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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 06:52 PM Dec 2018

White House has asked all Cabinet agencies for wall funding

Source: The Hill

President Trump has asked all Cabinet agencies to find additional funds that could be used to build his long-desired border wall, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Tuesday.

"The president's asked every agency to look and see if they have money that can be used for that purpose," she said. "We're looking at every avenue available"

The comments are the latest indication the White House is trying to climb down from its threat to trigger a shutdown over Trump's demand for $5 billion in wall funding.

Sanders said the president would essentially defer to Congress in drafting a spending proposal. "We want to know what they can pass," she said.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/421923-white-house-has-asked-all-cabinet-agencies-for-wall-funding

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White House has asked all Cabinet agencies for wall funding (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Dec 2018 OP
Check Under the Sofa Cushions for Loose Change dlk Dec 2018 #1
TRUMP: "Who's gonna pay for the wall?" CROWD: "NOBODY!" forgotmylogin Dec 2018 #27
Give the dumb ass a sign and a street corner. He can beg for his wall and any government agency Autumn Dec 2018 #2
Oh, would be such a delight to see #DontheCon on a street corner riversedge Dec 2018 #26
They can look all they want but moving that money out of there area without the approval of Congress cstanleytech Dec 2018 #3
Glad you said that or I would have. Having worked for the federal government, you can't just move politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2018 #28
Sell the dining room suite HUD bought. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #4
Someone on CNN said that taking money to pay for something BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #5
He doesn't know that. KatyaR Dec 2018 #9
Individual 1 doesn't care if he breaks the law. LiberalFighter Dec 2018 #24
See my post above #28 in response to your question. politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2018 #29
Apparently members of DU understand the legalities BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #33
Trump knows absolutely nothing... SergeStorms Dec 2018 #35
What boggles my mind... BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #37
Have the RNC raise the money Renew Deal Dec 2018 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Nasruddin Dec 2018 #14
Borrow it from his followers. Mexico will pay them back... Purrfessor Dec 2018 #7
Maybe the Trump Foundation can pay for... klook Dec 2018 #8
No, they can't take loose change from any other department w/o Congressional approval. machoneman Dec 2018 #10
I don't think that's legal. Besides, it was pointed out last week that of the X billion dollars... George II Dec 2018 #11
He's used to doing that with his pet charity... pecosbob Dec 2018 #12
How about the Department of "Mexico Will Fund It"? Dave Starsky Dec 2018 #13
Doesn't Mexico have an 800 number? durablend Dec 2018 #15
Let's start here jmowreader Dec 2018 #16
I believe there are legal limits on such... paleotn Dec 2018 #17
His golden toilets... dhill926 Dec 2018 #18
Article I, Section 9. U.S. Constitution BumRushDaShow Dec 2018 #19
Exactly! MineralMan Dec 2018 #31
I've taken a bunch of "Appropriations Law" courses over the years. BumRushDaShow Dec 2018 #34
Again; demonstrating his complete ineptitude to the position he holds hostage... EarthFirst Dec 2018 #20
Laughing at YOU Donald! riversedge Dec 2018 #21
The stupidity is galling. gademocrat7 Dec 2018 #22
Sell Melania's red Christmas trees and other hideous decor items Liberty Belle Dec 2018 #23
If it was legal/constitutional that would mean the funding of those agencies probably should LiberalFighter Dec 2018 #25
GoFundMe, Trump! MineralMan Dec 2018 #30
Brother, Can You Spare a Dime torius Dec 2018 #32
so now he's passing the hat. Javaman Dec 2018 #36
Well, someone is passing the hat - We The People Will Fund The Wall csziggy Dec 2018 #38

Autumn

(45,106 posts)
2. Give the dumb ass a sign and a street corner. He can beg for his wall and any government agency
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 06:56 PM
Dec 2018

that kicks in for his wall should have their budget cut by whatever amount they give him.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
3. They can look all they want but moving that money out of there area without the approval of Congress
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 06:58 PM
Dec 2018

to spend it on something else might be illegal so might want to ask them which of them wants to go to prison also.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
28. Glad you said that or I would have. Having worked for the federal government, you can't just move
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:17 PM
Dec 2018

money around willy nilly. When Congress appropriates money, it must be used for the purpose (appropriation) as intended. It is also sometimes referred to as the "color of money". To do otherwise is called "misappropriation" of funds, which is a crime. Congress appropriates the funding at the beginning of the fiscal year, for projects/purposes usually decided upon prior to the beginning of the fiscal year, and those funds must be used for the purpose intended. Multiyear programs (i.e. a fleet of new aircraft for the military) or construction projects which will take more than a year to complete, are usually purchased over a period of time with annual incremental funding provided on a fiscal year basis.

Funds that do not get spent in the fiscal year intended and for the purpose intended expire or "Cancel" at the end of that fiscal year and those funds are referred to as Cancelling Funds. Funds due to cancel can only be used for the type of funding intended. Each year at the beginning of the fiscal year, we would identify those funds due to 'cancel' at the end of the current fiscal year which will not be needed to complete current projects. The purpose of this is to identify and deobligate those funds and return them so that Congress can re-appropriate those funds which are not needed for the project originally intended, and to return them to Congress where they might be reappropriated to other projects. If they are not reappropriated prior to their expiration date, they expire and cannot be used. If there is still an outstanding obligation related to that funding, then the Procurement personnel will have to go back to Congress and secure new current year fiscal year funding.

