If he is a bean counter, which he seems to be, then he does not value patient care or patient relationships.

What would probably make him see the light is if a woman doctor had a bigger practice, more patients, and more referrals, because she took better care of her patients.

But otherwise, I don't think he'll be swayed.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
15. Hey Mrs. Tigges, go on strike! Let your husband do everything at home
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:18 PM
Sep 2018

So he can find out about the truly long hours women physicians work every day because their husbands refuse to pitch in.

I worked as a doctor, married to a doctor. And after working an equal number of hours every day in the hospital, guess who cooked dinner every night? It sure wasn't hubby.

Luckily things changed.

Raven123

(4,849 posts)
16. Of course one could interpret his comments differently
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:19 PM
Sep 2018

Could he be saying that male physicians rush patients through to see as many as possible and make more money than female physicians who spend more time with individual patients, listen to their concerns and throughtfully address them - a trait not valued by our current reimbursement system? As far as working the long hours, how about an evidence-based opinion.

Pity his patients, or should I say clients.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
31. Oddly, it's mostly staff positions where he works.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:38 PM
Sep 2018

But studies of the pay gap consistently find a number of factors that lead to lower wages. Think of them as pluses or minuses, doesn't matter, because they lead to more or less money and it's money we're talking about.

However, the studies also consistently find that even after accounting for all the factors in some principled statistical way, there's still a wage gap. How wide depends on specialty. In fact, there's at least one specialization which women make more.

catrose

(5,068 posts)
22. Not surprised. The ones I've had actually listen to me, for the most part.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:35 PM
Sep 2018

But does he cite any evidence besides his opinion?

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
33. Maybe the number of patients he rushes through the office
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:05 PM
Sep 2018

without really listening to them.

Sounds like he may treat the symptons and not the person.

jxla

(201 posts)
25. Looks like he's trying to walk it back
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:57 PM
Sep 2018
http://planointernalmedicine.com/gary-a-tigges-md-pa/

I have heard from several trusted female physician colleagues who disagree with and are deeply hurt and offended by the comments I made to the Dallas Medical Journal regarding pay equity among female and male physicians.

I want to thank them for reaching out to me and sharing their concerns. I now understand more clearly how intricate this issue is and that there are ways we can work together to resolve these disparities.

I have worked closely with numerous female physicians for nearly three decades and have witnessed nothing but compassion, diligence and professionalism.

I sincerely apologize to all female physicians for my comments and the pain they have caused.

I also need to apologize to my partners and the staff at Plano Internal Medicine Associates, where we have an open and supportive work environment and where we do not tolerate discrimination based on gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation or religion.

Gary Tigges, MD

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
41. An apology based on legal advice. He's put himself in jeopardy of being sued.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 08:12 AM
Sep 2018

He runs his own practice. His quote strongly implies that he pays female employees less because of his personal bias. He's at risk for a federal lawsuit.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
26. My personal care physician is a woman and I thank God for her every day!
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:20 PM
Sep 2018

If I had not had her as my doctor, I would have been dead 3 years ago. She was the doctor who helped confirm a diagnosis for a fatal autoimmune disease, put together a specialist team, coordinated that team, and keeps a close eye on my lab reports. I don't know any male doctor that could have done more. She still tells me that her job is to continue to give me a long and healthy (as possible) life. I trust her implicitly, and will keep her as long as I can.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
27. Way most physicians are paid pretty much depends on number of patients they see.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:25 PM
Sep 2018

For most, only a small percentage of a physician’s pay actually depends on quality, including how patients perceive them say by spending more time talking to patients.

Thus, if a man in the same specialty as a woman, spends a lot of time taking off for golf, kids, or whatever, he’s likely to make less than a woman who works more. Don’t really have a problem with that, although I wish quality of care had more to do with reimbursement.

Obviously, there are other factors including who started the medical group, how it’s grown, whether physician is straight salary or a partner, etc. But the check that comes from Medicare or a commercial insurer for seeing a patient for a similar service, is the same whether performed by a male or female. Often that goes into compensation for physicians based upon “productivity.”

Docreed2003

(16,863 posts)
28. This guy is a disgrace and deserves every bit of backlash he's getting
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:28 PM
Sep 2018

So sick of misogynists in my profession...

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
29. Wonder how much he thinks CNAs should be paid.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:33 PM
Sep 2018

I'm not sure there's anybody in the field who works harder than they do, and I know you couldn't pay me enough to do that job.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
30. I can say the hardest working doc I know is a woman
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:35 PM
Sep 2018

I should know, the bulk of my job is billing charges for hospitalists. I have one doc who has four separate billing codes because she works in four different areas of the hospital. Not only does she put in the hours, she beats the other doctors in the quality of her documentation, makes the fewest errors in her billing orders, and still stands out among the other doctors in her department for her rapport with patients. This guy can stuff it.
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Rebl2

(13,523 posts)
32. Years ago
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:59 PM
Sep 2018

I saw a male rheumatologist. There were times I would go for an appointment and would be there for 2 or more hours. When I switched to a new female dr in the practice, boy did things change-for the better. She really listened to me, tweaked my treatment (my arthritis got better) got me in and out in about an hour. I’m still seeing her after 29 years. I found out later the male doctor would sometimes go into his office and sit and read while he still had patients waiting to see him.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
34. I am aware of a judge (now deceased) who would play bridge with people waiting in his courtroom.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:17 PM
Sep 2018

It’s good to be king.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
38. That mess creeped me out, too. Usually people choose things they think look nice to special events.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 12:40 AM
Sep 2018

Maybe he made it himself.

iluvtennis

(19,863 posts)
39. What a dick. Female doctors went to med school and did residency just like the male
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 02:07 AM
Sep 2018

doctors and deserve income equality. Are the dark ages here again - gah.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
42. Holy cow. My mom's doctor is the hardest working professional I've ever seen.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 08:26 AM
Sep 2018

We always expect her appointment will run later than scheduled because the Dr. always sits and talks with us in detail for at least 15 minutes and she is doing the same I imagine for all her other patients. I've never been to a doctor that will take the time she does.

Perhaps that's why this guy thinks female doctors don't work - in general, most female physicians I've run across *always* spend time getting to know the issue, where men (in general, not always) ask a couple of questions and then leave everything else to the assistants. Quality over quantity.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
45. I almost feel sorry for him.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 10:19 AM
Sep 2018

Nurses are going to make him wish he'd never been born. As a retired RN, I know this for a fact.

 

bigbadR

(49 posts)
50. What!
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 02:11 PM
Sep 2018

This man is an absolute fool. Women and men in every profession just work differently. Viva la difference!!!

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