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Harry Monroe

(2,935 posts)
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:18 PM Sep 2012

Rep. Pete DeGraaf: Being Impregnated During a Rape Is Just Like Getting a Flat Tire

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Source: www.theroot.com

Kansas Republican Rep. Pete DeGraaf of Kansas stuck the proverbial foot in his mouth last week when debating whether to cover abortions for pregnancies that are the result of rape. Peter Rugg of Pitch.com is reporting Kansas legislators approved a ban on insurance companies that offer abortion coverage as part of their general health plans last week. The one exception: when a woman's life is at risk.

DeGraaf, who is in his first term and is an associate pastor, also called for banning coverage for abortions of rape pregnancies. Women could get around this if they purchased separate, "abortion-only policies."

During the House discussion, there was predictably some disagreement over whether excluding rape pregnancies from coverage was perhaps the sort of callous treatment that a recently violated woman shouldn't have to deal with. Here's DeGraaf's response to Rep. Barbara Bollier's challenge, as reported by the McPherson Sentinel:

Rep. Pete DeGraaf, a Mulvane Republican who supports the bill, told her: "We do need to plan ahead, don't we, in life?"

Bollier asked him, "And so women need to plan ahead for issues that they have no control over with pregnancy?"

DeGraaf drew groans of protest from some House members when he responded, "I have a spare tire on my car."

"I also have life insurance," he added. "I have a lot of things that I plan ahead for."

Read more: http://www.theroot.com/buzz/rep-pete-degraaf-being-impregnated-during-rape-just-getting-flat-tire



Ladies make sure you always carry spares!! If we take this to its logical extreme, women should be prepared for rape just like a flat tire. Make sure you carry around extra condoms in your purse and ask the rapist to please use them so you won't get pregnant during a rape. I'm sure your courtesy will be appreciated by your rapist and he'll gallantly comply like the gentleman he is!! Because we all know how gentlemanly and courteous rapists are!

Just when I thought things couldn't get any stupider.....
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Rep. Pete DeGraaf: Being Impregnated During a Rape Is Just Like Getting a Flat Tire (Original Post) Harry Monroe Sep 2012 OP
Next up it will be like hangnail or stubbing your toe. Liberal Veteran Sep 2012 #1
oh for pete's sake! unblock Sep 2012 #2
Will he send AAA out to perform abortions? tanyev Sep 2012 #3
At first I couldn't understand y these repigs talked about rape 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #4
+1 Scuba Sep 2012 #9
Some own their wives, like they own their dogs, or horses. jtuck004 Sep 2012 #10
I thought this nonsense sounded familiar--this exchange is actually from back in may--apparently niyad Sep 2012 #5
Just another man who doesn't know the first thing about KatyaR Sep 2012 #6
Also, I imagine the "abortion-only policies" come with a large Scarlet 'A' emblem suffragette Sep 2012 #7
Rapists are actually job creators if we take this to another logical extreme Harry Monroe Sep 2012 #8
Good God, man! Don't Berlin Expat Sep 2012 #13
I'm trying to understand their logic, which is why I went there Harry Monroe Sep 2012 #17
You forgot one thing... Frustratedlady Sep 2012 #18
What a fucking asshole gopiscrap Sep 2012 #11
how can you plan for a rape? wordpix Sep 2012 #12
he wants you to purchase "abortion insurance" as a separate package. sigh. n/t progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #15
"abortion insurance???" WTF? We need to get these stupid old men out of office. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #14
Sort of. Except rape is about violence, assault, not sex. So let's say you got a flat jtuck004 Sep 2012 #16
You know, there may be a growing market for "stupid insurance" Harry Monroe Sep 2012 #19
Except for those who can't get coverage because of a preexisting condition. <G> n/t jtuck004 Sep 2012 #34
+1 freshwest Sep 2012 #20
We have vaginas, so we just have to expect this sort of thing sometimes. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #22
I've got a better idea. SheilaT Sep 2012 #21
Shelia, please put a sarcasm tag on that!! Harry Monroe Sep 2012 #30
Yet more proof that these aren't 'gaffes' Lucy Goosey Sep 2012 #23
Exactly aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #24
At some point christx30 Sep 2012 #42
this has to be a coordinated event this many dopes cant all be sayoing the same stupid shit at the leftyohiolib Sep 2012 #25
This has been well rehearsed throughout the Republican asjr Sep 2012 #37
What has become abundantly clear is: AlbertCat Sep 2012 #26
I'm glad to see these backwards ideas from the GOP are finally getting out into the spotlight high density Sep 2012 #27
This happened over a year ago. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #28
More blame on women... B Stieg Sep 2012 #29
Bring along your disposable uterus--you can slip it in the pocket of your rapist as he goes out the MADem Sep 2012 #31
pretty obvious Locrian Sep 2012 #32
I am mentally at a point where I never thought I'd be. reflection Sep 2012 #33
It's more 'blame the victim' ideology bucolic_frolic Sep 2012 #38
Ok enough is enough with these assholes. Iliyah Sep 2012 #35
Just when I thought amuse bouche Sep 2012 #36
K&R nt avebury Sep 2012 #39
Sometimes I wonder if there are skeletons in the closets of Skidmore Sep 2012 #40
!!!!! WinstonSmith4740 Sep 2012 #41
i think he is suggesting that woman who go out in public iemitsu Sep 2012 #43
This is a GREAT report and illustrative of the GOP's longstanding assault against choice. MADem Sep 2012 #44

