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Judi Lynn

(160,644 posts)
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:32 PM Sep 2018

Native American teens stopped on college tour urge changes

Source: Associated Press


Mary Hudetz, Associated Press
Updated 8:49 pm CDT, Thursday, September 20, 2018



Photo: Mary Hudetz, AP

In this Friday, May 11, 2018 file photo, Thomas Gray, left, and Lloyd Gray stand together with the Sangre de Cristo Mountains in the background outside Santa Fe, N.M. An attorney for two Native American brothers pulled from a Colorado State University tour has told the school that campus officers violated the teens' constitutional rights when they questioned and patted them down without any suspicion of a crime. A letter sent Wednesday, Sept. 19, 2018, from an American Civil Liberties Union attorney calls for the university to revisit its campus police policies and training to avoid a situation similar to the April 30 encounter.


ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — An attorney for two Native American brothers pulled from a Colorado State University tour earlier this year has demanded the school make policy changes, saying Thursday that campus officers violated the teens' constitutional rights by patting them down without any suspicion of a crime.

A letter from American Civil Liberties Union attorney Sarah Hinger calls for the university to revisit its campus police policies and training to avoid another situation like the April 30 encounter, which resulted in the teens being "humiliated, scared, and literally marginalized."

Police video shows two officers stopping Thomas Kanewakeron Gray and Lloyd Skanahwati Gray — who were then 19 and 17, respectively — during a group admissions tour and checking their pockets. The brothers from New Mexico had called the school their top choice.

Police said a mother on the tour had called 911, saying she was worried because the Grays were "real quiet" and wore dark clothing.

Read more: https://www.chron.com/news/education/article/Native-American-teens-pulled-from-college-tour-13244930.php#photo-16200670

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turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
1. And now the powers in charge, are stating that anyone protesting
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:45 PM
Sep 2018

against the oil pipe lines should be treated as terrorists..................I guess those same power in charge don't know anything about the Constitution or the United Nation............................or that we were the first, and we have principles.....................and deserve Respect............


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142161558


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/sep/20/keystone-pipeline-protest-activism-crackdown-standing-rock

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
5. Respect for Native Americans and their land...most deserving....
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 12:37 AM
Sep 2018

"Don't judge a man until you have walked two moons in his moccasins.” This a quote, beneath another photo of a Native American in my collection..not an original, that I purchased at an American Indian Pow Wow..magnificent...it was just south of Tucson...

A demonstration, competition Pow Wow, full native dress - from the very young to the elders...

The protest at Standing Rock must stop this pipeline...

Judi Lynn

(160,644 posts)
6. If you've never seen the very old portraits of Native American people taken by Edward Sheriff Curtis
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 01:37 AM
Sep 2018

this page of google images might arrest your attention and make you want to buy his volumns of portraits commissioned by J P Morgan, and they are amazing. I found out about them in the early 1970's, and had to special order a volumn from the local library, and have always looked for more images from Curtis.

Here is his Wikipedia:

Edward Sheriff Curtis

Here is the URL for the google images:

https://tinyurl.com/y8gksjmq

I was lucky enough to find out about a Pow Wow in the 1980's, and it was a wonderful experience.

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
7. Wado------------Thank you
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 AM
Sep 2018

Been to Pow Wow's on many occasions just to see friends and keep the culture intact....................I am very proud of my heritage, and I always want to know what the mothers have to say, just like my mother, she is the one that told me of my heritage and rites, and our honor...........................and our respect...................


Edward Curtis..........................


http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/edward-curtis-shadow-catcher/568/

Judi Lynn

(160,644 posts)
9. Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful link.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 04:58 PM
Sep 2018

People of the present need to know, as soon as they can, what has happened here, and not live on in total darkness. So much has been done to conceal real history. It's time to bring the truth to the light, and end the great lie at long last.

There was no reason for any of it other than greed. All action should be taken to make the transition to inclusion in this country peaceful without the Europeans opting to steal it all, at the cost of millions of lives. Instead of living with deepest shame and regret concerning the evil acts of their forerunners, the Europeans chose to live on in imperious haughtiness, pretending to be the only ones who mattered in the world, sent by heaven to claim it all for themselves, and kill everyone who didn't get out of sight fast enough.

Am so amazed and delighted in learning Edward Curtis also created cylendars, trying to preserve language, voices, songs, histories of the original people, as well as so much other forms of research.

Am sorry to learn he had a breakdown, and I am certain it was his passion for his subject and his attempt to make up for the evil perpetrated by exposing people to the truth which broke him, as he knew how important it was, and that he and his many workers, educators, volunteers still hadn't come nearly far enough to awaken the country.

You are so kind to take the time to leave these posts. Very best wishes to you.

blue-wave

(4,366 posts)
2. I just don't get it
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:46 PM
Sep 2018

And I'm a middle aged white American male, I don't get it. Some people are so sheltered that they thought these good looking kids were some sort of a dangerous threat? That mother needs help.

Maybe it's just that I have met and get along with many people from other races, ethnic groups etc. It's a about respect. I respect you, you respect me. What's so difficult to grasp? Maybe if she would have reached out to them, she would have made some friends and learned something about the world. I can go on but it'll just drive me mad. I hope these kids get the best education they can find.

Vinca

(50,313 posts)
10. Wow - I thought the story was bizarre before I ever saw a picture of them.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 05:41 PM
Sep 2018

They're nice looking, young men for heaven's sake. Why would anyone think they're threatening unless they went on the tour with AR-15s over their shoulders? This country has gone fucking nuts.

Judi Lynn

(160,644 posts)
12. Absolutely! Can a person possibly believe the difference in the treatment in these cases?
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 10:34 PM
Sep 2018

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo-stick.



Unbelievable. The criminals are in charge, aren't they?

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