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Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 11:40 AM Oct 2018

Dad defends dressing son as Hitler for Halloween, then apologizes for poor decision

Last edited Sun Oct 28, 2018, 01:20 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: USA Today

OWENSBORO, Ky. - A Kentucky dad found himself in hot water on social media with what most people would seem to agree is a poor choice of Halloween costume.

Bryant Goldbach dressed himself as a Nazi solder and his school-aged son as Adolf Hitler before going to a Trunk-or-Treat event Thursday evening. The news was first reported by WEHT Eyewitness News.

He later posted a photo of himself on Facebook and the backlash was immediate.

(SNIP)

Screenshots of Goldbach's Facebook page prior to his apology show slogans like "White pride doesn't mean hate," "Being liberal means being a hypocrite," and various stances against social justice issues such as the concept of "white privilege."

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/10/28/dad-defends-dressing-son-hitler-halloween-then-apologizes/1798845002/



Herr Goldbach clearly was not simply trying to portray historical figures. He's in full SS regalia, including death's head on his cover. You just don't whip that up for Halloween.

BTW, if you look at his left lapel, there's a cross.



ETA: He lashed out on Facebook to blame the liberals for being intolerant. Frankly, I think being intolerant of morons glorifying Nazi is a good thing.


And these uniforms are not cheap--like $1000.
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Dad defends dressing son as Hitler for Halloween, then apologizes for poor decision (Original Post) Julian Englis Oct 2018 OP
Why is this even news? Loki Liesmith Oct 2018 #1
Are you seriously asking this question? oberliner Oct 2018 #3
This isn't just dumb. This is hate speech. marble falls Oct 2018 #53
And here I thought "Sheik with a Bonesaw" would top the tasteless costumes this year ... knightmaar Oct 2018 #2
" his intention was simply to portray historical figures." orleans Oct 2018 #4
That's what I was thinking. JohnnyRingo Oct 2018 #38
Those poor children. N/T lapucelle Oct 2018 #5
That was my first reaction and I wanted to cry. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #13
Wonder what that ring is on his right hand Docreed2003 Oct 2018 #6
Those who understand how propaganda works on the subconscious The Liberal Lion Oct 2018 #7
Sick fuck is a full blown Nazi. He's not fooling anyone. SunSeeker Oct 2018 #8
Wow I am speechless nycbos Oct 2018 #9
That came immediately to mind. Ligyron Oct 2018 #39
Ahh go Seig Heil yourself! amb123 Oct 2018 #10
Godwin said it best: sandensea Oct 2018 #11
He's a straight-up Nazi. Iggo Oct 2018 #12
I will say this for him, Cold War Spook Oct 2018 #14
It was idiotic enough dressing like that in the first place, but then to whine on social media... vi5 Oct 2018 #15
The party of personal responsibility strikes again. yardwork Oct 2018 #32
Eat shit and die, you creepy SS wannabe. Paladin Oct 2018 #16
That isn't a Halloween costume, that is literally an entire history-accurate SS uniform obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #17
This is what I was here to post blugbox Oct 2018 #69
I'm sure Fox will have him on soon to whine about those mean liberals who were offended kimbutgar Oct 2018 #18
He's lucky no WWII veterans encountered him in that costume. MineralMan Oct 2018 #19
Or my uncle, even though he passed away years ago. Ohio Barbarian Oct 2018 #22
wow- your Uncle was in the first platoon to reach Dachau. Sunlei Oct 2018 #29
You could tell it hurt him to remember it. He was, on the whole, a gentle soul. Ohio Barbarian Oct 2018 #41
Thank you very much for sharing. I wish his stories were in our history books. Sunlei Oct 2018 #44
Wow, how did he describe his impression of being at Dachau? JudyM Oct 2018 #35
