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BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:20 AM Oct 2018

UPDATE: Explosive Devices Found in Mail Sent to Hillary Clinton and Obama

Source: New York Times

Two explosive devices were found in mail sent to the offices of former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, a law enforcement official said Wednesday.

The devices were similar to one found on Monday at the home of the billionaire philanthropist George Soros, the official said. One device was found on Wednesday morning by a technician who screens mail for the office of Hillary Clinton, a law enforcement official said.

A second similar device was sent to the office of former President Barack Obama.

It was not immediately clear where the devices sent to the Clinton and Obama offices were found.



Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html



Sigh. The crazies are out and it's a full moon.

Story has been updated above - original story and headline -

Explosive Device Found in Mail Sent to the Clintons

An explosive device was found on Wednesday morning by a technician who screens mail for Bill and Hillary Clinton, who live in a suburb of New York City, a law enforcement official said.

The official said the device was similar to one found at the home of billionaire philanthropist George Soros on Monday. It was not immediately clear where the device was found.

Mr. Soros's home is also in a suburb north of New York City. That device was constructed from a length of pipe about six inches long filled with explosive powder, and it was "proactively detonated" by bomb squad technicians, according to one of the officials, all of whom were briefed on the investigation.

The motive of the would-be Soros bomber or bombers remained unclear, one of the officials said, adding that there had not yet been any claim of responsibility.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/explosive-device-clintons-mail.html
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UPDATE: Explosive Devices Found in Mail Sent to Hillary Clinton and Obama (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 OP
This is so dangerous and sick. so dangerous. Stay safe everyone. riversedge Oct 2018 #1
Now the CNN Building in NYC is being evacuated.... Pachamama Oct 2018 #26
- Bigredhunk Oct 2018 #2
Also need to go to the source PatSeg Oct 2018 #5
He riles up his radical followers, Scarsdale Oct 2018 #24
It must give him a sense of power PatSeg Oct 2018 #37
Not only that, but I cannot help but suspect that calimary Oct 2018 #42
At least Trumpanzies aren't a mob...eh?!?!? Bengus81 Oct 2018 #3
But, the media tells us that both sides are equally violent NewJeffCT Oct 2018 #4
Correct. They will claim the mentally disturbed person who yelled at Turtle in a restaurant BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #6
You hit it right on the nail ZeroSomeBrains Oct 2018 #23
And Mitch O'Connell Duppers Oct 2018 #48
Two bombs in two days targeting prominent Democrats. This is terrorism,** and I hope the FBI, ATF riversedge Oct 2018 #7
You notice this stuff starting happening right after the Ghoul suddenly reappeared BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #8
But let's all focus on the violent angry leftist mobs. Right. Initech Oct 2018 #9
Rightwing terrorists to our supposed Angry mobs Liberalhammer Oct 2018 #10
They need to lock up malaise Oct 2018 #11
Wait BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #13
A rare happening malaise Oct 2018 #15
THIS! Zoonart Oct 2018 #14
Post 9-11 bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #12
Only in the larger distribution post offices BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #17
Yes, all the other devices were intercepted off-site DeminPennswoods Oct 2018 #32
The thing with Soros though BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #43
I'm sure Soros' property has security cameras DeminPennswoods Oct 2018 #64
Of course. But I feel bad for the guy BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #65
it depends how it is sent BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #35
Oh no... If they suspect stuff during screening, they can inspect BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #45
The mob doing mob things. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #16
Yes, since we have Scarsdale Oct 2018 #25
WE don't know the individual or organization responsible, but we know who provided the spark. lark Oct 2018 #18
Nationalist Shitler cocked the gun, Trump cult terrorists are determined to kill democrats now workinclasszero Oct 2018 #19
It isn't terrorism because MontanaMama Oct 2018 #20
re-edit BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #40
Remember! It's only terrorism when a Muslim does it! ck4829 Oct 2018 #51
Of course! MontanaMama Oct 2018 #57
Serious moment though, I think we are here because we've politicized "terrorism" so much ck4829 Oct 2018 #58
Oh yes. MontanaMama Oct 2018 #60
If you get fed hate and lies 24/7 and you have a weak mind to start w/sending bombs to .... Botany Oct 2018 #21
Cabal operatives are showing their hand bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #22
Claims that it was a "false flag" mindfulNJ Oct 2018 #27
Oh, they've been at that from the start. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #38
Yeah well... Jedi Guy Oct 2018 #41
The winner is...James Woods: NYC Liberal Oct 2018 #68
"The angry, violent left!" KPN Oct 2018 #28
I hope the sender gets a bomb shoved up their ass. liberalnarb Oct 2018 #29
Violent left my 62 yr old keister!!! benld74 Oct 2018 #30
The state AGs, city DAs should make clear DeminPennswoods Oct 2018 #31
Putin is laughing his ass off, watching dumbass tRumpsters doing his evil deeds. nt elmac Oct 2018 #33
Suspicious package delivered to CNN building........ Bengus81 Oct 2018 #34
Fox Entertainment brainwashing. Plain and simple. It's a cancer. ffr Oct 2018 #36
Strange? Nothing sent to Fox News or the White House? pwb Oct 2018 #39
is that the start of violent fascism? AlexSFCA Oct 2018 #44
We should assume trump backers are attacking us... beachbum bob Oct 2018 #46
It has begun... Dutchman99 Oct 2018 #47
This is very frightening! hostalover Oct 2018 #49
It's more a post-9/11 redux. BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #50
on Twitter: another package sent to San Diego Tribune mainer Oct 2018 #52
The Magabomber krispos42 Oct 2018 #53
DUzy! BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #56
Gin up the crazies and this is what you get. Vinca Oct 2018 #54
Does trump have an alibi yet? duforsure Oct 2018 #55
It's Unclear To Me RobinA Oct 2018 #59
They still have to investigate BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #61
They were "devices" frazzled Oct 2018 #62
OK, So More Than RobinA Oct 2018 #67
K&R Scurrilous Oct 2018 #63
"Motive remains unclear...." Sure. sinkingfeeling Oct 2018 #66

