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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:16 PM Sep 2018

Amazon Will Consider Opening Up to 3,000 Cashierless Stores by 2021

Source: Bloomberg

Amazon.com Inc. is considering a plan to open as many as 3,000 new AmazonGo cashierless stores in the next few years, according to people familiar with matter, an aggressive and costly expansion that would threaten convenience chains like 7-Eleven Inc., quick-service sandwich shops like Subway and Panera Bread, and mom-and-pop pizzerias and taco trucks.

Chief Executive Officer Jeff Bezos sees eliminating meal-time logjams in busy cities as the best way for Amazon to reinvent the brick-and-mortar shopping experience, where most spending still occurs. But he’s still experimenting with the best format: a convenience store that sells fresh prepared foods as well as a limited grocery selection similar to 7-Eleven franchises, or a place to simply pick up a quick bite to eat for people in a rush ...

An Amazon spokeswoman declined to comment. The company unveiled its first cashierless store near its headquarters in Seattle in 2016 and has since announced two additional sites in Seattle and one in Chicago. Two of the new stores offer only a limited selection of salads, sandwiches and snacks, showing that Amazon is experimenting with the concept simply as a meal-on-the-run option. Two other stores, including the original AmazonGo, also have a small selection of groceries, making it more akin to a convenience store.

Shoppers use a smartphone app to enter the store. Once they scan their phones at a turnstile, they can grab what they want from a range of salads, sandwiches, drinks and snacks -- and then walk out without stopping at a cash register. Sensors and computer-vision technology detect what shoppers take and bills them automatically, eliminating checkout lines.

Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-19/amazon-is-said-to-plan-up-to-3-000-cashierless-stores-by-2021?srnd=premium

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Amazon Will Consider Opening Up to 3,000 Cashierless Stores by 2021 (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Sep 2018 OP
They are out to destroy small business. redstatebluegirl Sep 2018 #1
You are not going to stop automation Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #6
Precisely Sherman A1 Sep 2018 #13
Another 3,000 places where I won't be shopping! UrbScotty Sep 2018 #2
Amazon has a delivery locker at the DeminPennswoods Sep 2018 #11
Can't wait to send in my 'droid to take the stuff I want. lapfog_1 Sep 2018 #3
Although I use Amazon for the convenience of buying stuff online (dog food, computer accessories, iluvtennis Sep 2018 #4
And when all stores do this, those of us without smartphones are screwed. n/t OnlinePoker Sep 2018 #5
Trust me, people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #25
Won't shop there. Bezos is helping to destroy retailing. democratisphere Sep 2018 #7
The Automat reinvented! DeminPennswoods Sep 2018 #8
But the food wasn't prepared or replaced by a robot. LisaM Sep 2018 #9
I remember the automats, Stonepounder Sep 2018 #14
Yep, put your nickel in a slot next to the door DeminPennswoods Sep 2018 #27
Well, there was no cashier because it was coin-op. Codeine Sep 2018 #15
Sorry, my only experience is from the movies! LisaM Sep 2018 #20
No cashier to ring them up. left-of-center2012 Sep 2018 #16
But apparently they did have some cashiers, according to this interesting article. LisaM Sep 2018 #21
Not really "cashiers" left-of-center2012 Sep 2018 #23
Well, they made change... LisaM Sep 2018 #30
THIS BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #18
I saw them in Manhattan in the early 1970s left-of-center2012 Sep 2018 #19
The one downtown was still open at the time BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #31
Thanks for your link left-of-center2012 Sep 2018 #22
when you have trillion dollar monopolies like amazon and apple elmac Sep 2018 #10
Jonathan Pie: Amazon, Corporations and Politics appalachiablue Sep 2018 #12
Benefits of automation Kilgore Sep 2018 #17
My high school, which opened in 1965, Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #24
ive seen those on movies..id like to have had that experience! samnsara Sep 2018 #29
Who the hell is going to be left to buy their stuff? redixdoragon Sep 2018 #26
We'll have to start taxing capital. LAGC Sep 2018 #32
i still havent been to the one in Seattle..... samnsara Sep 2018 #28

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
13. Precisely
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 05:06 PM
Sep 2018

I worked in the Retail Grocery Sector for over 4 decades and saw automation of one sort or another chip away at the workforce. Bar codes replaced marking each item, spray misters in Produce replaced icing and watering the green rack, ordering machines that could be carried in one's hand replaced paper and pencil order books, pre-made pallet size displays replaced building the same displays out of product in cases, computers and downloaded invoices replaced paper ones and numerous back office accounting jobs. U-Scan checkouts replaced numerous individual check stands each with an operator and bagger.

Self driving trucks will soon bring deliveries to the stores, those deliveries will likely be modular displays which will be moved into place on the sales floor and when empty returned to the distribution center for refilling.

Technology and automation are good, but often job killers and there is no stopping this.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
3. Can't wait to send in my 'droid to take the stuff I want.
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:21 PM
Sep 2018

and use a fake phone / amazon account for the billing.

iluvtennis

(19,863 posts)
4. Although I use Amazon for the convenience of buying stuff online (dog food, computer accessories,
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:22 PM
Sep 2018

etc), I don't want their pre-fab sandwiches or salads. I'll continue to get my lunch at Panera, Subway, local delis, etc.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
25. Trust me, people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 07:23 PM
Sep 2018

were and are doing their best to create a world where you can't wipe your ass without buying their product.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
8. The Automat reinvented!
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:46 PM
Sep 2018

For those old enough to remember the Horn and Hardart Automats. There were tables, a wall of glass and brass boxes where you browsed the selections, put the required amount of money in a slot, opened the door and got your food.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
9. But the food wasn't prepared or replaced by a robot.
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:53 PM
Sep 2018

There were actual people in the back, doing the work. And a cashier to ring them up.

