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trailmonkee

(2,681 posts)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:27 AM Sep 2012

'Jesus is a monkey' daubed on Jerusalem monastery wall

Source: NBC News


A Trappist monk stands between graffiti reading in Hebrew, "Jesus is a monkey" (L) and "mutual guarantee, Ramat Migron and Maoz Ester" (West Bank settlements) (R), which was sprayed on the wall of the Latrun Monastery between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv on Tuesday after unknown people set the monastery's door ablaze.






By NBC News' Alastair Jamieson and wire reports

Hebrew graffiti, including the phrase "Jesus is a monkey," was daubed on the walls of a monastery near Jerusalem early Tuesday in what police suspect was a so-called 'Price Tag' attack by right-wing, pro-settler extremists, according to reports.

Vandals torched the wooden door of the Latrun Monastery and spray-painted the graffiti on the holy site's stone walls, Israeli police said.

"Police have opened a special investigation into the incident," Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said.

Israeli security officials had expressed concern about possible acts of retribution by a suspected settler vigilante campaign known as 'Price Tag' for Sunday's court-ordered eviction of 50 families from Migron, a settler site near the West Bank city of Ramallah. Police believe the incident was part of the campaign, the Times of Israel and the Jerusalem Post reported.


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'Jesus is a monkey' daubed on Jerusalem monastery wall (Original Post) trailmonkee Sep 2012 OP
Doesn't bother me. nt valerief Sep 2012 #1
Wasn't aimed at you Berlum Sep 2012 #4
Probably. We just don't "get it." n/t Ian David Sep 2012 #10
I'm an Atheist and I'm damn offended by it. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #30
I thought it was just vandalism. nt valerief Sep 2012 #34
Oh, brother leftynyc Sep 2012 #36
It's part of a many decades long campaign of intimidation and brutality against the Palestinians cpwm17 Sep 2012 #41
That's a lot of hyperbole leftynyc Sep 2012 #47
I didn't say this particular incident was appoved by the Israeli Government directly cpwm17 Sep 2012 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author sakabatou Sep 2012 #42
In many ways it is the worst kind harun Sep 2012 #52
Hate crime = terrorism. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #53
It can be sakabatou Sep 2012 #55
That's telling. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #35
Vandalism is everywhere. Religions hate other religions. valerief Sep 2012 #43
Atheism doesn't free you from caring about people different from yourself cpwm17 Sep 2012 #44
I don't care about vandalism. nt valerief Sep 2012 #45
Translation: "This wasn't done to me, so it doesn't matter." (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #48
Spin it however you like. I don't care. nt valerief Sep 2012 #54
Memo to radical settlers: no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #2
Also ...... he was an insurrectionist against Rome. meti57b Sep 2012 #15
So then, "a cheeky little monkey" is more to the point. Kurovski Sep 2012 #18
I thought jesus was a carpenter snooper2 Sep 2012 #31
Rabbi means teacher, not religious leader. no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #46
Not a very nice thing to do. dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #3
We're all monkeys, dumb ass. bemildred Sep 2012 #5
Great apes. AtheistCrusader Sep 2012 #21
If I can think of people as apes, I can think of apes as monkeys. bemildred Sep 2012 #27
I can't stop the religious gang wars. Iggo Sep 2012 #6
And people say he monkeys around. Frank Cannon Sep 2012 #7
Thanks. AtheistCrusader Sep 2012 #22
Sounds like something the teenagers in my neighborhood would do. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #8
Is THAT how you conjugate the verb? No, now do it correctly, 500 times. n/t Ian David Sep 2012 #9
They should just declare it a "miracle" and make people pay to be healed by it. Ian David Sep 2012 #11
What a stupid bigoted post Kingofalldems Sep 2012 #16
As a Christian, it immediatly made me think of the Lourdes industry. Kurovski Sep 2012 #20
Bigoted to point out all the charlatans involved in Big Religion? Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #25
Who is "they"? The monks of the Latrun Monastery? harmonicon Sep 2012 #32
Evolutionists with spray paint WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #12
+1 alfredo Sep 2012 #13
That's just wrong. dmallind Sep 2012 #14
Comedy killer! Kurovski Sep 2012 #19
I hate the way people mix up monkeys and apes! Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #23
I thought he was a sorcerer? Tom Ripley Sep 2012 #17
And a zombie who shall come back to life aaaaaany day now. Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #24
The term they like is Warlock. (nt) harmonicon Sep 2012 #33
Jewish settlers slur Christians...how much play will this get in the right wing press? yurbud Sep 2012 #26
This is just as wrong as a mosque or synagogue being desecrated. cabot Sep 2012 #28
These fucking settler terrorists are why there will never be peace there. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #29
It is not even scientifically accurate. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #37
Stupid taggers! cabot Sep 2012 #38
Man, That Bill Nye Yavin4 Sep 2012 #39
So? Jeremiah was a bullfrog 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #40
I never understood a single word he said, but I helped him drink his wine. mikeytherat Sep 2012 #50
If only we had some joy for the world Kurovski Sep 2012 #51
Daubed? Who says "daubed?" 6000eliot Sep 2012 #56
You have a good question. Prometheus Bound Sep 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author 6000eliot Sep 2012 #56

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
30. I'm an Atheist and I'm damn offended by it.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:52 PM
Sep 2012

It's an act of terrorism against Palestinian Christians by Israelis.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
36. Oh, brother
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:26 PM
Sep 2012

terrorism? You seriously want to degrade the word to the extent you want to use it for vandalism? And where is the proof it came from Israeli's - Jewish or otherwise?