PatSeg

(47,500 posts)
5. Also need to go to the source
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:29 AM
Oct 2018

of this madness and shut him up. Trump is the primary cause of the hate and insanity. He won't take responsibility of course, but I wonder if privately he is thrilled whenever things like this happen.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
24. He riles up his radical followers,
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 10:18 AM
Oct 2018

and WE foot the bill for all his travels!! How aggravating is THAT? He loves all the attention, thinks he is a "star" Time to call a spade a spade, and lay the blame for the violence at his tiny little feet. Someone throws McConnell's doggie bag into the street, and everyone is upset. Send explosive devices to democratic members, and nothing is said. Must be the "angry mobs" from the (D) party. I LOATHE tRump and everyone connected to his orange arse. Most worthless human being to EVER inhabit the WH.

PatSeg

(47,500 posts)
37. It must give him a sense of power
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:21 AM
Oct 2018

to see his words materialize as real life violence. He strikes me as that kind of person.

calimary

(81,310 posts)
42. Not only that, but I cannot help but suspect that
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:34 AM
Oct 2018

somebody in the White House (Bill Shine? Stephen Miller?) or even trump himself engineered this TO DISTRACT. While trump is up to something they don’t want anybody to notice.

Malcolm Nance says it’s an intimidation campaign. “To intimidate THIS audience.” Which could well mean the folks on the inside (the hated Democratic nemeses and the trump-labeled “enemy of the people” ie: the press. Reporters. Journalists. Like Jamal Khashoggi).

I think either - or both - are true.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
4. But, the media tells us that both sides are equally violent
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:28 AM
Oct 2018

you know, asking somebody to politely leave a restaurant is just as bad as bombing George Soros or the Clintons.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
6. Correct. They will claim the mentally disturbed person who yelled at Turtle in a restaurant
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:30 AM
Oct 2018

is the "same as" someone who leaves an explosive device at the residence of a former President of the United States.

ZeroSomeBrains

(638 posts)
23. You hit it right on the nail
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 10:18 AM
Oct 2018

The media always pretend like "both sides" are creating violence because of someone shouting at ted cruz in a restaurant but when president obama and president clinton and hillary and george soros get bombs sent to them then they shrug it off as though it's equally abhorrent. Sending bombs to someone is not the same thing as making someone feel uncomfortable at a restaurant.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
48. And Mitch O'Connell
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 12:04 PM
Oct 2018

In a restaurant.

But Dems do not commit attempted murder; we do not put bombs, real or fake, in mailboxes.

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
7. Two bombs in two days targeting prominent Democrats. This is terrorism,** and I hope the FBI, ATF
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:30 AM
Oct 2018

I hold Trump and his constant Lock her up rally crowds responsible for this--along with RW hate media.



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Two bombs in two days targeting prominent Democrats. This is terrorism, and I hope the FBI, ATF and the rest of law enforcement can catch the bomber quickly, because someone is going to be seriously injured or killed if not.







BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
8. You notice this stuff starting happening right after the Ghoul suddenly reappeared
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:33 AM
Oct 2018


(I wouldn't put it past him since NY is his stomping grounds)
 

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)
10. Rightwing terrorists to our supposed Angry mobs
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:40 AM
Oct 2018

Id imagine most Republicans support this, as long as they are the terrorists.

bucolic_frolic

(43,177 posts)
12. Post 9-11
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:49 AM
Oct 2018

I thought the USPS spent lots of money on mail screening technology, like x-rays or something like that.

