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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:20 AM Oct 2018

Florida governor: 'You do not have a chance to survive' hurricane's predicted storm surge

Source: Politico




By MATTHEW CHOI 10/10/2018 09:02 AM EDT

Florida Gov. Rick Scott on Wednesday warned those who failed to heed evacuation warnings that Hurricane Michael could create deadly conditions in the state's panhandle and big bend regions, where the storm is expected to make landfall later today.

"Those who have chosen not to evacuate that are on our coasts, it's too late," Scott said Wednesday on "Fox & Friends." "Twelve feet of storm surge, water is going to come up, it's going to cover your roof. You do not have a chance to survive that."

Michael was upgraded to a Category 4 hurricane overnight, just hours before it was scheduled to slam into Florida's coastline. The storm arrives weeks after another major hurricane, Florence, made landfall along the Atlantic coast, battering the Carolinas. President Donald Trump authorized a state of emergency in Florida for Michael, and Scott said he has called up 2,500 members of the National Guard and more than 1,000 rescue works to respond to the storm.

Still, Scott said those who stayed behind despite evacuation orders "are not going to survive it" if they go outside during the storm and that "it's too late to evacuate the coasts."

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/10/florida-governor-hurricane-michael-887618

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Florida governor: 'You do not have a chance to survive' hurricane's predicted storm surge (Original Post) DonViejo Oct 2018 OP
It's still strengthening BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #1
I've been studying Hurricane history since the 70's, had some great software for my Commodore 64 in elmac Oct 2018 #9
Been a hobbyist myself as a kid since 1970 BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #15
In other words, perhaps more wind damage than extensive water damage... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #21
Have been streaming storm chaser Brett Adair BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #22
Looking at radar and google maps.... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #23
The eye itself seemed to have gone directly over Tyndall BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #24
His trusted aid Sammy Sleaze is drawing up the no-bid contracts. We have everything under control. olegramps Oct 2018 #2
Nailed it. Ligyron Oct 2018 #4
Sigh...Rick Scott going to win due to this ain't he Mystery sage Oct 2018 #3
+1000. N/T john657 Oct 2018 #7
who knows qazplm135 Oct 2018 #17
A little melodramatic, no? Oneironaut Oct 2018 #5
He's coming across as kind of irritated he has to deal with it. peekaloo Oct 2018 #8
Rick is thinking this: "The storm could purge a disproportionate percentage of NCjack Oct 2018 #16
Completely Agree RobinA Oct 2018 #19
I saw an interview with some guy in the Big Bend area yesterday peekaloo Oct 2018 #6
"He has pets, too" Coventina Oct 2018 #10
The reporter told him there were pet friendly shelters in the area to no avail. peekaloo Oct 2018 #11
In that case, he is being irresponsible. Coventina Oct 2018 #12
Dogs. peekaloo Oct 2018 #13
Gotcha. He's excusing his toxic masculinity as concern for his dawgs. Coventina Oct 2018 #14
Early impact photos brooklynite Oct 2018 #18
Panama City - Mexico beach getting the bullseye- strongest winds in 30 mile wide eyewall Baclava Oct 2018 #20

BumRushDaShow

(129,061 posts)
1. It's still strengthening
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:33 AM
Oct 2018
Lowest pressure recorded so far is 935mb. Another recon is en route right now.

It's currently sustaining at 145mph with Cat 5 gusts. Someone on my weather forum characterized it as "coming in hot".
 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
9. I've been studying Hurricane history since the 70's, had some great software for my Commodore 64 in
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:14 AM
Oct 2018

80's, compared paths, strengths, conditions at the time. Learned a lot about them, biggest lesson being how unpredictable they are. When they strengthen so close to landfall it is very worrisome, when they do early in the life cycle they tend to poop out before landfall.

BumRushDaShow

(129,061 posts)
15. Been a hobbyist myself as a kid since 1970
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:46 AM
Oct 2018

I remember first hand Hurricane Agnes here in PA and what it did to the Girl Scout camp I used to go to (was at the camp about month after it came through in '72).

But as a note to your comment - in this era of "climate change" sometimes "past performance doesn't guarantee future results". This 'cane is doing all sorts of non-traditional things due to the SSTs in the GOM, which are above normal for this time of year.

We did see Florence drop suddenly before landfall but then Florence would have been a record storm coming in that far north as strong as it was before weakening. But in this case, Michael is in some real bath water with a strong trough to guide him in. Plus another distinguishing factor is that Michael is more compact than Florence, which had a much wider spread-out wind field making her ripe for disruption.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
21. In other words, perhaps more wind damage than extensive water damage...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:18 PM
Oct 2018

as with Florence, although this storm surge will devastate many Gulf beach areas. They're now showing high probability of tropical storm force winds all the way through Georgia and even into SC.

This could lead to very wide-spread power and communications outages and lots of tornados. Very large tornado warning zone showing on radar on the coast.

Radar now showing it less than ~30-mi. off shore and going in just east of Panama City (Tyndall or Mexico Beach? ). Looks highly organized to this amateur.

