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brooklynite

(94,573 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:08 PM Sep 2018

Key witness tells senators he won't testify at Kavanaugh hearing

Source: Politico

GOP senators are pressing ahead with a rare public hearing next week on Christine Blasey Ford’s sexual assault allegation against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh despite not yet getting her agreement to testify.

Another key witness in Ford’s decades-old allegation, Kavanaugh’s high school classmate Mark Judge, also declined to testify Tuesday. Judge, whom Ford says was the third person in the room when Kavanaugh assaulted her, said in a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee that “I have no more information to offer the committee and I do not wish to speak publicly regarding the incidents.”

Ford, who has accused Kavanaugh of assaulting her while both were in high school, had not yet confirmed her appearance at the hearing as of Tuesday afternoon, according to top Republicans. But the party is vowing to proceed regardless on Sept. 24, as Democrats slam what they describe as a rushed process designed to push Kavanaugh through to confirmation.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told reporters Tuesday that Ford would have “the opportunity to be heard,” whether in public or private, and that he’s not concerned about the matter unraveling Kavanaugh’s nomination.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/18/grassley-kavanaugh-accuser-hearing-827921

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Key witness tells senators he won't testify at Kavanaugh hearing (Original Post) brooklynite Sep 2018 OP
Grassley had already stated no witnesses madaboutharry Sep 2018 #1
Massive disrespect to a brave woman to say "the hearings are next Monday, too bad if you can Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #2
That was my thinking - she has to make a day long flight (probably Saturday or Sunday).... George II Sep 2018 #9
Not to mention her lawyer was not even told...she might have had plans...hope all folks take notice. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #20
Boy, if only Congress had the power to subpoena witnesses to compel their appearance... RockRaven Sep 2018 #3
They can too subpoena - think of all those gangsters and alleged communists ... marble falls Sep 2018 #5
Thanks for the information. Very informative. NT SWBTATTReg Sep 2018 #10
Excellent idea. What would we call it? California_Republic Sep 2018 #7
If only witnesses couldn't invoke their 5th amendment right to refuse to testify PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #12
Seriously? marble falls Sep 2018 #19
They can do that. Mueller has done that for many. nt Gore1FL Sep 2018 #27
+10000 Pachamama Sep 2018 #44
Subpoena the jerk. marble falls Sep 2018 #4
Judge is a coward - to many, he is an accomplice..not a witness - asiliveandbreathe Sep 2018 #6
He would have to take the 5th amendment Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #11
Actually he says he has no recall of the incident occuring so he could always just say that. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #14
I suppose, but he'd better hope Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #17
Why? Neither he nor Kavanaugh are in any criminal jeopardy The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #26
Kavanaugh would at least be in Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #31
He's already in some political jeopardy, and taking the 5th would make it worse. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #32
Judge is a witness and an accomplice and would be an acussed as well. Lots of reasons to avoid Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #21
See above. The statute of limitations regarding the assault ran years ago. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #28
Maryland has no statute of limitation on felony sex crimes. But it would likely be unprosecutable. bench scientist Sep 2018 #33
If it had been prosecuted at all it almost certainly would have been The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #34
very true. Does Dr. Ford have any causes of action should could bring now? bench scientist Sep 2018 #36
Statutes of limitations would have run on civil claims too. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #37
it's he defaming her right now? in the present? bench scientist Sep 2018 #38
As far as can be determined, john657 Sep 2018 #39
Because he said "I've already said everything I have to say" 7962 Sep 2018 #45
Why would she and Kavanaugh be at the hearing together? Perseus Sep 2018 #8
I think she can still press charges? torius Sep 2018 #13
Unless the District Attorney in the jurisdiction agrees to take up the case nothing would happen. nt PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #15
Could she sue them in civil court? n/t Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #18
There are limits on the timeframe to begin a civil lawsuit, see.... PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #22
Thanks. Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #25
But he's lying about her now.So a defamation action or IIED action would be counted from now not1985 bench scientist Sep 2018 #35
Denying something happened isn't really a defamation. Has he called her a liar? n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #47
No statute of limitations on *felony* sex crimes More_Cowbell Sep 2018 #16
There's no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #29
"I do not wish to speak publicly regarding the incidents." Gregory Peccary Sep 2018 #23
"I do not wish to speak publicly regarding the incidents." Incidents? Were there more Autumn Sep 2018 #24
That caught my eye too GusBob Sep 2018 #30
So Mark admits there were "incidents". sinkingfeeling Sep 2018 #40
Smart not to lie under oath. JohnnyRingo Sep 2018 #41
Yup... at least some people are still wary about perjuring themselves... Salviati Sep 2018 #42
So Judge, the third person in the room at the party that Kavanaugh didn't attend, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2018 #43
The FBI needs to speak with him. nt Cognitive_Resonance Sep 2018 #46
I agree duforsure Sep 2018 #48

