Republicans Scoff At White House Theory That Obama Victory Will Break GOP ‘Fever’
Source: TalkingPointsMemo.com
If Barack Obama wins re-election, Republicans will accept the fruitlessness of strategic obstruction. Unencumbered by the imperative to defeat Obama, who will be a lame duck president anyhow, they will begin to work with him on matters of urgent importance to the country.
Thats the White Houses operating theory, anyhow. In their words, the GOPs fever will break. Or, as Obama himself recently put it, the blister will pop, and a new birth of good will will ooze forth into our politics.
Theres just one problem with the theory. Republicans and conservative thought leaders both openly say Democrats are kidding themselves. Even if Obama wins, the GOP is prepared to stymie him all over again unless he more or less adopts a Republican governing agenda. Some have even used the promise of ongoing obstruction as an argument for a Romney president: Better to let us run the whole show than to keep government divided, because we wont work with Obama if that happens.
Its a brazen admission, and one the White House doesnt really have an answer for. "If Obama wins re-election, the Republican Party will react by moving right, not left," observes Ramesh Ponnuru, a well-connected conservative writer, in a Bloomberg op-ed Monday. "It will become less likely to compromise with Obama, not more."
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Gee ... What. A. Surprise.
Siwsan
(26,281 posts)More so if the GOP loses house seats and fails to gain in the senate. I believe that would send some scampering more towards the center, and see the need to work for the country instead of against the POTUS. The rest will go even wing-nuttier.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)the next time they need to do better than a moderate member of a cult from MA. You have to remember that they're not rational like we are.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,026 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)But isn't that what Democrats do?
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Has always hinged on them winning Missouri, Massachusetts, North Dakota. They may not get any because, like 2010, Republicans failed to nominate their strongest candidate for November, bringing races into play that they should have won. Not only that, but Indiana is now in play.
Close races seem to all tilt in the same direction. That said, we could see anywhere from 51 Republican seats to 54 Democratic seats.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)DearAbby
(12,461 posts)they are telling us, they will deny the will of the people. It's their way or the highway, elections be damned.
donqpublic
(155 posts)firing squad or hanging. I am okay with either.
liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)BridgeTheGap
(3,615 posts)DIGITAL VOTING MACHINE MANIPULATION. If the g.o.p. pull this one it, rest assured, it won't be for legit reasons, i.e. actually getting the votes needed to win. And mainstream media will treat it the same way they have since 2000...ignoring the obvious.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)By large margin. We should do what we can to support local candidates.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)He needs to use his position to have more direct appeal to the people on important bills like the jobs bill, more news conferences -- all urging voters to write to their congressman.
Reagan used this very effectively and it made him more and more popular regardless of his other nasty stuff.
Obama is charismatic, inspiring, intelligent and has command of the facts -- if demented Reagan could do it, so can he.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)adopt a Republican governing agenda. Unfortunately he has already indicated his willingness to do just that.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)There will be no primary of Obama.
Time to move forward.
Oh, and you could start a new group on DU ... Progressive Prez 2016. And then use that to do something positive.
Well?
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)No.
But for the next couple months, complaining about Obama will be like howling at the moon ... well ... unless you are a Republican, in which it will be one's only recourse.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)Whatever Reagan said, a chorus of Tee Vee pundits would echo in perfect harmony.
Obama does not get to do that, because the media only does that for Republicans.
MSM coverage of Obama and most Democrats:
MSM coverage of Reagan, Bush, and other Republicans:
Kingofalldems
(38,466 posts)Extremely dangerous for America.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)I do think some will continue being jerks, but if republicans lose seats in the house, especially those seats that were held by teabaggers, I think there will be some republicans that will think twice about going against the "country" in order to make president Obama look bad. They might start thinking that being complete obstructionists isn't going to work and it might cost them their job come the midterms.
I really think that there are republicans in congress who are tired of the BS from the teabaggers, and who knows they may actually decide the country comes first. Then again I could be wrong, however when they lose the WH I see the party becoming even more divided no matter what they do about working with president Obama!
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)Seems to be attributing reason,logic and just plain common sense to goopers.....That is not a realistic expectation....
kimbutgar
(21,172 posts)Fox, Rush, Beck etc will double down and go even more insane. They are the masters of today's republican party. And they're not going to be happy unless they win. The egos are too big to admit defeat. They have to be slammed so hard and lose control in both houses and state houses that they become demoralized. But I don't see that happening because their brain washing techniques has been so effective in getting goober to vote republican while they take away his medicare and social security and raise taxes on them while cheering for tax cuts for the rich. Even people who had good paying union jobs and they were outsourced to China, Mexico, India are bashing unions. That is pure insanity! The microphones of republican propaganda have done a good job of earning their millions. Wisconsin is a good example of that. Union workers actually voted to not recall Walker while he is trying to destroy unions and make it a right to work state. We live in scary times and I hope people wake up before the election. Because republicans don't care about the working class and the poor.