He didn't for many years. When he finally did when I was in college and visited him one time, Ohio Barbarian Oct 2018 #40
They were horrific humans. JudyM Oct 2018 #46
Exactly. Your uncle had a unique perspective, but everyone MineralMan Oct 2018 #67
Funny, I was just telling my 8 yr old daughter about her great-grandfather NickB79 Oct 2018 #64
Dear Bryant: jmowreader Oct 2018 #20
Geez, is he Meghyn Kelly's brother? Neither seem to have any sense of morality. nt Fla Dem Oct 2018 #21
A N.J. asshole was visited by child services for naming his kids after Nazi officials. 3Hotdogs Oct 2018 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Oct 2018 #24
It takes all kinds. Marcuse Oct 2018 #25
actually its a German "habitational name" Sunlei Oct 2018 #45
Goldbach? Isn't that a Jewish name? Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #26
The father's costume is more disturbing and more requiring of apology than the kid's, imo. RockRaven Oct 2018 #27
OMG, the Father wore a full nazi uniform to take the little kids trick or treating! Sunlei Oct 2018 #28
I wonder if this traitor has a Confederate Officers uniform... magicarpet Oct 2018 #30
Last year he dressed up as a Conderate.... Julian Englis Oct 2018 #33
Does he have a Satan costume... magicarpet Oct 2018 #37
He went as priest two years ago. Maybe it was a priest in the Church of Satan!!!!1 eom Julian Englis Oct 2018 #42
ok I see another 'white pride man' who always wears costumes of 'the white guys' team Sunlei Oct 2018 #47
You have to wonder what the fuck he was thinking sakabatou Oct 2018 #31
Actually, it seems pretty clear what he was thinking--and it's sickening. eom Julian Englis Oct 2018 #34
I agree with him on one point, and one point only. Jedi Guy Oct 2018 #36
I think they screamed at the giant Daddy in his full nazi uniform Sunlei Oct 2018 #48
If they did indeed threaten and scream at the child, as the asshole asserted... Jedi Guy Oct 2018 #60
Roseanne dressed as Hitler taking burnt Jewishmen cookies out of her oven...NOT FUNNY! BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #43
It isn't funny rpannier Oct 2018 #63
That "costume" looks custom tailored. It fits... 3catwoman3 Oct 2018 #49
The spelling always gives them away agalisgv Oct 2018 #50
Posts white pride doesn't mean hate then dresses like a Nazi and his son like Hitler lunasun Oct 2018 #51
The girls from Prussian Blue might disagree with him rpannier Oct 2018 #62
The photo and the FB post are even worse than the article implies. Thanks for ... marble falls Oct 2018 #52
btw, the wife isn't any better catsudon Oct 2018 #54
I always ask these people, "OK, so if it wasn't 6M, how many? What number is acceptable?" 7962 Oct 2018 #57
If there really was a Holocaust... skypilot Oct 2018 #68
A-hole alt right Nazi who used Halloween to put on the garb he wants to wear everyday. GAH iluvtennis Oct 2018 #55
I wonder if he's had his DNA analyzed TexasBushwhacker Oct 2018 #56
A true believer. Feel sorry for the creep's children. nt Cognitive_Resonance Oct 2018 #58
More than 10 years ago in southern NJ, parents lost custody of their children no_hypocrisy Oct 2018 #59
He bears a bit of a resemblance to Eric Dorf rpannier Oct 2018 #61
The young child hasn't a clue how offensive this is. His father, on the other hand, is a moron. YOHABLO Oct 2018 #65
Please tell me he no longer has a job maxrandb Oct 2018 #66

JohnnyRingo

(18,638 posts)
38. That's what I was thinking.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 04:15 PM
Oct 2018

"Well, I've got all this Nazi stuff in the attic and I'm in a hurry" hahaha

Although if he was trying to be scary, I'd say he nailed it. Neighbors will cross the street before passing his house for some time.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
13. That was my first reaction and I wanted to cry.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 12:42 PM
Oct 2018

What a thing to remember your father by. And, did their mother condone this act?

