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(34,195 posts)
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:23 PM Nov 2018

Trump Suggests He Will Call For New Election in Arizona: 'SIGNATURES DON'T MATCH'

Source: Mediate

The President of the United States is floating the possibility of throwing out the results of an entire Senate election and calling for a new vote — alleging electoral corruption.

In a Friday afternoon tweet sent from somewhere over the Atlantic — as he’s currently on board Air Force One en route to France — President Donald Trump floated the possibility of a new election in Arizona, where the votes are still being tabulated in the Senate contest between Kyrsten Sinema (D) and Martha McSally (R). The reason for the drastic action, according to Trump? “Electoral corruption.”

“Just out — in Arizona,” Trump wrote. “SIGNATURES DON’T MATCH. Electoral corruption – Call for a new Election? We must protect our Democracy!”

The presidential dispatch was sent at 3:33 p.m. ET.

Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-suggests-he-will-call-for-new-election-in-arizona-signatures-dont-match/



Twenty-seven minutes earlier, a report on the Arizona Senate contest aired on Fox News. In it, correspondent Dan Springer stated the following:
“There are still just under 500,000 votes to count. Nearly all are in Maricopa [County]. And that’s where a legal drama is brewing. The Republican party sued over the handling of ballots where the signature either wasn’t there or didn’t match…a short time ago, the Republican Party chairman accused the Maricopa County recorder — a Democrat — of destroying evidence by mixing in disputed ballots in with all the others.”
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Trump Suggests He Will Call For New Election in Arizona: 'SIGNATURES DON'T MATCH' (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Nov 2018 OP
sorry, not going to happen asshole. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE STATE LAW. still_one Nov 2018 #1
Agreed DownriverDem Nov 2018 #12
He nominates an AG, which must be approved by the Senate. Which is republican. The AG is temporary still_one Nov 2018 #13
Sorry, even an interim appointment MUST be confirmed by the Senate. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #31
Almost right c_junk Nov 2018 #41
Thanks for the correction still_one Nov 2018 #58
I find it hilarious when he throws out these taunts Ahpook Nov 2018 #34
Yeah, and it looks like the news treats Cha Nov 2018 #66
Well, if the idiot thinks he can have new elections anytime Farmer-Rick Nov 2018 #60
The idiot still doesn't get he's not the dictator he wants to be. brush Nov 2018 #65
After 2000, the GOP lost any degree of credibility to challenge an election Siwsan Nov 2018 #2
When the president is taking charge of elections, we have a dictator. Doodley Nov 2018 #3
Lawsuit has been settled it sounds like sweetloukillbot Nov 2018 #4
He has no authority to do it. Sanity Claws Nov 2018 #5
Nope, but... regnaD kciN Nov 2018 #8
Disregard response. Sanity Claws Nov 2018 #9
Can we call for new presidential election now? LisaL Nov 2018 #6
He can go outside and scream at the rain. It won't quell the storm. RockRaven Nov 2018 #7
Tubby is scouring Paris for McDonald's to eat away his rage. Hassler Nov 2018 #10
Tubby......hahaha.....why didn't we think of that before?? Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #42
Because it's fat shaming... Wounded Bear Nov 2018 #46
He really thinks he is Hitler, doesn't he? TheCowsCameHome Nov 2018 #11
No. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2018 #16
+1,000,000! dchill Nov 2018 #43
He can't do that but the MAGATs will believe he can. CottonBear Nov 2018 #14
Yes, that's exactly what it is. LisaM Nov 2018 #17
as Bertolt Brecht said: DBoon Nov 2018 #15
Bravo.... salvagemax2018 Nov 2018 #39
Please throw out the Electoral College from the 2016 election. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2018 #18
Nope. No can do, shitler. paleotn Nov 2018 #19
Does the Executive branch have any purview over state elections? iluvtennis Nov 2018 #20
The constitution delegates election procedures mostly to the states; The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #26
Thank you for clarifying - much appreciated. iluvtennis Nov 2018 #40
I'm pretty sure it doesn't even mention how elections are run... Wounded Bear Nov 2018 #47
It says only this: The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #49
I live in Phoenix. Shitler can go pound sand. kairos12 Nov 2018 #21
What is he going to do? Sign one of his royal decrees? The Genealogist Nov 2018 #22
Gee, that's what I wanted to happen with the 2016 election catrose Nov 2018 #23
Will Trumps next move be to aboslish the office of President and INdemo Nov 2018 #24
He'll call himself Emperor Palpatine. dchill Nov 2018 #44
Signatures don't match? world wide wally Nov 2018 #25
THAT was my first question. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #32
I live in Phoenix madeup64 Nov 2018 #50
Trump needs a mental health exam NOW!! I am serious. riversedge Nov 2018 #27
I think that ship has sailed... Trueblue Texan Nov 2018 #56
A second, carefully monitored election would be a disaster for the GOP. FreepFryer Nov 2018 #28
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #29
Good luck with that, fucko Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #30
Fuck you, traitor. dalton99a Nov 2018 #33
Here it comes. We knew he was going to claim the election was rigged. tinrobot Nov 2018 #35
MY signature doesn't match itself! CCExile Nov 2018 #36
This describes me to a T as well... WePurrsevere Nov 2018 #53
Ditto. Jedi Guy Nov 2018 #59
He's got some goddamn gall talking about "protecting democracy". Golden Raisin Nov 2018 #37
He's probably confused because last year someone told him that Theresa May called for an election dflprincess Nov 2018 #38
Unfortunately, he believes he can ignore the Constitution. Stonepounder Nov 2018 #45
I wonder if the signatures on the executive orders match those ... mwooldri Nov 2018 #48
Or on the nondisclosure agreements dem4decades Nov 2018 #51
Yeah, those vertical zig-zags don't look the same! Ilsa Nov 2018 #68
However Doreen Nov 2018 #52
He's corrupting OUR government duforsure Nov 2018 #54
well, as long as we're calling for new elections... Trueblue Texan Nov 2018 #55
It's a distraction Rizen Nov 2018 #57
That would be a neat trick... malthaussen Nov 2018 #61
As predicted, Trump is calling elections he lost illegitimate. Oneironaut Nov 2018 #62
A new election law needs to be crafted in that signatures aren't used to verify voters. Too ... SWBTATTReg Nov 2018 #63
he will call for one because doing so is outrageous, not because he's going to get one 0rganism Nov 2018 #64
I have maybe 4 distinct signatures dembotoz Nov 2018 #67

