However, he didn't do that and now he's frantically trying to save his career and distance himself from this fiasco.

As far as a replacement goes, I can think of no better choice than the duo of openly gay Ian McKellen and honorary gay Patrick Stewart. The two of them play off each other very well and would provide plenty of humor and entertainment. Not only that but they would bring some class and gravitas to the ceremony as they are both accomplished and respected actors who are adored by all generations.

People do evolve and, like you said, if they'd come out at the start with an apology and a statement explaining how they've changed, people would be more open to believe them. But when this happens only after managers and agents have gotten involved, it becomes harder to believe they truly changed.

The blurb you posted, at least. Person A (Hollywood Exec.) tells Person B (aspiring actress) she will get the lead roll she has sex with him. Person B refuses and does not get the lead roll. Person A makes the same offer to Person C. Person C accepts and gets the lead roll. Person C contributed to the environment in which sex for promotion became common by enabling it and indirectly helped punish Person B for refusing to have sex with Person A.

Of course, this is totally irrelevant in the cases of more one sided and non-consensual sexual harassment that occurred.

Probably the most recent 'PR sting' they remember is regarding their failure to be inclusive of AA's, so they thought 'let's get a very popular, talented AA person to host the show' ... and someone came up with Kevin Hart.

He IS a very popular, and talented, black comedian, no getting around that. He probably looked very good 'on paper' to the old white guys deciding who they'd invite to host.

But they clearly didn't do their due diligence considering what OTHER minority group ... they may be offending with this particular choice.

There's a lot of dichotomies like this when you're liberal ... Black and Hispanic communities tend to be Religious, and in a very general sense ... not always all that accepting of homosexuality. Even 'choice', especially in the case of the largely Catholic Hispanic population is not looked on all that fondly ... yet we seek unity with these groups, hoping to find common cause.

Divisions like this are why our side can be undermined and exploited by the other side. And make no mistake: they KNOW IT and they USE IT.

I see it as fodder for ,potentially, lots of important conversatioms.

Certainly most previous Oscar hosts have.

I guess they still could...

And, I don't know what "apology" they mean, but what I say was a long double-downing screed basically calling us all sensitive snowflakes.

provide no evidence of the hack, then call in a panel of close friends to say he is a great guy and brazen it out. That seemed to work for someone else, can't recall who.

Or have people just moved on?

If not, what do you think they were talking about?

She is hosting a journalism show in which her credibility matters. She out and out lied to our faces about what she wrote. On top of that, what she wrote was close to as bad as his tweets. Had Ronan Farrow written about interracial couples what she wrote about gays in regards to children he wouldn't have a job, pulitizer or no pulitzer.

To your own personage, if no one else...

"We're gonna need a bigger boat."

Do you disagree?

???

Thought Michelle wolf at correspondence dinner was brilliant. Now they will have a historian?
No guts
Do I like gay jokes...no
Did I like them 20 years ago?
I will plead the 5th
Times change

Not only were they homophobic, his jokes involved promises to beat and abuse his son for showing supposedly "gay" behavior. This is unacceptable.

He had a chance to apologize earlier this week. Instead he doubled down. That's not 20 years ago. It's two days ago.

Why bring it up now?

Maybe he should have claimed he was hacked?

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9923613

because she's not a comedian. She was serious and she meant the things she said, IMO her claim of being hacked was nonsense.

Joy's tweets weren't acceptable either. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Instead of defending people for making violent, homophobic comments, why not all agree that this behavior is unacceptable. No matter who does it.

leeway than I do others. Joy Reid was forgiven by most here. I'm not going to get offended over jokes that I don't find funny and I'm not going to demand a pound of flesh from a comedian. Just as beauty is in the eyes of the beholder so is a sense of humor.

That's not what you said at the time. You totally gave her a pass on her phony hacking story and non-apology.

you said it was all 'manufactured outrage"


https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9923613


In fact you even tried to claim it showed collusion between Putin and Bernie!

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9920933

It gives me an opportunity to bring up collusion with the Russian trolls again.

Thanks.

from people who ought to know better. That is the context in which these comments were made.

Which was a good thing. But that happens so rarely in liberal circles. Usually we lose a lot of good people like Al Franken, for even the most mild forms of un PC behaviour done years earlier.

I don't know how liberal or active as a Democrat Hart is, this is not a political figure, but still, we have to learn to pick our battles. This kind of reaction to a comedians (who's MO is to push boundaries) old tweets even if he apologizes he is stained forever. One result is that many apolitical fans of his, those that we are trying to get out to the polls to actually vote, might have more liberal views and would have voted Democratic, but get turned off by the PC police and the Republican mantra of freedom to express yourself even if it isn't "nice" or "proper" is more appealing.

And are you actually saying that Franken resigned because he did something "un-PC", and forced out by liberals?

Yes it is very un-PC to mock grabbing a woman by the breasts for a gag photo

even if it was taken over a decade ago

on a comedy tour

with others in the room laughing along

on a fully dressed woman pretending not to notice

on a woman that engaged in similar behavior, perhaps even more egregious as she actually grabbed flesh, and on stage.

a woman that then had a right wing radio show who colluded with Roger Stone.



But if you take just the photo, taken on a comedy tour, that long ago, and transport it into the present day, during the height of the #metoo movement, it is defined as very 'un-PC'. And I don't know how 'liberal' they are, but yes, he was taken down by Democrats who would not even honor his request for a voluntary ethics probe. Democrats that may have seen him as competition in the future because of his popularity and hard work as a Senator.

as Oscar host.

If you haven't, check him out on You Tube.

He can sing (and I am sure, dance) and gives great comedy.

He would be brilliant!

And said that was his wife’s job. You know , aka “woman’s work”. And when it came out that he had cheated on his 8 months pregnant wife.

especially in a black community where lgbt acceptance is lower, he contributed to the culture of homophobia. I want to see all his other contracts falling apart as he is becoming toxic and a liability. His selection by the academy was brilliant as it has exposed him to the world; almost like he got played (which he deserves of course).

...not like he's every did comedy that was offensive.

"They fired Kevin Hart from hosting the Oscars for a 10 year old Tweet. Hard to find someone pure enough to give awards to a room full of drug addicts and child molesters."

Considering they were the ones offended their feeling should definitely be taken into account. I honestly don't understand people who are willing to give comedians or anyone a pass on hate speech.

People like what he does. Why not?