Someone needs to take that guy out behind the woodshed, then send him back through K12.....

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
7. Those who understand how propaganda works on the subconscious
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 12:08 PM
Oct 2018

understand that words are meaningless, and symbolism has a far more powerful effect. I agree tho, his intention was to portray a historical figure, and that portrayal is one of intimidation.

SunSeeker

(51,646 posts)
8. Sick fuck is a full blown Nazi. He's not fooling anyone.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 12:12 PM
Oct 2018

Nobody keeps a complete, immaculately detailed Nazi uniform like that around just for Halloween.

nycbos

(6,035 posts)
9. Wow I am speechless
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 12:21 PM
Oct 2018

This is never okay.

The only exception is if you are in a production of the producers.


Ligyron

(7,639 posts)
39. That came immediately to mind.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 05:03 PM
Oct 2018

I think he might have been semi-okay at an adult Halloween party, but involving the children in this fairly tasteless act was a bridge too far.

amb123

(1,581 posts)
10. Ahh go Seig Heil yourself!
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 12:36 PM
Oct 2018

And let's hope that Child Protective Services (if one exists in Kentucky) takes his children away.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
15. It was idiotic enough dressing like that in the first place, but then to whine on social media...
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 12:56 PM
Oct 2018

because "intolerant liberals" called him out on it.

What a piece of shit.

Paladin

(28,269 posts)
16. Eat shit and die, you creepy SS wannabe.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 12:58 PM
Oct 2018

God help those poor children, and God help whoever is married to this fuckwit.

obamanut2012

(26,094 posts)
17. That isn't a Halloween costume, that is literally an entire history-accurate SS uniform
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 01:01 PM
Oct 2018

I have a screen-accurate Mandalorian cosplay outfit, which is also not a Halloween costume. I know how much effort and expense goes into something like this -- this dude has actual fucking Nazi SS medicals, uniform, RING, etc. He is literally dressed as the USA's enemy.

He isn't even hiding it.

blugbox

(951 posts)
69. This is what I was here to post
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 04:05 PM
Oct 2018

That is not a halloween costume.

That is either an army/navy surplus getup, or a movie prop for closeup quality

Not cheap in either case by any means, and certainly not something you'd just decide to dress up as and drop that kind of dime for that amount of detail and accuracy.

kimbutgar

(21,174 posts)
18. I'm sure Fox will have him on soon to whine about those mean liberals who were offended
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 01:13 PM
Oct 2018

By him wearing a SS uniform and dressing his innocent 5 year old up as a real mass murderer who perpetrated heinous crimes and is viewed in history as evil.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
19. He's lucky no WWII veterans encountered him in that costume.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 01:30 PM
Oct 2018

I know exactly what my father would have told him: "My job was to shoot and kill people dressed like you. I had friends die from being shot by people dressed like you. You had better get out of my sight."

But, my father is 94 years old and barely gets around with a walker now. He would still tell that asshole would-be Nazi that, though.

 

Ohio Barbarian

(43 posts)
22. Or my uncle, even though he passed away years ago.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 01:47 PM
Oct 2018

He was in the first platoon to reach Dachau. Quiet guy, but got really agitated over Nazis. He'd even say, at the extended family Thanksgiving dinner table, that "Nazis are good only for killing" and "Don't tell me the Holocaust never happened. I saw it with my own eyes."

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
29. wow- your Uncle was in the first platoon to reach Dachau.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 03:18 PM
Oct 2018

That's a very impressive family history and very good of your Uncle to speak of what he saw.

 

Ohio Barbarian

(43 posts)
40. He didn't for many years. When he finally did when I was in college and visited him one time,
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 05:04 PM
Oct 2018

it was pretty terrible, as you might imagine. I had asked him before why there were no Nazis from Dachau at Nuremberg, for I had never heard of any.

