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leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 10:10 AM Oct 2018

Arpaio Sues NYT For Libel Over Column Calling Him 'Truly Sadistic Man'

Source: Talking Points Memo

Former Arizona sheriff and failed Senate candidate Joe Arpaio has filed a lawsuit against The New York Times and one of its opinion writers over a piece published in August that mocked Arpaio’s political and criminal record and called him a “truly sadistic man.”


In the complaint, flagged by Politico, Arpaio acknowledges the article is an “opinion piece,” but said it contains “several false, defamatory factual assertions” about Arpaio’s storied career discriminating against Latino citizens in Maricopa County, Arizona when he was sheriff. Arpaio is seeking $147.5 million in damages and has requested a jury trial.

Read more: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/arpaio-sues-nyt-libel



Doesn't this moron realize that the discovery process is going to bury him?
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Arpaio Sues NYT For Libel Over Column Calling Him 'Truly Sadistic Man' (Original Post) leftynyc Oct 2018 OP
Your question was my first thought, too (n/t) PJMcK Oct 2018 #1
"Arpaio is seeking $147.5 million in damages...." mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2018 #2
This is a really dumb lawsuit Gothmog Oct 2018 #3
Well, he actually did commit a real crime, and was convicted for it. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2018 #11
I Agree-Its Political Opinion of Public Figure Protected by 1st Amendment Stallion Oct 2018 #15
"Truly sadistic" is not accurate - should say "truly sadistic and demented." lagomorph777 Oct 2018 #32
Sue? Sure. Just as soon as he gets back from brothel owner Dennis Hof's funeral... Grins Oct 2018 #4
Sheriff Joe got his marching orders from GWC58 Oct 2018 #5
The Times' lawyers leftynyc Oct 2018 #6
awww .. butt hurt is he? Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #7
He has no hope in hell at winning so I wonder if this for publicity with the goal being to cstanleytech Oct 2018 #8
He's probably broke and wants to use the suit to raise money for his AJT Oct 2018 #27
That is certainly possible and there are unfortunately plenty of gullible fools cstanleytech Oct 2018 #28
Uh, Joe . . . rsdsharp Oct 2018 #9
I wonder They_Live Oct 2018 #10
He is going to end up paying NYT's Legal Bill. KWR65 Oct 2018 #12
If he's stupid enough leftynyc Oct 2018 #13
His lawyer is Larry Klayman, right-winger and perpetually unsuccessful The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #29
"Arpaio Sues NYT for Telling the Truth" Tobin S. Oct 2018 #14
$147m in Damages? JohnnyRingo Oct 2018 #16
His lawyer is none other than Larry Klayman. Archae Oct 2018 #17
He should be sanctioned for filing a frivolous lawsuit. SunSeeker Oct 2018 #18
Larry Klayman, his attorney, has often been sanctioned for frivolous lawsuits. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #30
Can a lawyer mercuryblues Oct 2018 #19
I'm not a lawyer . ... reACTIONary Oct 2018 #23
From the link mercuryblues Oct 2018 #24
And your ARE!! a ''Truly Sadistic Man'!! riversedge Oct 2018 #20
I thought conservatives always rail against "frivolous lawsuits" NYC Liberal Oct 2018 #21
LOL, I thought he was proud about being a sadistic man. Why happened? Nitram Oct 2018 #22
love to be on that jury....paid entertainment with meals included dembotoz Oct 2018 #25
It won't get that far. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #26
He is a self promoting celeb convict, this is going nowhere. Thomas Hurt Oct 2018 #31
I would assume... jmowreader Oct 2018 #33
Probably Should Have Sued ACLU Too Stallion Oct 2018 #34

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,600 posts)
2. "Arpaio is seeking $147.5 million in damages...."
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 10:18 AM
Oct 2018

That number seems oddly specific. How did he arrive at that?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,198 posts)
11. Well, he actually did commit a real crime, and was convicted for it.
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 10:41 AM
Oct 2018

Luckily, his fellow sadist Donald came in and got him off the hook.

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
15. I Agree-Its Political Opinion of Public Figure Protected by 1st Amendment
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 10:57 AM
Oct 2018

literally thousands of more defamatory comments on the web every day

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
32. "Truly sadistic" is not accurate - should say "truly sadistic and demented."
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 02:21 PM
Oct 2018

No wonder Arpaio is pissed off.

Grins

(7,228 posts)
4. Sue? Sure. Just as soon as he gets back from brothel owner Dennis Hof's funeral...
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 10:20 AM
Oct 2018
The Nevada Independent yesterday:

Nevada brothel owner and Assembly candidate Dennis Hof, ....who proclaimed himself the “Trump of Pahrump” died just two days after his 72nd birthday.

Just hours earlier, Hof celebrated his birthday along with longtime friend and pornographic actor Ron Jeremy, former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, and anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist.

Poor Dennis. To be named in the same company as Arpaio and Norquist....

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
8. He has no hope in hell at winning so I wonder if this for publicity with the goal being to
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 10:33 AM
Oct 2018

keep his name floating among like minded bigoted voters as he is thinking of running for another political office?