Just like everything else, this is going to limit choice. I don't WANT to buy from a cashierless location. I want to see my sandwich being made. I want to talk to people.

And another thing - yes, there are lines at lunch. So fricking what? Does everything have to be instant gratification? So you go out at noon, it's busy, you wait a little longer. If that's a problem, go a little earlier or later.

This drive to eliminate all human interaction is awful. People wonder why we live in silos, the fact that people act as if waiting in a line at lunch and (gasp!) having contact with a human cashier is something to be avoided is not really going to drive us to be a more unified country.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
14. I remember the automats,
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 05:07 PM
Sep 2018

but my memory is that you put your money in a slot to open the door. Of course I was just a kid and that was probably 60 years ago, so my memory might be incorrect.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
27. Yep, put your nickel in a slot next to the door
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 07:33 PM
Sep 2018

and then you opened the door and got your food. My experience is a bit more recent than yours, probably 50 years ago or so when I was kid visiting NYC with my parents. We rode the passenger train up - another oldie but goodie experience.

Anyway, I thought the Automat was the coolest thing ever and still do.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
20. Sorry, my only experience is from the movies!
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 06:39 PM
Sep 2018

I know that people made the food in the back, though!!

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
21. But apparently they did have some cashiers, according to this interesting article.
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 06:45 PM
Sep 2018
https://www.6sqft.com/horn-and-hardart-automats-redefining-lunchtime-dining-on-a-dime/

Another memorable aspect of the Automats: The surroundings resembled a Parisian bistro more than a fast food joint. Marble countertops and floors were accented by stained glass and chrome; coffee poured from silver dolphin spouts sourced in Italy. The famous Automat cashiers were real pros, their lightning-fast change dispensing technique learned from so many hours on the job.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
23. Not really "cashiers"
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 06:55 PM
Sep 2018

They didn't ring up your purchase.

You needed nickels for the machines;
they cashed your bigger coins or dollars for the nickels.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
30. Well, they made change...
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 07:48 PM
Sep 2018

Point is, they had people working there, and the Amazon stores won't. It sounds so dystopian.

BumRushDaShow

(129,117 posts)
18. THIS
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 06:27 PM
Sep 2018

There were a couple downtown here in Philly -



I used to go to middle & junior high downtown and would walk by one to get to a Septa bus stop from the train station. By then they were pretty much beginning to go extinct though (early '70s).

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
19. I saw them in Manhattan in the early 1970s
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 06:35 PM
Sep 2018

I lived in Hartford, CT and took the train to NYC for long weekends.

Had a book "NYC On $45 A Day".
Stayed at the Abbey Victoria for $17 a night.

BumRushDaShow

(129,117 posts)
31. The one downtown was still open at the time
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 07:54 PM
Sep 2018

but the whole concept was starting to go the way of the drive-ups like the Hot Shoppes -



There used to be one just outside of Philly that I remember as a kid and that eventually closed... Although before Micky D's really made any inroads here, we were at Ginos!





(Gino's Giant! We used to have our kiddy birthday parties there)
 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
10. when you have trillion dollar monopolies like amazon and apple
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:55 PM
Sep 2018

they can steamroll the competition. They are in manufacturing, wholesale and retail side of business and should be broken up.

Kilgore

(1,733 posts)
17. Benefits of automation
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 06:17 PM
Sep 2018

In the manufacturing setting I work in, automation has eliminated most tasks that result in repetitive motion injuries like loading product in shipping boxes stacking boxes on pallets.

Yes, those jobs were eliminated, but we have an entirely new department whose job it is to do maintenance and programming of the robots.

On the Amazon store. I have used it when in Seattle. There are plenty of people employed prepping food and stocking shelves. What you dont have is the cashier and checkout line.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
24. My high school, which opened in 1965,
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 07:20 PM
Sep 2018

had a cafeteria that was modeled after the Automat. Although the food was prepared by live humans behind the wall, it was purchased from coin-op machines. Also some prepared items like candy bars, soft drinks, etc.


I have no idea if it was cheaper to operate a cafeteria that way, but it was not very convenient for the kids. I involved standing in multiple lines to purchase several items. And everything was wrapped in saran wrap and kept heated and was usually very messy to unwrap and eat. I brought my own food to school and avoided it as much as possible.

redixdoragon

(156 posts)
26. Who the hell is going to be left to buy their stuff?
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 07:24 PM
Sep 2018

Replace job with slaves
Replace job with machines
Replace job with automated machiens

The ever growing effort to replace labor because of labor's costs, not for the benefits of mankind. The hungry wont long stand for this.

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
32. We'll have to start taxing capital.
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 08:18 PM
Sep 2018

Universal Basic Income for everyone.

There's no reason to deny progress, we'll just have to adapt to find new ways of providing for the people.

More automation means less work for the rest of us to have to do. That will leave us more time for leisure.

A win-win for everyone.

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