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
1. Next up it will be like hangnail or stubbing your toe.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:23 PM
Sep 2012

unblock

(52,612 posts)
2. oh for pete's sake!
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:23 PM
Sep 2012

get it? it's funny 'cause his name is pete!

thank you! i'll be here all week!

tanyev

(42,740 posts)
3. Will he send AAA out to perform abortions?
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:23 PM
Sep 2012
 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
4. At first I couldn't understand y these repigs talked about rape
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:25 PM
Sep 2012

as though it was consensual sex. Then it dawned on me; thats how all of their sexual encounters are. They think husbands have a right to force their wives into sex. Who would want to have consensual sex with these pigs? Their entire sex lives amount to molestation, sexual misconduct or rape.

Maybe thats why they just don't get it.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
9. +1
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:47 PM
Sep 2012
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
10. Some own their wives, like they own their dogs, or horses.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:49 PM
Sep 2012

Rape is violence, assault, has nothing to do with sex.

Property has no rights, cannot be assaulted. Can be bred.

niyad

(114,231 posts)
5. I thought this nonsense sounded familiar--this exchange is actually from back in may--apparently
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:30 PM
Sep 2012

he was out front for spewing this kind of woman-hating insanity.

KatyaR

(3,447 posts)
6. Just another man who doesn't know the first thing about
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:31 PM
Sep 2012

women or the female body except that "making babies is good."

This is what we get for no sex education in schools.....

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
7. Also, I imagine the "abortion-only policies" come with a large Scarlet 'A' emblem
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:33 PM
Sep 2012

to attach to your clothing, all the better to stigmatize those who have not "plan(ned) ahead" as DeGraaf and his ilk term it.

Harry Monroe

(2,935 posts)
8. Rapists are actually job creators if we take this to another logical extreme
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:44 PM
Sep 2012

Follow me for a bit:

If you can't get pregnant from a "legitimate" rape, where is he really going? Maybe women should carry hits of X so they can just enjoy the act, then accept the joyous gift from god - and that means they should also prepare for this gift by stocking up on diapers, clothes, etc. thereby consuming more and creating jobs! So a case can be made that rapists are job creators and are stimulating the economy!!

Hey, it's the same logic the Republicans are using!! (I don't need a sarcasm tag here, do I?)

Berlin Expat

(951 posts)
13. Good God, man! Don't
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:57 PM
Sep 2012

give the GOP an idea for their 2016 RNC Platform!!

I'd put a sarcasm tag, but then again, with the Pubbies, you never know........they might think it's a great idea you've got there!

If I were you, I'd be expecting a call from Karl Rove in the near future.

Harry Monroe

(2,935 posts)
17. I'm trying to understand their logic, which is why I went there
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:02 PM
Sep 2012

But now I feel dirty. Need a shower. You're right, what we think is outrageous, they think is normal. A sarcasm tag wouldn't help a Republican reading that. A clue-by-four across the head may not even help them anymore!!

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
18. You forgot one thing...
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:03 PM
Sep 2012

By forcing the raped woman to bear the child, she will be contributing another number to those who will eventually be of age to join the military. Gotta keep the inventory up.

If they are lucky, the woman will bear multiples.

gopiscrap

(23,770 posts)
11. What a fucking asshole
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:50 PM
Sep 2012

we need to make sure this goes viral

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
12. how can you plan for a rape?
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:55 PM
Sep 2012

A man here was just arrested for sexually assaulting several women as they walked in a busy downtown area. They were just walking - and they should be prepared for a rape? And how do you do that, exactly? Carry a gun? Mace?