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
12. Agreed
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:41 PM
Nov 2018

That was my first thought too. He has no authority to do it. He had no right to pick an illegal AG either.

still_one

(92,204 posts)
13. He nominates an AG, which must be approved by the Senate. Which is republican. The AG is temporary
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:48 PM
Nov 2018

until a permanent one is chosen. The temporary AG doesn't need to be confirmed. However, he must pick a permanent one within 7 months as I understand it




Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
31. Sorry, even an interim appointment MUST be confirmed by the Senate.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:33 PM
Nov 2018

This is the Department of Justice, not the WH staff photographer.

c_junk

(46 posts)
41. Almost right
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:30 PM
Nov 2018

All principal appointees, those who report directly to the President, require the advice and consent of the Senate. That means that tRump could appoint anyone to this position who has been approved by the Senate for any other executive branch position, like he did with Mark Meadows. The problem is that Whittaker hasn't been through that process. He's legally ineligible.

Cha

(297,265 posts)
66. Yeah, and it looks like the news treats
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 06:10 AM
Nov 2018

it as real thing.. like it's "normal" instead of batshit insane.

Farmer-Rick

(10,175 posts)
60. Well, if the idiot thinks he can have new elections anytime
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 09:51 AM
Nov 2018

things aren't going his way, why doesn't he call for new elections whenever Dems get voted in?

Look at all those Dems who won in the House. He'll be calling for new elections for all of them soon.

sweetloukillbot

(11,024 posts)
4. Lawsuit has been settled it sounds like
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:27 PM
Nov 2018

All the little counties are now going to also continue going thru disputed ballots until Nov.14. There's only 6K or so in Maricopa though, so I can't imagine more than 1000 total for the rest of the state?

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
8. Nope, but...
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:34 PM
Nov 2018

...the new Senate (which will still remain majority Republican) can refuse to seat her. It’s been done in the past.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
17. Yes, that's exactly what it is.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:51 PM
Nov 2018

He's just writing talking points for those nutballs to use in newspaper comments columns.

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
15. as Bertolt Brecht said:
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:48 PM
Nov 2018

“Some party hack decreed that the people
had lost the government's confidence
and could only regain it with redoubled effort.
If that is the case, would it not be be simpler,
If the government simply dissolved the people
And elected another?”

― Bertolt Brecht

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
19. Nope. No can do, shitler.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:09 PM
Nov 2018

Beyond the fact that the moron doesn't have the power to do a tiny fraction of what he thinks he can do, isn't it interesting how one minute their defense of states rights would make Alexander Stephens proud. Except of course when a particular state isn't doing what they want. Hypocritical bastards.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
26. The constitution delegates election procedures mostly to the states;
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:50 PM
Nov 2018

to the extent the federal government can be involved (e.g., the Voting Rights Act), it would have to be Congress that does it, not the president.

