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struggle4progress

(118,319 posts)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:45 PM Sep 2012

Make Assange leave embassy, court tells his bail backers

Source: London Evening Standard

Paul Cheston
04 September 2012

Supporters of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange who put up £140,000 bail for him should persuade him to give himself up to face extradition, the Chief Magistrate said today.

Nine backers who promised sureties when Assange was granted bail are fighting to save their money.

Celebrities such as Jemima Khan and Ken Loach, who paid into court more than £200,000 in bail securities after Assange’s arrest in 2010, have already lost their money ...

The hearing was adjourned until October 3.


Read more: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/make-assange-leave-embassy-court-tells-his-bail-backers-8104324.html

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Make Assange leave embassy, court tells his bail backers (Original Post) struggle4progress Sep 2012 OP
That money is as good as gone sharp_stick Sep 2012 #1
Maybe they don't care about the money. bahrbearian Sep 2012 #2
If that was the case sharp_stick Sep 2012 #3
Why not give it a try, what do you have to lose? bahrbearian Sep 2012 #4
Attorneys fees and court costs. n/t pnwmom Sep 2012 #19
Right. defacto7 Sep 2012 #8
Is there any sign of overwhelming public support for Assange in Britain? nt hack89 Sep 2012 #10
Jemima Khan is Princess Di's cousin Generic Other Sep 2012 #12
Not like many of them are Lenomsky Sep 2012 #5
They bet their money on Assange's word... Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #6
Survival is a basic human right is it not? If U.S. gets a hold of him he is dead. harun Sep 2012 #15
That is a conspiracy theory. The fact is that Assange is a lying sack of .. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #20
Oh yeah navarth Sep 2012 #21
When you run out of arguments, throw out the "conspiracy" canard. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #23
When you have no argument you throw out a unsupported statement. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #28
You actually think defacto7 Sep 2012 #27
If they knew he would flee, why are they trying to get their money back from the courts? Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #29
publicity! It's the only real currency in their situation. defacto7 Sep 2012 #31
It will get interesting if any of the backers go along with this. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #7
... The nine backers who were today fighting to save their money are struggle4progress Sep 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Sep 2012 #16
Joseph P Farrell isn't the Wikileaks assistant struggle4progress Sep 2012 #17
Aw, shoot! More fun that way. I'll delete. Glad to see there's so much money lying around. freshwest Sep 2012 #18
The only thing that will persuade Assange to fight the false charges in Sweden... Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #11
Obama should do so AFTER the election. nt hack89 Sep 2012 #14
Yeah because fighting false charges is too hard, otherwise! randome Sep 2012 #22
... At Tuesday's proceedings, a court clerk told reporters that a £200,000 security pot struggle4progress Sep 2012 #13
I am confused. When bail is set, the amout dosen't change without a court order, does it? 1monster Sep 2012 #24
I think the bail release required both cash deposits and sureties, though the amounts struggle4progress Sep 2012 #25
It was a combination of cash plus sureties tammywammy Sep 2012 #26
Some reports seem to be confusing dollars with pounds: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #30

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
1. That money is as good as gone
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:51 PM
Sep 2012

if you're going to front a bunch of cash for someones bail and that someone bolts the money is gone.

Maybe these idiots will remember that next time.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
8. Right.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:16 PM
Sep 2012

It's great publicity. It just makes GB look more like thugs.

Sure they loose the money, but the judge just placed himself into the hands of public opinion.

It was a plan, no doubt, and it probably worked. They got their moneys worth.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
10. Is there any sign of overwhelming public support for Assange in Britain? nt
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:26 PM
Sep 2012

Last edited Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
12. Jemima Khan is Princess Di's cousin
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:36 PM
Sep 2012

She is a descendant and heir to the Marquess of Londonderry's fortune. I don't think she's hurting for cash.

Lenomsky

(340 posts)
5. Not like many of them are
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:58 PM
Sep 2012

short of cash! Doesn't make it right though!

The more uproar this creates the better and I mean the Assange plight not lost securities.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
20. That is a conspiracy theory. The fact is that Assange is a lying sack of ..
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 05:49 PM
Sep 2012

whose word is worthless. That he would allow people who believed in him to lose the cash they defended him with shows just how low a person he is.

If he had one iota of self respect he would cease peddling conspiracy theories and face up to the charges.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
21. Oh yeah
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 06:40 PM
Sep 2012

If Julian had an iota of self-respect he'd allow himself to be blackbagged and enjoy the cell next to Bradley Manning. Listen to 'agnostic sherbet', Julian!

Trollery at it's lowest.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
23. When you run out of arguments, throw out the "conspiracy" canard.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:54 PM
Sep 2012

And I'd suppose you're also loudly demanding that the members of Pussy Riot that fled from Russia face up to their charges. Why, of course they'd get a fair trial and not get railroaded into prison!

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
28. When you have no argument you throw out a unsupported statement.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 01:01 AM
Sep 2012

(1) Pussy Riot is not evading criminal arrest by Swedish police for a sex crime, they are wanted for a political prosecution in Russia.
(2) Assange has not been accused of a political crime in Russia, the U.S., or anywhere else, he is being accused of a sex crime in Sweden.