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. Massive disrespect to a brave woman to say "the hearings are next Monday, too bad if you can
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:12 PM
Sep 2018

not drop everything and fly 2000 miles to be smeared by Eleven Old White Men all to be repeated and smeared endlessly by Fox.

Women voters, have you all taken notice of that?

George II

(67,782 posts)
9. That was my thinking - she has to make a day long flight (probably Saturday or Sunday)....
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:20 PM
Sep 2018

....so she's been given less than a week to make arrangements at home and her job and get flight arrangements.

Ridiculous!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
20. Not to mention her lawyer was not even told...she might have had plans...hope all folks take notice.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:33 PM
Sep 2018

marble falls

(57,093 posts)
5. They can too subpoena - think of all those gangsters and alleged communists ...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:18 PM
Sep 2018

who went before Congress.



https://www.quora.com/How-does-congress-have-the-power-to-subpoena


To understand this authority, one must consider that a conventional subpoena requesting discovery (usually testimony) or the production of documents or other physical evidence is usually issued by an attorney on behalf the court (in his capacity as an officer of the court) rather than directly by a judge or the court itself. However, such subpoenas, while they should not be ignored, can be challenged before the court itself (typical reasons include undue burden, lack of relevance, etc.). What gives the subpoena "teeth" however is that a court may hold a party in contempt of court if they do not successfully challenge or comply with a subpoena once issued.

It seems that Congress has always believed itself endowed with the authority to also hold people in contempt; in this case contempt of Congress. This authority was recognized by the US Supreme court in 1821 in Anderson V Dunn, and later formally added to the US criminal code in 1857.

Additionally, although not well known, Congress is the Sovereign authority of the District of Columbia (in the limited way that US States are technically legally sovereign). While it is true that Washington D.C. has a town council, and elected mayor, etc which were enacted by laws approved by Congress, Congress has the constitutional authority to override or veto any of their acts or decisions. Thus it has (mostly) the same sovereign authorities as say the State of NY. Further Section I, article 8 of the constitution authorizes Congress to "constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court." Meaning that Congress can create courts (but they must be lower ranking in authority than the US Supreme Court). It has exercised this authority and created numerous US District Courts, including (unsurprisingly) one for the District of Columbia. Congress has, using this authority, enacted rules which allow for congressional committees and/or individual committee chairs to act as officers of the court, and therefore issue subpoenas which, due to the contempt of congress statutes, have teeth.

That said, however, there are some interesting differences between congressional subpoenas and the more conventional civil and criminal counterparts. Among these are:

1. More limited scope, per Wilkinson v US, the subpoena must be related to the committee's or sub-committee's area of authority, the subpoena must be for information/testimony relevant to the matter, and finally, the inquiry must serve a valid and legitimate legislative purpose.

2. Except for the standards above, courts will generally not hear motions to vacate or amend congressional subpoenas, as the article I, section 6 of the constitution states, in part, that Congress "for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place." This includes courts, and has been interpreted to mean that congressional investigations and deliberations are beyond the scope of the court's authority to review.

3. Inherent (as opposed to statutory) Contempt of Congress is tried by Congress itself (not a court or heard by a jury), cannot be reviewed by courts, and convictions and punishments are not subject to Presidential pardons. This was upheld by the Supreme Court in Jurney v MacCracken. Although as a practical matter, Inherent Contempt has not been used in almost a century.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
6. Judge is a coward - to many, he is an accomplice..not a witness -
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:18 PM
Sep 2018

Seems Judge now cannot defend his actions..nor his good buddy kav,,under oath?? - NOT me says Judge.....