He told me there were a few SS who were captured, maybe a dozen. The American troops executed some by firing squad. Others didn't get out that easily. My uncle told me the American soldiers handed out shovels to the survivors strong enough to swing them, and threw a few guards into their midst. About that, he said, "Remember, Nazis are good only for killing."

This was confirmed years later in a declassified film documentary, for some of it was filmed. I don't have the link. I don't want to see it again. My uncle was a gentle man who was exposed to horror and evil that was truly beyond his imagining, and it hurt him deeply.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
67. Exactly. Your uncle had a unique perspective, but everyone
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 09:25 AM
Oct 2018

who fought in that war knew exactly who the enemy was.

NickB79

(19,257 posts)
64. Funny, I was just telling my 8 yr old daughter about her great-grandfather
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 12:12 AM
Oct 2018

She wanted to know what he did in WWII.

I told her "He killed Nazis. It's a family tradition." She never got to meet him, but she still loves and respects him. She's a good kid.

In a way, I'm glad he died 15 yr ago; this is no longer the country he fought for

3Hotdogs

(12,400 posts)
23. A N.J. asshole was visited by child services for naming his kids after Nazi officials.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 02:27 PM
Oct 2018

I believe the kids were removed.

Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Marcuse

(7,504 posts)
25. It takes all kinds.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 02:56 PM
Oct 2018

Re: Kanye West and the “Blacks for Trump” (I viewed his website so you don’t have to) guy. And of course, Stephen Miller.

RockRaven

(14,985 posts)
27. The father's costume is more disturbing and more requiring of apology than the kid's, imo.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 03:08 PM
Oct 2018

I get that people are concerned about kids being impressionable, a guardian's duty towards their minor wards, etc, but as noted above, that SS uniform represents a great deal more of an investment of time, money, and attention than the kid's costume. How deeply invested is this guy in his SS uniform? Evidence suggests a great deal.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
28. OMG, the Father wore a full nazi uniform to take the little kids trick or treating!
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 03:13 PM
Oct 2018

That ADULT in full Nazi uniform has to be a joke? /a photo shopped image?


If this isn't a photo shopped image- this is Another MAGA-Manwho needs to lose his job over that 'disgusting poor decision'.

magicarpet

(14,160 posts)
30. I wonder if this traitor has a Confederate Officers uniform...
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 03:32 PM
Oct 2018

And will go burn the White House to the ground and put toxic poison in the Washington DC water supply,.. as a joke come next year's Halloween ?

This guy thinks he is funny ?

Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
33. Last year he dressed up as a Conderate....
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 03:46 PM
Oct 2018

From the localOwensboro Times

Goldbach said he loves history and often portrays historical figures. Last Halloween he was a Confederate soldier and the year before that a Catholic priest.


This story also states:
Goldbach said that he is not a racist and believes white supremacy to be “disgusting.”


Apparently the reporter for this story missed the screenshots of his FaceBook page extolling the virtues of white pride.
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magicarpet

(14,160 posts)
37. Does he have a Satan costume...
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 04:13 PM
Oct 2018

Or is that his daily uniform ?

Something demonic going on here with this guy.

Jedi Guy

(3,244 posts)
36. I agree with him on one point, and one point only.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 04:12 PM
Oct 2018

Screaming at and threatening a 5-year-old is not okay, no matter the circumstances. That poor kid has no idea who Adolf Hitler was, what he did, or why dressing up as him is a horrific thing to do, particularly the day after a synagogue was attacked by a gun-wielding maniac. The kid is being used as a prop for his dad's lunacy, and is basically just along for the ride. He didn't choose to dress like that, so freaking out on him and threatening him is directing your fire at the wrong target.

That said, the kid's father deserves all the abuse he's getting and then some. You're goddamn right people are going to be "intolerant" of someone dressing up like an SS officer less than 24 hours after 11 Jews were murdered at their synagogue. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that "intolerance." You're free to dress up like a Nazi. We're free to call you a piece of shit. Hooray for freedom!