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
41. It's part of a many decades long campaign of intimidation and brutality against the Palestinians
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:11 PM
Sep 2012

Many acts far worse than this go on all of the time, committed by or with the tacit approval of the Israeli Government.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
47. That's a lot of hyperbole
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:48 PM
Sep 2012

Any proof this was done at the behest of or with the approval of the Israeli government? And really, vandalism as terrorism is a fucking joke.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
49. I didn't say this particular incident was appoved by the Israeli Government directly
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:21 PM
Sep 2012

It is the Israeli Government that allows these hyper-racist "settlers" to move into Palestinian territory. It is the Israeli Government that hands out very light or no punishment at all for the "settlers" brutality against the Palestinians. It is the Israeli Government that has been ethnically cleansing the Palestinians for many decades and has set up an Apartheid Government.

The only reparations the Palestinians have received for this many decades of maltreatment are more bulldozers, bombs, bullets and blame.

Response to Odin2005 (Reply #30)

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
44. Atheism doesn't free you from caring about people different from yourself
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:04 PM
Sep 2012

- including non-atheists. The rest of us can judge you accordingly.

meti57b

(3,584 posts)
15. Also ...... he was an insurrectionist against Rome.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:33 AM
Sep 2012

Insurrection was the big thing that really pissed off the Romans to the extent that they would torture you to death for it by crucifixion.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
27. If I can think of people as apes, I can think of apes as monkeys.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:36 PM
Sep 2012

(Primates, really, some common monkey-ape-human ancestor is back there somewhere, but we are being sloppy anyway. We all come from the same biological source, a long, long time ago, and primates are our close cousins in the same way that dogs are cousins to jackals, foxes, and wolves, that's the point.)

To be clear, you are correct.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
8. Sounds like something the teenagers in my neighborhood would do.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:04 AM
Sep 2012

You just paint over it and hope they will grow up. It is a juvenile's idea of how to incite violence. That's why people need to be grown-up about it, paint over it and hold dialogue with all potentially concerned.

Also, provide police surveillance at the monastery door if wished by the monastery.

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
11. They should just declare it a "miracle" and make people pay to be healed by it.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:19 AM
Sep 2012

That's what they do with everything else.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
20. As a Christian, it immediatly made me think of the Lourdes industry.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:01 PM
Sep 2012

really, it was not stupid. and not particularly bigoted. But then we all have our personal ideas on the sacred and profane.

Gods bless america.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
32. Who is "they"? The monks of the Latrun Monastery?
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:12 PM
Sep 2012

You can relate instances where they have declared things miracles and made people pay to be healed by them? Fascinating. I'd love to know more, especially as they do it with "everything else." Dropped your toast on the floor? MIRACLE!!! Took a crap? MIRACLE!!

Hmm.... or maybe you're just a bigot. I eagerly await the results of this study!!

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
14. That's just wrong.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:17 AM
Sep 2012

Monkeys have different skeletal structures, especially in the shoulders, and almost always have tails.

Jesus, if he existed at all, was a primate obviously. If you accept the rather banal and rationalized distinction between apes and hominids as that of mostly bipedal locomotion, then he wasn't even an ape, just an anthropoid.

Apes and monkeys though should never be conflated.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
19. Comedy killer!
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 11:56 AM
Sep 2012

You are are of course correct. It will still most likely be forever remembered as the "Scopes Monkey Trial".

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
23. I hate the way people mix up monkeys and apes!
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:18 PM
Sep 2012

Just a pet peeve of mine.

That being said, everyone knows Mohammed was a lemur and Buddha was a bonobo.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
26. Jewish settlers slur Christians...how much play will this get in the right wing press?
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:31 PM
Sep 2012

the crickets are already warming up.

If it doesn't fit the script, it does not exist.

cabot

(724 posts)
28. This is just as wrong as a mosque or synagogue being desecrated.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:36 PM
Sep 2012

If someone spray-painted "Mohammed is a monkey" most of you would be condemning it - and rightfully so. This is just as wrong.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
29. These fucking settler terrorists are why there will never be peace there.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:50 PM
Sep 2012

The Israeli government cannot stop them without causing a civil war. The nuts have had their own government by the balls since the assassination of Rabin.

cabot

(724 posts)
38. Stupid taggers!
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:41 PM
Sep 2012

Not knowing the difference between apes and monkeys! Honestly, I'm glad you pointed that out - it annoyed me too.

mikeytherat

(6,829 posts)
50. I never understood a single word he said, but I helped him drink his wine.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:23 PM
Sep 2012

And he always had some mighty fine wine.

mikey_the_rat

Prometheus Bound

(3,489 posts)
58. You have a good question.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 07:02 AM
Sep 2012

Reuters uses 'daubed'.

NBC (OP) refers to 'wire reports' and they credit Reuters at the bottom.

Chicago Tribune, Huffington Post, and National Post (Canada), using Reuters, use 'daubed'.

CNN uses the verb 'daub' -- Vandals daub anti-Christian graffiti on monastery in Israel

IBT Times UK uses 'daubed' and 'scrawled': 'Jesus is a Monkey' Scrawled by Pro-Settler Extremists on Christian Monastery near Jerusalem

Sky News UK uses 'spray painting'

YNET Isael uses 'spray painted'.

AFP in their own article uses 'scrawled' and 'sprayed'.

The Australian, The National (Aus) and Lebanon News (all using AFP) use 'scrawled'.

I conclude that since 'daub' is less serious than 'spray paint' or 'scrawled', Reuters used it to downplay the seriousness of the crime.

AFP reported it normally.

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