This is terrorism, and an indication that someone wants or intends to take the country by fear and force.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
17. Only in the larger distribution post offices
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:55 AM
Oct 2018

notably in D.C. & NYC and also in most if not all government facilities.

Apparently the Soros one was "hand delivered" and it was mentioned that the Obama one was intercepted in D.C. I expect the Clinton ones are handled at either a private facility or at a special postal facility with a special precautions setup, where it was noted a "tech" discovered it.

Because of the continual "powder" mailings happening since 2001, certain folks never get "direct" mail unless some unauthorized individual sticks it in their mailbox.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
32. Yes, all the other devices were intercepted off-site
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 10:59 AM
Oct 2018

There are so many security cameras around that whoever placed the package in Soros' mailbox will be ID'd.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
43. The thing with Soros though
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:34 AM
Oct 2018

apparently one of his workers found it and then moved it to some woods and called authorities. I suppose Soros will need to implement some better protocols for his employees, although I expect he is probably exasperated at the ridiculousness of being a perpetual "boogie man" to the RW nuts.

Meanwhile no one hears of similar stuff mailed to the Kochs.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
64. I'm sure Soros' property has security cameras
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:51 PM
Oct 2018

And there will also be cameras along the road or at other residences nearby. The time period will be fairly easy to estimate as well so investigators won't to look through days and days of camera footage.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
65. Of course. But I feel bad for the guy
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:55 PM
Oct 2018

as he found himself in a dangerous situation.

When I was hunting around, I saw links for private mail/package screening services and I expect he will need to just do that for everything and have someone pick up mail and packages and ditch any "external" mailbox (if that is actually where it was found).

 

BigGermanGuy

(131 posts)
35. it depends how it is sent
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:04 AM
Oct 2018

first class mail, which could be large envelopes, is guarded against inspection. i.e. the post office doesn't have the legal right to inspect.

they can inspect packages, but not if they were shipped as first class, only priority/next day.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
45. Oh no... If they suspect stuff during screening, they can inspect
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:49 AM
Oct 2018

notably if it is addressed to VIPs like former first families, etc. They do these offsite at special facilities that have xray machines and possibly other scanning devices. This is how whatever was mailed to Obama was intercepted.

The fact that in 2001 anthrax-laden envelopes exploded in sorting machines in postal handling facilities in NJ spreading it all over the facility, was why changes were made, including screening for biohazards (anthrax and ricin for example).

lark

(23,105 posts)
18. WE don't know the individual or organization responsible, but we know who provided the spark.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 10:05 AM
Oct 2018

Ultimately,, this is drumpf's fault. All that talk of lock her up, he's from Kenya, he's funding the caravan has incited his most base followers to action to destroy "their enemies". drumpf does this on purpose, he wants them to be hurt, and I bet he clapped his tiny little orange hands and his big fat orange belly jiggled from him jumping up and down with glee. He's just that sophomoric and murderous and his minions are just as bad.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
19. Nationalist Shitler cocked the gun, Trump cult terrorists are determined to kill democrats now
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 10:09 AM
Oct 2018

WTF is the FBI gonna run down these right wing terrorist bastards!!!???

I'm sure the Trump administration will get right on that!

I think they are waiting for George Soros and the Clintons/Obamas to get blown to bits first!

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
20. It isn't terrorism because
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 10:10 AM
Oct 2018

the RWNJ's did it, right?



*Edited to add that an explosive device was also allegedly sent to the WH so who the hell knows what is happening...

*Edited to coreect note that a suspicious package was sent to the WH. Both sides DO NOT do this.

 

BigGermanGuy

(131 posts)
40. re-edit
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:23 AM
Oct 2018

fbi just said there was no package to WH, only Obama, Clinton, and cnn.

someone planted that narrative to make it look like "both sides"

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
58. Serious moment though, I think we are here because we've politicized "terrorism" so much
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 12:50 PM
Oct 2018

'"Terrorism" is what the other does', a statement all but explicitly drilled into our heads... so this bomber does not see himself as a terrorist at all.

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
60. Oh yes.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:02 PM
Oct 2018

And back to the word "terrorism" which is so often not used when a white American commits it - I am hearing right now (and you probably are too) officials in NYC state that this is, without a doubt, terrorism. I am relieved to hear it especially if this ends up being a Faux watching, tRump loving deplorable with a Facebook, Twitter account trail to prove it. It is on the record now.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
21. If you get fed hate and lies 24/7 and you have a weak mind to start w/sending bombs to ....
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 10:12 AM
Oct 2018

... liberals might seem like a good idea in "fighting for freedom."

bucolic_frolic

(43,177 posts)
22. Cabal operatives are showing their hand
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 10:13 AM
Oct 2018

If we still have LE that is functioning, and I think we do, they will do something about this

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
38. Oh, they've been at that from the start.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:21 AM
Oct 2018

Even the RWNJs up in Canada are already spewing that garbage.