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
15. he wants you to purchase "abortion insurance" as a separate package. sigh. n/t
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:00 PM
Sep 2012

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
14. "abortion insurance???" WTF? We need to get these stupid old men out of office.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:59 PM
Sep 2012

C'mon Kansas.. banning insurance companies that offer abortion coverage? Fuck you. Abortion is legal!! No women goes around hoping to be in that position, but things happen in life.. and last time I checked women did NOT get pregnant without the help of a man (unless it was a medical procedure, and even then a man had to provide something to make that happen.) But it's almost always the men that are deciding what happens with our bodies.

The flat tire comment is something I'd heard before from that crowd. Not shocking considering who said it. Who thought it was a good idea to elect an extremist pastor to office???

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
16. Sort of. Except rape is about violence, assault, not sex. So let's say you got a flat
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:00 PM
Sep 2012

tire out on a dark highway. You are changing the tire when a complete stranger walks out of the dark and busts you up the side of the head with a hammer. When you try to rise, you are beaten down.

He may or may not have sex with you, he does with you what gives him a feeling of satisfaction. How would you suggest one "plan ahead" for this? He has hurt, thoroughly humiliated and degraded you, taken away a little bit of you, and you will never, ever get this repaired. You could tell others, but most really won't be able to do more than empathize. Some will even treat you harshly, like shaking someone's broken arm, only they are doing it to your spirit, knowingly or unwittingly. It hurts, even if you are strong enough, and not everyone is.

It doesn't matter if you are a woman, or a little boy, or anyone else.

Where do you buy insurance against that?

Harry Monroe

(2,935 posts)
19. You know, there may be a growing market for "stupid insurance"
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:04 PM
Sep 2012

Especially for Republicans. Insure them against their own worst tendencies.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
34. Except for those who can't get coverage because of a preexisting condition. <G> n/t
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:52 PM
Sep 2012

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
20. +1
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:07 PM
Sep 2012
 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
22. We have vaginas, so we just have to expect this sort of thing sometimes.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:10 PM
Sep 2012

Like a flat tire. I mean, it happens to everybody eventually, right? And it's no big deal.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
21. I've got a better idea.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:09 PM
Sep 2012

Let's chemically castrate all males, yes all of them. A man who wants to marry and have children will have to purchase a separate insurance policy, or pay out of his own pocket to reverse the chemical castration.

Harry Monroe

(2,935 posts)
30. Shelia, please put a sarcasm tag on that!!
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:38 PM
Sep 2012

As a penis/testicle wearing member of our species, I guess I'm forced to apologize for stupid idiots like DeGraaf, though I hate him to his very core because he's a bloviating ignoramus and a Republican. We don't all think like this. Castrate those who believe this nonsense.

Lucy Goosey

(2,940 posts)
23. Yet more proof that these aren't 'gaffes'
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:11 PM
Sep 2012

Nothing has bothered me more in the coverage than those lazy journalists who are letting this stuff get written off as 'gaffes' or 'misspeaking'. (Obviously, this does not apply to all journalists, just bad ones.)

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
24. Exactly
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:19 PM
Sep 2012

This is not a foot-in-the-mouth mistake. The mistake is in not realizing that their genuine thoughts will be widely disseminated. Or maybe some of them are proud to air their views and just want to see their names in the paper, like serial killers.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
42. At some point
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 02:03 PM
Sep 2012

All of these 'gaffes' start to look like policy.

Every woman, no matter how old, should stock up on new born diapers. Just in case. Even if you aren't sexually active or have no intention of having kids. It's not really up to you at this point. You have no more control over your body or your life. The rapist will decide when you are ready to have kids. Then the politicians will decide that you are going to keep it. Good luck.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
25. this has to be a coordinated event this many dopes cant all be sayoing the same stupid shit at the
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:25 PM
Sep 2012

same time

asjr

(10,479 posts)
37. This has been well rehearsed throughout the Republican
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:58 PM
Sep 2012

party and if not stopped now and the Republicans win this time we are all doomed! Beyond the Pale! Every newscaster and reporter in Ohio needs to air this several times a day. A single person can't make this happen. But one single person getting by with it should be put in jail.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
26. What has become abundantly clear is:
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:26 PM
Sep 2012

.... Repug men know NOTHING about women or what their "strange (to them, obviously) lives" are like or entail. They have no knowledge or seem capable of any kind of empathy toward what a woman might experience in (I assume) ANY sexual situation. Rape is an inconvenience to women in their minds. They are almost like Victorian men-of-power with autism when it comes to the subject of women.... in general, and women and sex in particular.