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
26. Why? Neither he nor Kavanaugh are in any criminal jeopardy
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:44 PM
Sep 2018

relating to the incident because the statute of limitations ran years ago. There's no reason to invoke the 5th Amendment.

Mr.Bill

(24,294 posts)
31. Kavanaugh would at least be in
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:01 PM
Sep 2018

political jeopardy. And if you can call what he did a felony, there is no statute of limitations in Maryland for felony sex crimes. Also lying to Congress is illegal. If he says he didn't remember it and he recently (or even not so recently) told someone about it, that would be a problem.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
32. He's already in some political jeopardy, and taking the 5th would make it worse.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:05 PM
Sep 2018

If the incident had been reported at the time it would have been extremely unlikely that a minor (especially one from a "good family" ) with no prior record would have been charged with anything but a misdemeanor - especially during the early '80s.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
21. Judge is a witness and an accomplice and would be an acussed as well. Lots of reasons to avoid
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:35 PM
Sep 2018

saying anything.

Nothing to say? Then why not say it under oath? Puzzling.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
28. See above. The statute of limitations regarding the assault ran years ago.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:46 PM
Sep 2018

Neither Kavanaugh nor Judge has any criminal exposure relating to it.

bench scientist

(1,107 posts)
33. Maryland has no statute of limitation on felony sex crimes. But it would likely be unprosecutable.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:14 PM
Sep 2018

Could Kavanaugh be subject of civil litigation by Dr. Ford though? Defamation, IIED?
Dr. Ford could bring those actions against him after/ depending on his testimony.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
34. If it had been prosecuted at all it almost certainly would have been
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:16 PM
Sep 2018

as a misdemeanor. The perp was a minor with no priors, from "a good family," and this was the early '80s.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
37. Statutes of limitations would have run on civil claims too.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:26 PM
Sep 2018

After 30+ years there's not much that can be done, unfortunately.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
45. Because he said "I've already said everything I have to say"
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 09:00 PM
Sep 2018

So asking him other questions will get no answers other than the standard "I dont recall" or "no"
Whats the point.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
8. Why would she and Kavanaugh be at the hearing together?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:20 PM
Sep 2018

Am I missing something?

If what I understand is true, I think it would be wrong for her to appear while the guy who assaulted her is also in the room. She needs to be able to testify without his interference and I would have to assume that him being there would also be intimidating.

torius

(1,652 posts)
13. I think she can still press charges?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:26 PM
Sep 2018

If it's true that there's no statute of limitations on sex crimes in MD. She could charge both of them and haul their asses into court.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
15. Unless the District Attorney in the jurisdiction agrees to take up the case nothing would happen. nt
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:29 PM
Sep 2018

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
29. There's no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:53 PM
Sep 2018

For most misdemeanors it's a year. I don't know how this would have been charged, but I suspect that a minor with no priors probably would be charged with only with a misdemeanor.

Gregory Peccary

(490 posts)
23. "I do not wish to speak publicly regarding the incidents."
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:38 PM
Sep 2018

Wait, I thought he denied knowing anything at all about the allegation or that anything ever happened, but now he's saying he doesn't want to speak publicly about "the incidents"? That's a whole different statement.

Autumn

(45,091 posts)
24. "I do not wish to speak publicly regarding the incidents." Incidents? Were there more
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:41 PM
Sep 2018

than just the one incident?

JohnnyRingo

(18,633 posts)
41. Smart not to lie under oath.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 07:50 PM
Sep 2018

That sticking up for your buddy thing only goes so far, and Judge never knows when Kavenaugh might break down and admit to it.

Subpoena him anyway. I bet his memory of that night gets very dim.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,341 posts)
43. So Judge, the third person in the room at the party that Kavanaugh didn't attend, ...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:32 PM
Sep 2018

... doesn't want to talk about the kavanaugh attack that kavanaugh committed while he wasnt there.

Got it.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
48. I agree
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 07:56 AM
Sep 2018

The FBI needs to investigate this or it will only get worse for trump and the kgop , and for liar kavanaugh. They can't let any investigation happen on him now or they'll be exposed they knew a lot of things against him all along and still tried to install him into his position to protect themselves. More will come out showing kavanaugh is corrupt and a liar, and trump and the kgop knew it.

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