Jedi Guy

(3,193 posts)
41. Yeah well...
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:26 AM
Oct 2018

Every time something happens to a GOP figure, there are plenty of comments right here on DU about false flags. Go back and look at the thread about the guy shouting at the Turtle in that restaurant the other day, and you'll see those comments.

No one wants to accept that there are assholes or violent assholes on their side of the political fence, but that's the truth. The right definitely has a much worse problem with it, though.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
28. "The angry, violent left!"
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 10:41 AM
Oct 2018

This isn't going to end well I'm afraid. Never in my life have I witnessed such irresponsible, dangerous instigation of and complicity in violence by those who hold power in our nation. We need to take these people down.

GOTV or else!

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
31. The state AGs, city DAs should make clear
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 10:56 AM
Oct 2018

that anyone who is determined to have incited this nutjob into sending bombs to Soros/Clintons/Obama/CNN WILL be prosecuted as accessories to attempted murder. Period. That goes for Trump, Hannity, Ingraham, Trump45 PAC, all politicians who have appeared at Trump campaign rallies and any other rw'ers espousing violence.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
36. Fox Entertainment brainwashing. Plain and simple. It's a cancer.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:08 AM
Oct 2018

You watch Fox, this is the kind of sick thoughts you dream up in your brain.

It's a cancer on all of us, until they're forced to take hate speech out of their format.

Dutchman99

(4 posts)
47. It has begun...
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:58 AM
Oct 2018

After two years of hate and invective, the 2nd American Civil War has officially begun. If Trump did not explicitly (and who knows?) order these bomb delvieries, he certainly is implicitly responsible. Be safe and be prepared, the war has just begun.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
52. on Twitter: another package sent to San Diego Tribune
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 12:14 PM
Oct 2018

They've evacuated. However, the building also houses a branch of Kamala Harris's campaign offices.


krispos42

(49,445 posts)
53. The Magabomber
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 12:15 PM
Oct 2018

Credit to Farker "Halfabee64" for the nickname, but I think it fits.

Well, I can't wait for Faux News to explain to me how a) this is Obama's fault, b) it definitely isn't D2S' fault, c) it's a lone wolf and in no way representative of conservatism, and/or d) it's a false-flag operation.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
55. Does trump have an alibi yet?
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 12:19 PM
Oct 2018

He should , and he could be behind anything . He's terrorizing this country and the world. Remember putin did this to higher ups in russia too before he was at the top, and had people bombing apartment building killing people for him to look better with.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
59. It's Unclear To Me
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 12:59 PM
Oct 2018

if these are actual explosive devices, pretend explosive devices, or "suspicious" packages. It brings to mind an incident someone I worked with was involved in where this person made a huge deal out of a suspicious package during a mill strike, complete with evacuations, ATF and the whole nine that turned out to be two six packs in a paper bag mailed between the union lawyer and the management lawyer to settle a bet.

Not saying this is in settlement of a bet, but there's a big difference between a suspicious package(s) and a Ted Kaczynski bomb. Speaking of Ted, what's he been up to lately?

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
61. They still have to investigate
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:03 PM
Oct 2018

I haven't heard any analysis reports on them yet and that may take some time unless they are obvious "duds". They have to do meticulous forensics on this stuff first in any case so that they can gather evidence for federal crime charges.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
62. They were "devices"
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:11 PM
Oct 2018
Explosive devices were sent to former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as to CNN’s offices in New York, sparking an intense investigation on Wednesday into whether a bomber is going after targets that have often been the subject of right-wing ire.

A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor.

...

That device sent to CNN was constructed from a length of pipe a little longer than six inches and wrapped in black tape with what appeared to be epoxy on the ends, according to a person who has seen a photograph of it. What could be a timer was attached to the side of the pipe and wires were visible at both ends. Like the bomb sent to Mr. Soros’s home, the envelope it arrived in was roughly 5-by-8 inches and had a printed white address label and half a dozen first-class postage stamps affixed to the outside.

On Wednesday afternoon, New York City’s police commissioner, James P. O’Neill, said the CNN bomb was “a live explosive device.” He also said there was “a white powder” in the envelope that was being investigated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
67. OK, So More Than
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 02:16 PM
Oct 2018

a "suspicious package" that could have been anything or nothing. That was my basic question.

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