So there is no relationship between the two cases.

(3) I oppose his extradition to the U.S., but since the U.S. has never sought to extradite him, something they could have done while he was going through the court system in England if there were charges, which there are not, the whole notion that he is going to be extradited is a conspiracy theory, and one that Assange is pushes for his own benefit.

That is the difference.

He is just another libertarian who thinks he is above the law and will manipulate people who think he is some kind of saint.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
27. You actually think
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 11:35 PM
Sep 2012

the people who put up that money didn't know he planned to flee? One of the biggest donors put him up in his house which was on record with the courts as his place of residence while on bail. Assange could not leave that residence except for weekly court appearances. He wasn't living there alone.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
29. If they knew he would flee, why are they trying to get their money back from the courts?
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 01:03 AM
Sep 2012

Your theory doesn't hold water.

struggle4progress

(118,319 posts)
9. ... The nine backers who were today fighting to save their money are
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:17 PM
Sep 2012

retired Professor Tricia David, Nobel prize-winning biologist Sir John Sulston, who helped unravel the human genome, former Sunday Times journalist Philip Knightley, Lady Caroline Evans, wife of former Labour minister Lord Evans, his personal friend Sarah Saunders, a catering manager, Frontline Club founder Captain Vaughan Smith, who provided his Norfolk country mansion as a bail address. They all offered £20,000 sureties.

Marchioness Tracy Worcester, 53, the model and actress turned environmental campaigner, offered £10,000 while his Wikileaks assistants Joseph Farrell and Sarah Harrison, both stumped up £5,000 in return for his freedom ...

At the beginning of the hearing, Judge Riddle said it found it 'absolutely striking' that none of the nine had attended court in person ...


Julian Assange's celebrity backers set to lose $540,000 bail money as he remains holed up in Ecuador Embassy
By Emily Allen
PUBLISHED: 07:12 EST, 4 September 2012 | UPDATED: 09:05 EST, 4 September 2012
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198072/Julian-Assanges-high-profile-backers-set-lose-340-000-bail-money-remains-holed-Ecuador-Embassy.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Response to struggle4progress (Reply #9)

struggle4progress

(118,319 posts)
17. Joseph P Farrell isn't the Wikileaks assistant
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:21 PM
Sep 2012

Here's Wikileaks' Joseph Farrell, right front center in glasses and coat

h

Here's Joseph P Farrell of Giza Death Star

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
11. The only thing that will persuade Assange to fight the false charges in Sweden...
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:33 PM
Sep 2012

Is the US to explicitly state they will not pursue charges against him.

Our government is responsible for all of this.

struggle4progress

(118,319 posts)
13. ... At Tuesday's proceedings, a court clerk told reporters that a £200,000 security pot
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:04 PM
Sep 2012

given to the court before Assange was bailed – and believed to have been paid into by high-profile backers, including Jemima Khan, film directors Ken Loach and Michael Moore, and millionaire publisher Felix Dennis – had been forfeited at an earlier hearing in July ...

Adjourning the hearing until 3 October, Riddle said those guaranteeing bail had a month to persuade Assange to surrender to police if they wanted their money back ...

Julian Assange backers could lose £340,000 in bail money
WikiLeaks founder's supporters have already forfeited £200,000 and risk £140,000 more if Assange refuses to surrender to police

Shiv Malik and agencies
Tuesday 4 September 2012 13.24 EDT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/04/julian-assange-backers-lose-bail?newsfeed=true

1monster

(11,012 posts)
24. I am confused. When bail is set, the amout dosen't change without a court order, does it?
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:23 PM
Sep 2012

And even if the bail is changed, the people who put up the original bail cannot be forced to pay more than they willingly put up, can they?

If so, how? And if so, what's to stop the justice systems from taking advantage of such a policy?

And how much was the freaking bail, anyway? One post above refers to 540,000 pounds which is something like $1,250,000. That ridiculous.

struggle4progress

(118,319 posts)
25. I think the bail release required both cash deposits and sureties, though the amounts
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:37 PM
Sep 2012

have not always been reported consistently

The total seems to be something in the range of 250000 pounds, and recent stories suggest the deposits have been forfeited already

So the current court activity seems to be the beginning of the process for collecting the sureties

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
26. It was a combination of cash plus sureties
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:46 PM
Sep 2012
Mr Justice Ouseley ordered Mr Assange be released on payment of £240,000 in cash and sureties and on condition he resides at an address in East Anglia.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12005930

struggle4progress

(118,319 posts)
30. Some reports seem to be confusing dollars with pounds:
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 03:03 AM
Sep 2012

Julian Assange backers could lose £340,000 in bail money
... Assange's backers could lose £340,000 ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/04/julian-assange-backers-lose-bail?newsfeed=true

Supporters of WikiLeaks' Assange lose $320K in bail money
... Total, the backers stand to lose $539,444 ...
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/05/13668940-supporters-of-wikileaks-assange-lose-320k-in-bail-money?lite

I'd guessing the $539K figure comes from converting £320K to $, then treating the result as £ and converting it to $ again

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