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alp227

(32,044 posts)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 02:15 AM Sep 2012

Imam held in Pakistan blasphemy case (PLANTED burned Koran on arrested girl)

Source: BBC

Pakistani police have arrested an imam accused of planting burnt pages of the Koran in the bag of a Christian girl accused of blasphemy, officials say.

The girl was detained two weeks ago after after an angry mob demanded she be punished for the alleged crime.

However, a witness has testified that imam Khalid Chishti put the pages in the bag himself, local media say.

The case of the girl, named as Rimsha, who is said to be about 14, has sparked international condemnation.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19454739

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Imam held in Pakistan blasphemy case (PLANTED burned Koran on arrested girl) (Original Post) alp227 Sep 2012 OP
How can someone call himself a holy man when his actions are so evil? McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #1
"How can someone call himself a holy man when his actions are so evil?" greiner3 Sep 2012 #10
Not sure atreides1 Sep 2012 #11
I'd include Mitt, the Bishop who lies for God Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #14
Isn't that blasphemy on his part? Downwinder Sep 2012 #2
If he burned the Koran, yes. bitchkitty Sep 2012 #3
I don't expect Downwinder Sep 2012 #5
i can assure you my bishop is a better person than this guy arely staircase Sep 2012 #32
hadn't thought of that arely staircase Sep 2012 #18
No not really. He can deface the Koran if it pleases Allah... defacto7 Sep 2012 #4
Ditto SoapBox Sep 2012 #21
"Blasphemy" tends to have a self-served criteria. 4saken Sep 2012 #6
There is no such thing as blasphemy. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #7
Don't tell the jurists of Saudi Arabia or Pakistan that! burnsei sensei Sep 2012 #13
It's blasphemy for him because he's a hypocrite. For everyone else, meh? (pic) Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #9
This would fall under the "false witness" commandment (as in don't be one) Kber Sep 2012 #19
well, they call burning it, urinatiing on it or even putting the koran on the ground defacto7 Sep 2012 #30
Presumably the good Imam was just look to "open a dialog" or "spark a debate" Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2012 #8
Gosh, why would he do that? bemildred Sep 2012 #12
Imam's can be bastards -- and this buttwipe is certainly that RVN VET Sep 2012 #15
thank God his deputy imam was a decent man arely staircase Sep 2012 #24
I guess that's one way to clear the Christians from the neighborhood, plant evidence and get the mob riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #16
well, you know what happens one moves into the neighborhood! defacto7 Sep 2012 #27
even if she had done it it is a barbaric and primitive law arely staircase Sep 2012 #17
Same as it ever was - stirring up sectarian shit and wanting an excuse to steal neighbors stuff riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #22
but who burned the pages? arely staircase Sep 2012 #23
Oh I'm dead cert it was the imam but we'll NEVER know that for sure riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #26
i have no idea how one goes from being deputy to chief arely staircase Sep 2012 #31
Is that the same teen girl that was said to have Down's Syndrome? Odin2005 Sep 2012 #20
yes alp227 Sep 2012 #29
There's been so many twists and turns I wonder if even this is true. Archae Sep 2012 #25
This is Pakistan fujiyama Sep 2012 #28

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
1. How can someone call himself a holy man when his actions are so evil?
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 03:30 AM
Sep 2012

This Iman is cut from the same cloth as the Inquisition and the Crusaders. Shame on him.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
10. "How can someone call himself a holy man when his actions are so evil?"
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 07:59 AM
Sep 2012

OH, I thought you were mentioning Evangelical Christians!

atreides1

(16,085 posts)
11. Not sure
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 08:30 AM
Sep 2012

But I know there are several people you can ask...Pat Robertson, Pope Benedict, Cardinal Dolan...I'd put Jerry Falwell on this list but he's already busy doing something else!

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
3. If he burned the Koran, yes.
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 04:06 AM
Sep 2012

But if it's just for framing the girl, he might get off with a scolding...I've learned not to be surprised.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
4. No not really. He can deface the Koran if it pleases Allah...
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 04:07 AM
Sep 2012

In other words, it would be for a good cause. Destroying the infidel.

I don't mean to offend but I believe religion poisons everything.

That poor girl and her family... and what a sick people that Imam and his followers are. He will probably get off.

4saken

(152 posts)
6. "Blasphemy" tends to have a self-served criteria.
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 04:48 AM
Sep 2012

The specifics of each believer's concept of "god" vary. So an act against that god character can be easily found in the actions of others, and easily avoided in one's own. Taking advantage of the brain's cognitive dissonance avoidance.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
19. This would fall under the "false witness" commandment (as in don't be one)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 10:32 AM
Sep 2012

which is forbidden in Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

Blasphemy would be preaching a false or incorrect doctrine, which (assuming you buy the premise that his particular flavor of religion is the right one) he didn't technically do.