What an asshole.

Jedi Guy

(3,244 posts)
60. If they did indeed threaten and scream at the child, as the asshole asserted...
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 08:43 PM
Oct 2018

Then I think they're wrong in doing so. Like I said, the kid has/had no choice in the matter, and has no clue about why someone would be upset about his costume.

Then again, this is an asshole asserting such, so it's possible you're right and the vitriol was directed entirely at the asshole. Not having been there, there's no way I can know which is which.

In any case, I can't imagine any situation in which it's okay to scream at and/or threaten a 5-year-old. I can, however, imagine someone being so furious and outraged that they did so in the heat of the moment. Anger can make people do and say things they would never normally do or say.

BigmanPigman

(51,623 posts)
43. Roseanne dressed as Hitler taking burnt Jewishmen cookies out of her oven...NOT FUNNY!
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 05:34 PM
Oct 2018

Prince Harry dressed as Hitler and got Hell for it. Dressing as Hitler is not a good idea, period.

rpannier

(24,333 posts)
63. It isn't funny
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 09:48 PM
Oct 2018

But at least with Roseanne, she is Jewish. It puts a little different spin on her costume
And dressing your kid as Hitler...

3catwoman3

(24,026 posts)
49. That "costume" looks custom tailored. It fits...
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 06:43 PM
Oct 2018

...him perfectly - both physically, and, apparently, attitudinally. What a creep.

No way that is a $39.99 item from Party City.

rpannier

(24,333 posts)
62. The girls from Prussian Blue might disagree with him
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 09:46 PM
Oct 2018

Their parents were neo-nutzi whack jobs. Last I knew, they had distanced themselves from the father and they weren't close to the mother either. They blamed him mostly

marble falls

(57,150 posts)
52. The photo and the FB post are even worse than the article implies. Thanks for ...
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 07:25 PM
Oct 2018

posting a photo of this "nationalist".

catsudon

(849 posts)
54. btw, the wife isn't any better
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 07:29 PM
Oct 2018

“There is no objective proof of the six million Jews he supposedly murdered,” MaryAnne Goldbach wrote. “If there really was a Holocaust, then why does it have to be forced down your throat. Open your eyes people. I will not let my kids be taught stupidity.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/kentucky-dad-unhappy-at-treatment-after-dressing-son-5-as-hitler-for-halloween/

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
57. I always ask these people, "OK, so if it wasn't 6M, how many? What number is acceptable?"
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 08:26 PM
Oct 2018

I never get a straight answer.

skypilot

(8,854 posts)
68. If there really was a Holocaust...
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 12:34 PM
Oct 2018
...then why does it have to be forced down your throat.

What the hell does that even mean?

TexasBushwhacker

(20,209 posts)
56. I wonder if he's had his DNA analyzed
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 08:08 PM
Oct 2018

With a name like Goldbach, I wouldn't be surprised if he has some Jewish ancestors.

no_hypocrisy

(46,157 posts)
59. More than 10 years ago in southern NJ, parents lost custody of their children
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 08:36 PM
Oct 2018

to the state because they named their son Adolf Hitler (among other reasons).

rpannier

(24,333 posts)
61. He bears a bit of a resemblance to Eric Dorf
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 09:44 PM
Oct 2018

The character Michael Moriarty played in the Holocaust.
Be curious how many people yelled at his kid (that number should be zero), because I doubt many, if any at all, did that
And... how does he know they were all from the Left. I know a lot of centrists and conservatives who would have been aghast at it and likely would have said something

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
65. The young child hasn't a clue how offensive this is. His father, on the other hand, is a moron.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 02:31 AM
Oct 2018

god help our children in this country.

maxrandb

(15,345 posts)
66. Please tell me he no longer has a job
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 08:58 AM
Oct 2018

These fuckers need to be shunned to absolute poverty and destitution.

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