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
28. That is certainly possible and there are unfortunately plenty of gullible fools
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 12:59 PM
Oct 2018

in this country that would do it.

rsdsharp

(9,197 posts)
9. Uh, Joe . . .
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 10:34 AM
Oct 2018

Never mind the holding of Sullivan v. New York Times regarding the high standard of proof for defamation of public figures. Truth is an absolute defense. You ARE truly sadistic. We can quibble about whether you're a man or just a prick.

KWR65

(1,098 posts)
12. He is going to end up paying NYT's Legal Bill.
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 10:44 AM
Oct 2018

He is a public person that was convicted of a crime running for a political office. Is he filing pro se?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
13. If he's stupid enough
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 10:52 AM
Oct 2018

to be his own lawyer, he deserves what's about to happen to him even more.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,835 posts)
29. His lawyer is Larry Klayman, right-winger and perpetually unsuccessful
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 01:13 PM
Oct 2018

bringer of frivolous defamation cases. He'd probably be better off pro se than with Larry Klayman.

JohnnyRingo

(18,641 posts)
16. $147m in Damages?
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 11:14 AM
Oct 2018

Regardless the merits of his case, I'm not sure how he was damaged. His career was already effectively over with no future prospects. He's lucky he's not behind bars.

It seems he'll have to prove his life was about to soar before this op-ed was published and now he's stagnated. How can calling such a man sadistic possibly cause him damages beyond what he brought on himself.

Archae

(46,345 posts)
17. His lawyer is none other than Larry Klayman.
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 12:00 PM
Oct 2018

The incompetent and terminally stupid Clinton-obsessed activist.

‘Sheriff Joe’ and Larry Klayman Sue The New York Times for $147.5 Million

Larry Klayman, a right-wing activist and attorney, and “Sheriff Joe” Arpaio, a failed Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in Arizona, have filed a legal complaint against The New York Times alleging that the paper defamed Arpaio by publishing a column about his loss in which writer Michelle Cottle, a member of the Times’ editorial board, called Arpaio a “sadistic man.” The lawsuit seeks $147.5 million in damages.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/sheriff-joe-and-larry-klayman-sue-the-new-york-times-for-147-5-million/

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,835 posts)
30. Larry Klayman, his attorney, has often been sanctioned for frivolous lawsuits.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 01:16 PM
Oct 2018

A couple of federal judges have actually barred him from appearing in their courtrooms, and he's been suspended in D.C. Unfortunately he seems undeterred.

reACTIONary

(5,771 posts)
23. I'm not a lawyer . ...
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 09:13 PM
Oct 2018

.... but that's an interesting phrase so i searched for an explination. This was helpful:

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/what-defamatory-statement

From this I gather that "factual assertions" means that what was said was stated as if it were a fact, as opposef to, say, a thought or an opinion or a guess.

"From what I've heard, you might think he's a sadist" would not be a factual assertion, while "He is a sadist" would be.

Defamitory means it's a serriously bad acusation , not just a typical sort of insult. Saying he's a bad dude wouldn't be defametory; saying he's a child molester would be if it wasn't true.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
24. From the link
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 09:09 AM
Oct 2018
In rare cases, a plaintiff can be “libel-proof”, meaning he or she has a reputation so tarnished that it couldn’t be brought any lower, even by the publication of false statements of fact.


According to Arpaio, he can not investigate children being raped, raid minority homes, let people die in his prisons, deny medical care to prisoners, house them in tents in AZ with no A/C, and feed them rotten food. But you can't call him a sadist for doing so.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
33. I would assume...
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:48 PM
Oct 2018

...the NYT’s lawyers can demand Arpaio be evaluated by competent mental health professionals to determine if the plaintiff is indeed a sadist.

Arpaio’s biggest problem is he’s suing a newspaper that frequently reported on Arpaio’s atrocities.

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
34. Probably Should Have Sued ACLU Too
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 06:20 PM
Oct 2018

Long before the Trump administration erected a tent city detention camp for migrant children in Texas, Arpaio had his own “Tent City,” a brutal, outdoor holding pen that he once proudly referred to as a “concentration camp.” People who encountered Arpaio’s detention system faced gruesome conditions and humiliating practices, and they were denied basic necessities and health care. For instance, female inmates reported that officers made them sleep in their own menstrual blood and assaulted pregnant women.

For years, the ACLU fought Arpaio’s discriminatory conduct, including his office’s cruel and inhumane treatment of detainees and its practice of illegally detaining people based on their perceived immigration status and discriminating against Latinos in traffic stops. The ACLU won a preliminary injunction and then a trial ruling in its class-action lawsuit to stop Arpaio’s illegal traffic stop policies. A federal judge issued a civil contempt order against Arpaio in 2016 due to his repeated flouting of court orders in the ACLU case. And in a separate criminal proceeding before a different federal judge, Arpaio was convicted in 2017 of criminal contempt as well because his contempt of court was willful and deliberate.


https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/arizona-voters-deserve-know-joe-arpaios-true-record-brutality-and-abuse

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