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brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:41 AM Oct 2018

Pope compares abortion to hiring a hit man to solve problems

Source: NBC News

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis compared abortion to a mafia-style killing Wednesday, saying it's the equivalent of hiring a hit man to "take out a human life to solve a problem."

Francis made the comments, among his strongest yet against abortion, during his weekly Wednesday audience dedicated to the commandment exhorting the faithful not to kill.

Francis said some people justify abortion as respecting other rights. But, he asked, "How can an act that suppresses innocent and defenseless life as it blossoms be therapeutic, civil or simply human?"

He asked if it was fair "to take out a human life" to solve a problem: "Is it fair to hire a hit man to solve a problem? It is not fair. We cannot take out a human being, even if it is small."

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pope-compares-abortion-hiring-hit-man-solve-problems-n918451?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

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Pope compares abortion to hiring a hit man to solve problems (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2018 OP
That's what Trump always does. greymattermom Oct 2018 #1
Analogous to the birth control; If you don't play the game, you don't get to make the rules. olegramps Oct 2018 #23
Fuck the pope. Maybe he should worry more Luciferous Oct 2018 #2
Exactly Racerdog1 Oct 2018 #9
Neither the pope nor anyone else thinks abusing kids is "ok". whathehell Oct 2018 #32
So promote birth control, teach boys and men not to assault women. SharonAnn Oct 2018 #17
Fart noises Solly Mack Oct 2018 #3
What does he compare his pedophile priests to? Or rapists? procon Oct 2018 #4
Yada yada yada... RoBear Oct 2018 #5
Yet all he offers is thoughts and prayers... Lithos Oct 2018 #6
The leader of one of the most powerful organizations promoting oppression... WeekiWater Oct 2018 #7
Not to mention that the Catholic Church is utterly opposed to birth control. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2018 #8
Right on. olegramps Oct 2018 #25
Some fundie nut said the aborted babies exboyfil Oct 2018 #27
Opposing birth control and sex education makes you the hit man. hunter Oct 2018 #10
Says a guy who has never had to worry about an unwanted pregnancy. Fuck you, Pope. SunSeeker Oct 2018 #11
Maybe the pope guy could hire a "hit man" to bring food, clothing and decent shelter... Tikki Oct 2018 #12
That's strike two... BlueIdaho Oct 2018 #13
Once again a man tries to speak for women... llmart Oct 2018 #14
Bite me, Frankie. Nt MANative Oct 2018 #15
Oh the irony. You, are the hit man. BeckyDem Oct 2018 #16
his own mafia molests actual humans . Guess he is not thinking how lunasun Oct 2018 #18
anyone still have the warm fuzzies about frankie? Javaman Oct 2018 #19
Even though he's better than Benny and JPII nope 47of74 Oct 2018 #21
What, you need more kids for the priests to diddle? MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #20
so the woman-hating head of the woman-hatng rcc is at it again? tell us, frankie, WHEN are niyad Oct 2018 #22
Remember, every sperm is sacred. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2018 #24
Should have looked I just posted the same thing. nycbos Oct 2018 #29
That's rich coming from the church of child molestation SHRED Oct 2018 #26
Guess what? Studies show that priests are no more likely whathehell Oct 2018 #34
Every sperm is sacred every sperm is great... nycbos Oct 2018 #28
And His Point? ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #30
Not the best analogy. malthaussen Oct 2018 #31
Hey pope..............just maybe you should look at the hit men that molested children and young turbinetree Oct 2018 #33
Why should any one listen to the Pope? BluesRunTheGame Oct 2018 #35
Piss off, Popenfuhrer! appal_jack Oct 2018 #36
Well Your Holiness, leaving children in the care of priests angrychair Oct 2018 #37
Six percent of priests whathehell Oct 2018 #39
If the Vatican cared that much, open the coffers NickB79 Oct 2018 #38
They do sponsor agencies that deal with unplanned pregnancies whathehell Oct 2018 #40
They have. Drahthaardogs Oct 2018 #41

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
1. That's what Trump always does.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:42 AM
Oct 2018

Hire a hit man to solve problems. So, Trump should support abortion rights according to the Pope?

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
23. Analogous to the birth control; If you don't play the game, you don't get to make the rules.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:27 PM
Oct 2018

Why the hell should any man be in control of a function that they are unable to experience. When he can have a kid, he can decide for himself. Since that isn't going to happen any time soon, then shut up. As for women, if you are against abortion, then don't have one. Now I might be rightly interested if the government was forcing a women to have an abortion or forcing her to become pregnant against her will.

 

Racerdog1

(808 posts)
9. Exactly
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:01 AM
Oct 2018

It is ok for his priests to abuse kids. But a womans right to choose is sin. Religion nothing but a way to control the weak minded.

procon

(15,805 posts)
4. What does he compare his pedophile priests to? Or rapists?
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:48 AM
Oct 2018

If their victims hired a hitman would the pope approve of their solution?

RoBear

(1,188 posts)
5. Yada yada yada...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:48 AM
Oct 2018
IF MEN GOT PREGNANT, ABORTION WOULD BE A SACRAMENT

(don't know original source for this)

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
6. Yet all he offers is thoughts and prayers...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:51 AM
Oct 2018

Until he steps up with real ideas and solutions, he's part of the problem he claims to be above. The Catholic Church (and others with this controlling methodology) is (are) one of the worst causes of unwanted pregnancies.