*Edited for this line. There are two types of republicans millionaires and suckers.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)calimary
(81,383 posts)And intelligence, eloquence, logic, and education - are things to be sneered at. DISGRACEFUL! I don't get it. I just don't get it. Why these people willfully remain stupid and asleep. The Rude Pundit spelled it out in a recent column - comparing it to people who believe that if you just feed a poodle money, that poodle will shit gold. And they keep coming up with common household-variety dog shit every time, but they still keep shoveling their money into that poodle's mouth, and then looking in - um - BACK (the bad guys' favorite word these days)!
Joe Bacon
(5,165 posts)Make no mistake about it. If the nuts hold on to the House, they will move impeachment charges against Obama the same way they did against Clinton.
Republicans have gone fucking insane.
highplainsdem
(49,015 posts)global1
(25,261 posts)In fact we need the 60 votes in the Senate to eliminate the threat of the filibuster. The Dems need to go into the next Congress and Harry Reid needs to eliminate the filibuster rule. We must not let the Repugs hold this country hostage any longer.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)That Brooklyn Bridge hasn't been sold yet.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I think they'll double down on the obstructionism and hate speech. They know that long-term demographics don't favor them, so they'll ramp up voter-suppression efforts. They'll claim their loss was because they weren't conservative enough, so they'll become even more extreme. In short, in it's death-throes, the GOP will try to take the country down with them.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Any of you who think an(other) win for the president will somehow break these psychotics is dreaming. When the president is re-elected, the Repukes will lurch farther to the right. And this time the president had better hit back instead of bargaining with them, or it's his party that will take a hit, not theirs. His appeasement in 2009-2010 cost us dearly, and I hope he learned his lesson.
bucolic_frolic
(43,240 posts)his centrist policies and overtures to compromise have placed him in an
unassailable position in the minds of the public at this election time.
The GOP is breathing fire, but it's imaginary Ryanesque fire that any
politically aware person would recognize as bunk.
Not to say Thumpers won't believe it and vote in droves ....
There's still the outside chance Obama pulls off this election big time.
He's given rMoney no room to move, no room to define Obama, no room
to be Presidential. rMoney is lacking a bit in political legitimacy.
Obama being the greatest campaigner in many a century, he can turn on the jets
when needed.
My biggest worries are GOP money and Citizens United money.
But time is on Obama's side, not on rMoney's. rMoney will lie, stick close to
Obama on issues, and hope for Thumper votes. I see no game changers in
rMoney's bag of tricks.
Evasporque
(2,133 posts)DannoMan
(1 post)Don't tell me no one has yet seen the obvious silver lining to this dark Republican cloud. If the Repugs make this highly public in an attempt to gain support prior to the election, will it not instead drive voters away from Republican obstructionists in Congress? Maybe not the dyed-in-the-wool Party-blinded, but the Independents who matter in this election will surely see the futility of re-electing an obstructionist Congress, won't they?
Or am I missing something obvious here?
Yes, I know that there is an alternative approach involving the election of Romney and sweeping out what would then be the Democratic resistance. But the way it stands so far, is that Obama is favored to win re-election, so "sweeping out the Dems" would be a silver-platter served request for more obstruction and even less getting accomplished.
mazzarro
(3,450 posts)They need to stop fantasizing about rePIGs becoming more accommodating after the elections and instead hammer then for any sign of obstruction until the end of Obama's second term - period. So long as they have the tea-baggers in their midst, rePIGlicans are not likely to show any flexibility at all.
gaspee
(3,231 posts)that is all.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)I can't afford four more years of obstruction in Congress and the intentional holding back of money from private hands. I need to get back to work ASAP and there are millions of others like me.
But this is the point of all they have done over the past three and a half years, hurt us so bad that we'll vote for them to make it stop. Now, as much as I am against letting the terrorists win so to speak, I might consider going along with it if the Republicans weren't so fucking crazy.
Oh yeah, everyone has a price and I am not above selling out. Principles are great when you can afford them but when you need to eat, all that goes out the window. But these are not normal circumstances and that party is not a normal party. The probable short term gain still isn't worth the guaranteed long term destruction they will wreak.
In other words, I would rather go into abject poverty than to vote for this insane, idiotic American Taliban party. And that's saying a lot from a guy that up until recently has never had to deal with any kind of hardship and hates it profoundly.
EC
(12,287 posts)than principles. Education, pollution (I like breathing), health care , ssi, medicare and on and on.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)If they weren't so irrational I might consider their blackmail.
EC
(12,287 posts)I guess we have to make sure he gets a super, super majority. Wish us luck.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)keep getting elected. Don't people see all the evil that they've wrought by them blocking the jobs bill and the middle class tax cuts?
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)....because I may sound like I am disagreeing here.
Assuming an Obama victory, the Republicans will HAVE to come up with a way to appeal and prove to the American people that they are capable of accomplishing something - anything - other that obstructionism if they want any chance in 2016. This means doing something that actually appears productive.
Now, I don't have a clue what that might be and I suspect whatever they come up with will be...uhm...bizarre and probably self-defeating to say the least.
Now, back to your regularly schedule programming.