BumRushDaShow

(129,061 posts)
22. Have been streaming storm chaser Brett Adair
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:06 PM
Oct 2018

He drove down through Mexico Beach to Port St. Joe and is on his way back towards Mexico Beach. Stuff is getting shredded down there. There are comparisons of this to Hurricane Andrew. Pressure has been reported as 919 mb. There are smaller storms rolling around inside the eye. It is starting to make landfall - looks to be just west of Mexico Beach...

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
23. Looking at radar and google maps....
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 02:04 PM
Oct 2018

looks like it took a weird last minute twist to the west and went in over Panama City with a roughly 5-mile dia. eyewall.

Probably ripping hell out of Tendall too, but they're likely better prepared than the general populace. This may be one for our record books when tornados are included. What do you think?

From CNN interview with NWS:

Michael will keep plowing through the Southeast as a hurricane, with winds topping 73 mph as it crosses into Georgia.
"Because of the forward movement -- the decent forward movement it has -- you're going to see a hurricane stay intact through southwest and central Georgia," Long said.

"And then you're going to see rainfall through South and North Carolina, dumping 4 to 6 inches of rain in rivers that are already saturated and haven't really receded much from Florence a few weeks ago."

Years ago, I stayed in a motel in Mexico Beach facing the ocean during a service job in Port St. Joe. It's so small, I fear they're going to have massive damage, along with many other white sand beaches in that area.

BumRushDaShow

(129,061 posts)
24. The eye itself seemed to have gone directly over Tyndall
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 02:24 PM
Oct 2018

Most people broadcasting/streaming were apparently doing so on either side so folks have been trying to find some shots of "blue sky" under the eye.

It already is in the record books now. There were mesovortices rolling around inside the eye that seemed to help feed it. The chaser I was watching had to bail as they got caught in surge trying to go from Port Joe to Mexico Beach and ended up parking the truck against a wall. The feed continued on for some time as the truck started floating and then the feed dropped. I saw someone post on my weather forum that his wife tweeted that he (and the guy with him) is fine.

And yes - as that whole area, which is low lying, is completely strewn with debris - the surge was unreal. There were no barrier islands to protect it (at least in that area between Port St. Joe and Mexico Beach).

EDIT TO ADD pic of eyewall right over Tyndall AFB -



TEXT
Basehunters Chasing @Basehunters

Eyewall of Michael by Tyndall AFB. Full sunshine in eye! Experience of a lifetime. Now pray for the people affected. #flwx
2:20 PM - Oct 10, 2018



olegramps

(8,200 posts)
2. His trusted aid Sammy Sleaze is drawing up the no-bid contracts. We have everything under control.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:34 AM
Oct 2018

He has been assured by Conrad Trump that the necessary funds will be made diverted from the needy children's Democratic ripoff lunch program for his selected contractors reconstruction program.

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
4. Nailed it.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:03 AM
Oct 2018

The fact that this grifting carpetbagger actually got elected, never mind re-elected after what he pulled in Texas just blows my mind every time I see his Batboy face. Hopefully Florida is blue enough now to sideline this guy and Nelson keeps being our Senator. Gilly is going to be a great Gov.

Mystery sage

(576 posts)
3. Sigh...Rick Scott going to win due to this ain't he
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:03 AM
Oct 2018

Still outside of this point everyone in florida this is a mortal level destroyer storm if you have any way to get out use it today otherwise God bless.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
17. who knows
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:43 AM
Oct 2018

it's hitting a big part of his base so that could drive turnout up OR down.

You also have Gillum with a pretty decent lead and one can hope that there aren't a lot of Gillum/Scott voters so the Governors race might have coattails for the Senate race.

Oneironaut

(5,500 posts)
5. A little melodramatic, no?
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:06 AM
Oct 2018

“It’s too late - You’re going to die” is not really helpful. They should probably be seeking shelter on higher ground.

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
8. He's coming across as kind of irritated he has to deal with it.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:11 AM
Oct 2018

A big chunk of his supporters are in these soon to be affected areas.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
16. Rick is thinking this: "The storm could purge a disproportionate percentage of
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:03 AM
Oct 2018

RW dummies from the voter rolls.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
19. Completely Agree
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:00 PM
Oct 2018

No one needs a "leader" saying it's too late for you you're going to die. It's kind of the opposite of what leading is about.

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
6. I saw an interview with some guy in the Big Bend area yesterday
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:07 AM
Oct 2018

who refused to evacuate because "it's only water". He refused to go to a shelter because he'd still have to deal with the damage later on anyway. The reporter tried to appeal to a common sense he apparently did not possess.

He has pets, too.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
10. "He has pets, too"
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:19 AM
Oct 2018

I'd die before I abandoned my pets.

Emergency shelters need to deal with the reality that many people consider them family and will not leave them behind.

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
13. Dogs.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:35 AM
Oct 2018

He came across as somewhat loony. Big Bend area on the coast, think 'Deliverance' . I couldn't fully read his T-shirt but the big writing on it said "WHEN I SNAP' .........I got a whiff of MAGA from my scratch n sniff tee vee.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
14. Gotcha. He's excusing his toxic masculinity as concern for his dawgs.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:39 AM
Oct 2018

Or, that's how it sounds to me from your description.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
20. Panama City - Mexico beach getting the bullseye- strongest winds in 30 mile wide eyewall
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:13 PM
Oct 2018

They had the path right on this one, heading NNE towards Tallahassee

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