L-

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
7. The leader of one of the most powerful organizations promoting oppression...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:53 AM
Oct 2018

and the war against women talking about hit jobs. Cute. Real F'ing cute. Comments like this have an impact and is far reaching.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,858 posts)
8. Not to mention that the Catholic Church is utterly opposed to birth control.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:00 AM
Oct 2018

If, and only if, all methods of birth control including the morning after pill were available to all women, then, and only then might an anti-abortion stance be reasonable.

Something else that all the anti-abortion people don't understand is that some surprisingly large number of conceptions that don't lead to a live birth is possibly as high as 50%.

There is such a fundamental misunderstanding of the entire process out there that it's quite discouraging.

As I like to point out, If you don't believe in abortion then don't have one.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
27. Some fundie nut said the aborted babies
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:34 PM
Oct 2018

are having a party with the Kav confirmation. What about the miscarriages like you said.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
11. Says a guy who has never had to worry about an unwanted pregnancy. Fuck you, Pope.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:09 AM
Oct 2018

Women who have abortions are not criminals. The fetus is part of their body and women have the right to control their own body, NOT YOU.

Women have abortions because it is in the best interest of them and their families. Most women who have abortions already have kids. That is who they are doing it for, to protect those kids' quality of life from being hurt by having another mouth to feed.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
12. Maybe the pope guy could hire a "hit man" to bring food, clothing and decent shelter...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:17 AM
Oct 2018

to parents and children living in poverty.

Teach and make available REALISTIC ways to prevent pregnancy.
Seems like a no-brainer.



Tikki

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
13. That's strike two...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:18 AM
Oct 2018

First the Pope sits on his hands as priests molest kids and now he throws all kinds of guilt and shame at women making a difficult decision. This guy is just as bad as the rest of them.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
14. Once again a man tries to speak for women...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:18 AM
Oct 2018

I think statistics have proven that the vast majority of Catholic women use birth control, so one can only hope that what the pope says re: women's bodies will be ignored just like their birth control edict.

And they wonder why the Catholic church is struggling. Their silly ass rules and the whole pedophile scandal will hopefully take them into the dustbin of history. Eventually they'll probably come up with Vatican III and change the rules when they are desperate. Isn't that what happened in the '70's?

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
16. Oh the irony. You, are the hit man.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:29 AM
Oct 2018

Start giving away free means of birth control, but that's murder too, right?

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
18. his own mafia molests actual humans . Guess he is not thinking how
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:32 AM
Oct 2018

those many acts actually "suppresses innocent and defenseless lives as they blossom, or questions how priest molestation and hiding the crimes from the public ever could be therapeutic, civil or simply human?"

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
21. Even though he's better than Benny and JPII nope
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:11 PM
Oct 2018

Not enough to make me want to go back in any event.

He could make the church drop the opposition to birth control, abortion, and women being ordained tomorrow and I still wouldn't go back.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
20. What, you need more kids for the priests to diddle?
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:08 PM
Oct 2018

How can the head of the largest pedophilia group on the planet even moxie the balls to say something like that?

Fuck that shit.

niyad

(113,315 posts)
22. so the woman-hating head of the woman-hatng rcc is at it again? tell us, frankie, WHEN are
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:11 PM
Oct 2018

you going to apologize for the magdalene laundries. abortion is murder but enslaving pregnant women, and often murdering them or the babies (remember the mass grave that was found??)

sooo. FUCK YOU, frankie.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
34. Guess what? Studies show that priests are no more likely
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 02:14 PM
Oct 2018

to abuse children than the clergy of other religions.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
28. Every sperm is sacred every sperm is great...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:58 PM
Oct 2018

... if a sperm is wasted God get quite irate.


Let the heathen spill theirs on the dusty ground god will make them pay for each sperm that can't be found.

ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
30. And His Point?
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:07 PM
Oct 2018

He could have said "like sending 19 year olds to Iraq to solve the oil supply problem". And he would still be saying that it's a viable solution to a problem that exists.

Compare it to that all you want. Doesn't mean it isn't effective.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
33. Hey pope..............just maybe you should look at the hit men that molested children and young
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 02:08 PM
Oct 2018

adults...............that attacked innocent and defenseless life..............you really are a hypocrite................how much money did your organization lose.................you really don't need a tax break for that matter..................you kinda talk out of both sides of your mouth.....................

BluesRunTheGame

(1,615 posts)
35. Why should any one listen to the Pope?
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 02:15 PM
Oct 2018

Q: How did the church come to believe that "life begins at conception"?
A: They made it up.

Q: How did the Pope get to be a moral authority?
A: Remember that commercial where the guy says "I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV"? That's the Pope, pretty much.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
36. Piss off, Popenfuhrer!
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 02:50 PM
Oct 2018

As long as Catholocism embraces the concept of "Just War," I don't want to hear aabout "innocent and defenseless life."

And after that? It's still a matter for a woman and her doctor up through a certain (much debated) stage of pregnancy. Roe' precepts of no state interference within the first trimester, limited state interference within the second trimester, and more of a role for the state by the third trimester is pretty reasonable...

-app

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
39. Six percent of priests
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 07:00 PM
Oct 2018

-- a figure remarkably similar to clerics of other religions and to men in other professions, generally.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
38. If the Vatican cared that much, open the coffers
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 04:56 PM
Oct 2018

Offer every pregnant woman who needs it money to cover prenatal and delivery costs, as well as connecting them with adoption agencies or families.

Give more concrete solutions to unplanned pregnancies than just "don't spend your legs" or "pray", or STFU.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
41. They have.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 07:15 PM
Oct 2018

The Catholic Church feeds, clothes, and medicates more people worldwide than any other organization. In America 17 to 34 % of social services are provided by the Church. Lots to criticize Rome over, but charitable work is not one of them.

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