Wounded Bear

(58,660 posts)
47. I'm pretty sure it doesn't even mention how elections are run...
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:28 AM
Nov 2018

which puts into 10th Amendment territory.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
49. It says only this:
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:58 AM
Nov 2018

The Times, Places, and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

catrose

(5,067 posts)
23. Gee, that's what I wanted to happen with the 2016 election
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:33 PM
Nov 2018

But it was SOOOOOOOO impossible. I'd think those reasons would apply here too--and anyway, it's up to Arizona.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
32. THAT was my first question.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:36 PM
Nov 2018

I can find no real solid information about who made the call that all of these signatures do not match. Did they bring in a forensic expert in handwriting analysis ? As people age, their signatures change.

madeup64

(257 posts)
50. I live in Phoenix
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 01:28 AM
Nov 2018

I voted in the special Debbie Lesko unfortunately won. I am on the PEVL, permanent early voting list, so I get mailed my ballot for every election/primary. Upon returning my ballot (I dropped it off directly at the main county recorder's office), I recieved a voicemail maybe 2 days later from a county recorder worker saying my signature on my ballot was slightly different than on my registration. I called back and advised it was my signature and my ballot he thanked me for calling back and that was it. So even if they don't match or are missing, they email or call the person to verify and it is certainly not a handwriting expert.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
28. A second, carefully monitored election would be a disaster for the GOP.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:06 PM
Nov 2018

Better to take your lumps, you vacuous, strutting, porcine prick.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
29. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:07 PM
Nov 2018

Can you imagine where we would be if the president was not a dumb-ass, ignorant, stupid mother fucking Authoritarian. But had one lick of intelligence.

Scary.

This is a man who said, in public at a Republican gathering, ‘who knew Lincoln was a Republican?’ Everyone but him.

CCExile

(469 posts)
36. MY signature doesn't match itself!
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:47 PM
Nov 2018

Depends on how I feel, how tired I am, how much of a hurry I'm in, the pen I use, and the fact that my hand writing has declined for years. Are They saying most doctors can't vote? People with MS shouldn't vote...

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
53. This describes me to a T as well...
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:38 AM
Nov 2018

Even with the MS part. My first capital letter is almost always the same but after that, all bets are off.

Jedi Guy

(3,192 posts)
59. Ditto.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 09:40 AM
Nov 2018

My last name is quite long, so my signature is often what looks like my first initial followed by a squiggle. And there's a LOT of variation in that squiggle, let me tell you.

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
38. He's probably confused because last year someone told him that Theresa May called for an election
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:09 PM
Nov 2018

and now he thinks he can too.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
45. Unfortunately, he believes he can ignore the Constitution.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:18 AM
Nov 2018

And, so far, he has been proven correct. Screw the Emoluments Clause. Who cares about Campaign Finance Laws. What difference does it matter if he violates Posse Comitatus. What difference if he alters official video and calls the modified result the truth. And the ONLY thing that the GOP held Senate cares about is maintaining it corrupt cash-flow from various corrupt places and enemy nations.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
48. I wonder if the signatures on the executive orders match those ...
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:52 AM
Nov 2018

... on his passport or driver's license.

So if they don't match... Do we get a new prez?

Just saying...

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
52. However
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:09 AM
Nov 2018

It would be hilarious if he got a second election and the candidate he did not want to come even close to winning won in a landslide. Just saying.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
54. He's corrupting OUR government
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:58 AM
Nov 2018

One day at a time. He's made the justice department his weapon against anyone who opposes him , and his enemies , and not he's trying to illegally influence this election result. I think this will backfire and send more to prison for corrupt, organized corruption. Trump is criminally involved and behind it all, and in Florida, and Georgia also, and he'll be exposed and held accountable. So will those that are involved , including whitaker if he does anything to corrupt the results, and he will cause trump will demand he does. This new AG is very likely already in deep, deep trouble from criminal fraud.

Trueblue Texan

(2,430 posts)
55. well, as long as we're calling for new elections...
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:38 AM
Nov 2018

Let's just have a do-over for the 2016 Presidential election, mmkay?

Oneironaut

(5,500 posts)
62. As predicted, Trump is calling elections he lost illegitimate.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:18 PM
Nov 2018

This man has shown time and time again to be poisonous to US Democracy.

SWBTATTReg

(22,129 posts)
63. A new election law needs to be crafted in that signatures aren't used to verify voters. Too ...
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:00 PM
Nov 2018

much discrepancy exists, e.g., an older voter vs. an younger signature (hand may tremble more as one gets older, etc.), and if you know of Antiques Road Show and Gallery 63, etc., they have to have handwriting experts (experts mind you) to verify signatures (of which there could be ten different versions of a person's signature and all of them could be valid!).

This is patently wrong.

0rganism

(23,955 posts)
64. he will call for one because doing so is outrageous, not because he's going to get one
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:51 PM
Nov 2018

he'll be using this kind of bullshit to rally local support for vote suppression in the wake of last week's GOP wipeout.

this is not about policy, it's about grabbing news cycles and solidifying his base.

dembotoz

(16,806 posts)
67. I have maybe 4 distinct signatures
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 07:35 AM
Nov 2018

1 important papers pay attention
2 checkbook and similar... maybe somewhat similar to number one but not really
3my gas station credit card receipt and no one is ever gonna look at this stupid thing
4 my I am annoyed fuck you signature .I live in a state with voter ID and I promise this is the signature I would use
I remember using signiture number 4 on a note from my kids principal who sent a return note questioning my signature and saying my kid did it..my wife prevented my use of signature number 5 which is done in crayon.

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