These incomplete humans should obviously never make any kind of decisions concerning women's health... and probably ANYBODY'S health.... this much is evident.

high density

(13,397 posts)
27. I'm glad to see these backwards ideas from the GOP are finally getting out into the spotlight
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:29 PM
Sep 2012

Their anti-choice views are rooted in totally nonsensical points of view. Their ideas are simply unexplainable which is why we're seeing them spouting totally crazy things about "legitimate rape" or "planning ahead" for being raped.

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
29. More blame on women...
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:36 PM
Sep 2012

...because it's your fault for dressing sexy, it's your fault if your secret repellent chemicals don't work and it's your fault if you're not expecting to be raped.

Wow. This is a party with real problems with masculinity, particularly with a candidate who's looking to become a god after he dies and who'll spend eternity running celestial harems on various planets.

I guess that's what the magic underwear is for.

I wonder how Ann feels about all this.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Bring along your disposable uterus--you can slip it in the pocket of your rapist as he goes out the
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:40 PM
Sep 2012

door! Then it's HIS problem....!!!!!

The whole argument is beyond stupid!

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
32. pretty obvious
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:43 PM
Sep 2012

Pretty obvious why they think this way isn't it? I mean, it's ALWAYS blame the victim:

* you got raped - your fault you're a slut
* you lost your job - you're stupid, not my fault we outsourced it, etc
* you don't have health care - your fault for not having enough $ (see above)
* you can't (insert xxx here) - not my fault we took all the $$ for tax cuts and war

On and on and ON.

They support a lot of types of rape - not just the type we're talking here.....

reflection

(6,286 posts)
33. I am mentally at a point where I never thought I'd be.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:47 PM
Sep 2012

I think if I had been near this guy when he said that I would have had to restrain myself from belting him square in his teeth. I'm not a violent person. I think I just need to quit reading the news and go stare at a meadow or something. These horrible, benighted fools are starting to take a toll on me. I hear all this crap and all I can think about is the world my daughters will be inheriting.

bucolic_frolic

(43,659 posts)
38. It's more 'blame the victim' ideology
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:58 PM
Sep 2012

You're on your own, you should have planned ahead.

In its most extreme form, this line of thinking would
ban all insurance of all kinds as SOCIALISM!!

And insurance did arise from the idea of helping one's
neighbor as he would help you in times of need.
Mutual insurance companies, get it?

Now it's all about profit, private property.

The Bible Thumpers are becoming cold cruel without
any human empathy in the service of their IDEOLOGY.

AYN RAND IDEOLOGY!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
35. Ok enough is enough with these assholes.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:53 PM
Sep 2012

These fuckers blame anything on women. First off, rape is rape, and the degrees of rape overall is bullshit. Second, these "men" never take into content that the problem relies on the rapist themselves? Rapist from the get go do have emotional criminal tendencies and in many cases have sexual malfunctions, therefore, its not the wo-men who have the magical sperminator device, its the rapist themselves that can not ejaculate properly.

amuse bouche

(3,659 posts)
36. Just when I thought
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:57 PM
Sep 2012

I couldn't detest the party of idiots more

avebury

(10,953 posts)
39. K&R nt
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:59 PM
Sep 2012

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
40. Sometimes I wonder if there are skeletons in the closets of
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 02:00 PM
Sep 2012

some of the men who talk this way. There is something very wrong when someone doesn't see the true nature of an assault but views it as no big deal.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,061 posts)
41. !!!!!
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 02:02 PM
Sep 2012

RW Lunatics - these guys are truly the gift that keeps on giving. I'm beginning to think that sometime in the near future they're all going to show up with a collective case of broken jaws to explain the reason Rove had all their mouths wired shut.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
43. i think he is suggesting that woman who go out in public
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 02:04 PM
Sep 2012

ought to be using birth control. to anticipate avoiding unwanted pregnancies woman need to be prepared this way.
abortion only insurance? this suggestion is ludicrous. why should any legislators create a situation that would cause this to become necessary?
DeGraaf is an ass.
how do people this stupid get elected to public office?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
44. This is a GREAT report and illustrative of the GOP's longstanding assault against choice.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 02:10 PM
Sep 2012

However, it is not LBN--it's over a year old. I would encourage you to repost this in GD and point out the very fact that this "war on women" stuff isn't new--it's been going on for some time now.

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