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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 09:33 PM Sep 2012

Pilot killed in Iowa air show crash

Source: msnbc

(Reuters) - A Soviet-era military training jet crashed and burst into flames during an air show in Iowa on Saturday, killing the pilot in an accident that occurred near a busy interstate highway, authorities said.

Corporal Jacob Pries of the Davenport Police Department said the accident involving the L-39 jet, developed in the former Czechoslovakia in the late 1960s, occurred about 1:30 p.m. during the annual Quad-City Air Show.

The jet was flying in formation shortly before it crashed alongside the I-80 highway. It plowed into a field near the Eastern Iowa Industrial Center in northern Davenport, Fries said.

There were no injuries or reports of any damage on the ground, Fries added.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48873301

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Pilot killed in Iowa air show crash (Original Post) IDemo Sep 2012 OP
Ouch! RC Sep 2012 #1
This happens all the time at air shows..why do they keep having them? shraby Sep 2012 #2
+1 alittlelark Sep 2012 #3
People die in car crashes all the time, why do they still allow cars? groundloop Sep 2012 #5
Well, this is why I won't take my family to an air show. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #6
rather muck around with a helicopter PatrynXX Sep 2012 #8
It may seem like it, Confusious Sep 2012 #9
I love air shows and will continue to go see them. Frank Cannon Sep 2012 #17
My favorite line is... Major Nikon Sep 2012 #14
Airshows are awesome! psychopomp Sep 2012 #18
No, it's actually quite rare. PavePusher Sep 2012 #20
Those L-39s are showing up more and more. JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #4
They are relatively cheap to buy and plentiful which is why you see them a lot Major Nikon Sep 2012 #11
"inherently unstable" ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #12
Basic aerodynamics, 'professor' Major Nikon Sep 2012 #13
You description is relative and I am not sure most aeronautical engineers would agree with you. ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #15
Whatever you say 'professor' Major Nikon Sep 2012 #16
great. more excitment where I was born PatrynXX Sep 2012 #7
I think it was one of these guys Major Nikon Sep 2012 #10
Could that be the pilot that is on fire to the right in the picture madokie Sep 2012 #19
 

RC

(25,592 posts)
1. Ouch!
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 09:36 PM
Sep 2012

That is some fireball. The plane must have been fully fueled.

Glad no one else was hurt.

groundloop

(11,520 posts)
5. People die in car crashes all the time, why do they still allow cars?
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 09:59 PM
Sep 2012

The FAA has very strict standards about where airshow planes can fly and what types of maneuvers they can do. This is to prevent spectator injuries, and the regulations do a damned good job as was the case this time. NOBODY ON THE GROUND WAS INJURED. Extremely few spectator injuries have ever occurred at airshows in the US because of these regulations.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
6. Well, this is why I won't take my family to an air show.
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 10:08 PM
Sep 2012

If you want to see these things fly, watch a video on the internet.

To me, these shows are just accident magnets.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
9. It may seem like it,
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 11:41 PM
Sep 2012

But there are hundreds of air shows each year, with an accident with only the pilot getting killed every 5, and people getting killed every 10 or so.

I can only name 2 air shows where people were killed in the past 20 years. I'm kinda iffy on the second one.

It's kinda like plane crashes. There are thousands of flights each year, but when one goes down, it's all over the news.

But flying is still the safest way to travel. I don't do it because I get puking bad motion sickness.

But I still love planes.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
17. I love air shows and will continue to go see them.
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 12:54 PM
Sep 2012

Despite the (relatively rare, as you point out) risk.

Summer is the heavy air show season, so there are tons of these things going on all over the country right now. Naturally the odds are going to be higher for an accident.

psychopomp

(4,668 posts)
18. Airshows are awesome!
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 01:21 PM
Sep 2012

The USA has most of the best pilots in the world and an unparalleled inventory of serviceable aircraft and to see them in action is a thrill. I'm quite proud of US aviation history; great American pilots have done great things--even walked on the Moon.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
20. No, it's actually quite rare.
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 03:52 PM
Sep 2012

Why do we let any Homo Sapiens get out of bed? It's too dangerous, I tell ya...

JohnnyRingo

(18,638 posts)
4. Those L-39s are showing up more and more.
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 09:52 PM
Sep 2012

That means there are more and more general aviation pilots flying hot rod jet trainers. The problem may be hours in type, or how many training hours the pilot has had flying a version of this particular high performance aircraft. Military students crash often enough, and they learn under strict supervision.

There's a guy at my local field that has one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_L-39_Albatros

Thanx for posting

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
11. They are relatively cheap to buy and plentiful which is why you see them a lot
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 12:07 AM
Sep 2012

Since a lot of people have them you can find parts that fit them and mechanics who can work on them. I have no desire to own one. They are expensive to operate and even though they are trainers they are still inherently unstable.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
13. Basic aerodynamics, 'professor'
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 11:35 AM
Sep 2012
Definition

Aircraft Stability – The property of an aircraft to maintain its attitude or to resist displacement, and if displaced, to develop forces and moments tending to restore the original condition.
-- NASA Thesaurus, Washington, DC: National Aeronautics and Space Administration.


All fighters aircraft (and to a lesser degree fighter trainers) are designed to be inherently unstable. That's why they generally make for a good aerobatic aircraft. Aircraft like say a Cessna Skyhawk or a Piper Cherokee are designed to be inherently stable, which is why they are great for use as primary and instrument trainers and cross country flight. When you log a few thousand hours in various aircraft with various degrees of aircraft stability, you learn to appreciate the advantage that good aircraft stability gives you for cross country flight and especially so in IMC and turbulence.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
15. You description is relative and I am not sure most aeronautical engineers would agree with you.
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 12:47 PM
Sep 2012

Unstable is better used for airplanes that require an active control system like the Wobbly Goblin (F-117), aircraft that without active and continuous control inputs would diverge. Yes an L-39 is less sedate that the plodding light aircraft designs of the late 50s/early 60s, but so are most LSAs, which are rapidly becoming the dominant trainers for GA. For example, compare a Remos with 150 or 172. Those that used to whine about the "aggressive handling" of the GA Grumman line would be in shock today.

I have several dozen different aircraft in my logbooks, including the Albatross. It was not particularly unstable. Controls are light, but the aircraft does not have a strong tendency to diverge. It was a knock off of the T-38 and handles much like it in many ways.

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