Now if he swore in Allah's name that the girl burned the Koran, you have "taking the lord's name in vain" covered.

If his parents were honest and decent folk, you have "honoring your mother and your father" covered as well.

I assume he didn't steal the Koran, so no "no stealing" violation.

I have to wonder about motive. If there is a fine or the opportunity for blackmail, I'd be worried about the commandment not to covet your neighbor's stuff.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
30. well, they call burning it, urinatiing on it or even putting the koran on the ground
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 06:52 PM
Sep 2012

Blasphemy. Blasphemy laws are rampant in the ME and they mean whatever they want them to mean.

But why argue the definition of a non existent concept?

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
8. Presumably the good Imam was just look to "open a dialog" or "spark a debate"
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 05:22 AM
Sep 2012

Since that does seem to fly as the prevailing explanation in North America when a hoax of this nature is exposed.

RVN VET

(492 posts)
15. Imam's can be bastards -- and this buttwipe is certainly that
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 09:47 AM
Sep 2012

One would hope that stoning is not out of the question -- but what will probably happen is he'll say he was under orders from Allah and the mob will go after the girl and her family, either killing them all or forcing them to flee the country. The Pakistani government will issue a page 20 "regret" and move on to other things -- like what are we gonna do about those damned Hindus!

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
24. thank God his deputy imam was a decent man
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 11:14 AM
Sep 2012

"The imam was arrested after his deputy Maulvi Zubair and two others told a magistrate he added pages from the Koran to the burnt pages brought to him by a witness," an investigator Munir Hussain Jaffri said.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
16. I guess that's one way to clear the Christians from the neighborhood, plant evidence and get the mob
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 10:01 AM
Sep 2012

to destroy them, take their home and possessions!

Win win!







for those who missed it....

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
17. even if she had done it it is a barbaric and primitive law
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 10:28 AM
Sep 2012

however, the fact she was set up just....well i don't know.

what was his motivation? just to screw over the christian kid?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
22. Same as it ever was - stirring up sectarian shit and wanting an excuse to steal neighbors stuff
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 10:59 AM
Sep 2012

I guess its possible this imam is a "true believer" but the reasons are probably much more banal - stirring up the mob is fun (and powerful) for religious leaders imho, and they always covet their neighbor's stuff.

Planting the pages on the girl indicates to me, imho, that he's probably just run-of-the-mill-evil, instead of being a "true believer".

End result is the same - the odd (Christian) family is destroyed, mob incited, family's possessions stolen. The "holy man" (sic) will get off with a slap on the wrist, and private praise from the PTB, and go home a hero. Stronger than ever.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
23. but who burned the pages?
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 11:06 AM
Sep 2012

and if it was him, shouldn't he face the same punishment?

oh and he says why he did it:

Imam Khalid Chishti allegedly told a witness, after tampering with the girl's bag, that this was a "way of getting rid of Christians", a prosecutor said.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
26. Oh I'm dead cert it was the imam but we'll NEVER know that for sure
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 11:37 AM
Sep 2012

well, until the Deputy Imam fingers the Chief Imam in order to take his place

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
31. i have no idea how one goes from being deputy to chief
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 08:01 PM
Sep 2012

but i get your point. could be rivalry and a lie, could be rivalry and the truth, could be just the truth and no rivalry, but if it keeps a special needs child from being executed for a religious prohibition, that is a good. and even if the chief imam (possibly former at this point) didn't plant the stuff but he is the one who started the ball rolling against this child then if he ends up getting stoned to death his own actions were 'the proximate cause of his own death. im not endorsing anyones stoning but i am just saying the chief imam will have had sealed his own fate when he tried to seal the little girl's.

that may not be real justice, but it is at least interestingly ironic.

Archae

(46,340 posts)
25. There's been so many twists and turns I wonder if even this is true.
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 11:28 AM
Sep 2012

Maybe the Imam wanted some sex and she raised a ruckus.

Maybe someone is setting up the Imam.

I don't know.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
28. This is Pakistan
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 02:42 PM
Sep 2012

He probably won't face any prosecution. After all, the girl is a "Kafir" or infidel and lying to non-Muslims is just fine in a place like Pakistan. This is a place where even Shiite Muslims are rounded up and killed for no other reason other than being Shiites and the government doesn't bat an eye.

Remember, this is our "committed ally in the war on terrorism"

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