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
5. Someone on CNN said that taking money to pay for something
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:00 PM
Dec 2018

else is unconstitutional. All monies have to be approved by Congress.

KatyaR

(3,445 posts)
9. He doesn't know that.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:10 PM
Dec 2018

He doesn't know shit about anything. He thinks he can just say something and it will happen. #dumbshit

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
33. Apparently members of DU understand the legalities
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:56 PM
Dec 2018

of running the govt more than he does. Or more accurately he doesn't care whether it breaks the law or not since he is acting under the "laws of tRump" and that is all that matters to him. It is only HIS rules and laws that the narcissistic sociopath feels he needs to follow. He is seriously unfit for office.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
35. Trump knows absolutely nothing...
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:48 AM
Dec 2018

about our government and what's legal and not legal. He still thinks he's running the "Trump Foundation", which now no longer exists. How can a "man" (and I use that word in the most loose sense possible) who knows nothing, doesn't want to learn anything, and expects to run the country using his "gut," be allowed to remain in office? It's a mystery to me, BigmanPigman. This guy shouldn't have been allowed to run for Town Councilman. The pundits keep harping on "how smart he is". I've seen no evidence that his IQ is any higher than his shoe size.

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
37. What boggles my mind...
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:29 PM
Dec 2018

or perhaps conscience, is how he blatantly flaunts his disregard for Mueller and 17 (that we know of) ongoing investigations. If I were under the microscope I would be watching everything I said and did. It isn't paranoia but plain logic. If you committed a zillion crimes and everyone (except his dumber than shit cult/fan base) were onto you on every imaginable level a normal person would attempt to appear on the level. He and his criminal family enterprise seems to continue their criminal activities as if they were clueless of the outcomes when they are eventually caught. I just do not get how they can appear like they are unaware of their obvious predicament. I would be visible sweating in full public view like Nixon did during the Kennedy debates.

Response to Renew Deal (Reply #6)

machoneman

(4,007 posts)
10. No, they can't take loose change from any other department w/o Congressional approval.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:18 PM
Dec 2018

Sorry, no go, Trumpenstein!

Talk about grasping for straws!!!

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. I don't think that's legal. Besides, it was pointed out last week that of the X billion dollars...
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:19 PM
Dec 2018

...in the current budget (forget the actual number), only about 5% has been spent.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
13. How about the Department of "Mexico Will Fund It"?
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:21 PM
Dec 2018

Has he checked with them? Because I clearly heard, several times, that they were in charge of this.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
16. Let's start here
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:43 PM
Dec 2018

Last edited Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:59 AM - Edit history (1)

The Trump Organization will no longer be compensated for rooms, meals and golf carts used by the Secret Service when they provide security for him at his resorts. That'll save...oh, about $30 million a year.

Trump can also reimburse the Air Force for all flight hours spent transporting him to his resorts.

No one else has any money to give him, and it is a federal crime for him to divert funds to unauthorized projects.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
17. I believe there are legal limits on such...
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:49 PM
Dec 2018

Congress appropriated money for specific purposes stated in funding legislation. In my mind, Congress would have to approve any significant reallocation.

BumRushDaShow

(129,085 posts)
19. Article I, Section 9. U.S. Constitution
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:04 PM
Dec 2018
Article I

<...>

Section 9.

<...>

No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law; and a regular statement and account of receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time.

<...>

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei

BumRushDaShow

(129,085 posts)
34. I've taken a bunch of "Appropriations Law" courses over the years.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 10:04 PM
Dec 2018

They don't play!

(at least if you are a lowly civil servant although the courts have taken down some big 'uns too )

EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
20. Again; demonstrating his complete ineptitude to the position he holds hostage...
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:04 PM
Dec 2018

Appropriations cannot simply be wielded at bay to whatever pet project deemed necessary on a whim.

Of course this is how he’s handeled the entire affair from trade; treaties and diplomatic relations.

You cannot simply pluck a solution out of thin air...

LiberalFighter

(50,943 posts)
25. If it was legal/constitutional that would mean the funding of those agencies probably should
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:35 PM
Dec 2018

be reviewed and cuts made.

torius

(1,652 posts)
32. Brother, Can You Spare a Dime
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:31 PM
Dec 2018

They used to tell me I was building a dream
And so I followed the mob
When there was earth to plow or guns to bear
I was always there right on the job
They used to tell me I was building a dream
With peace and glory ahead
Why should I be standing in line
Just waiting for bread?
Once I built a railroad, I made it run
Made it race against time
Once I built a railroad, now it's done
Brother, can you spare a dime?
Once I built a tower up to the sun
Brick and rivet and lime
Once I built a tower, now it's done
Brother, can you spare a dime?
Once in khaki suits, gee we looked swell
Full of that yankee doodly dum
Half a million boots went sloggin' through hell
And I was the kid with the drum
Say, don't you remember, they called me Al
It was Al all the time
Why don't you remember, I'm your pal
Say buddy, can you spare a dime?
Once in khaki suits, ah gee we looked swell
Full of that yankee doodly dum
Half a million boots went sloggin' through hell
And I was the kid with the drum
Oh, say, don't you remember, they called me Al
It was Al all the time
Say, don't you remember, I'm your pal
Buddy, can you spare a dime?

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
38. Well, someone is passing the hat - We The People Will Fund The Wall
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:21 PM
Dec 2018
https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall

As of now they have $5,841,044 of $1.0B goal - and Dolt45 wants $5B to build his wall.
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