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brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 08:27 PM Dec 2018

Mueller may submit report to attorney general as soon as mid-February, say sources

Source: NBC News

WASHINGTON — Special counsel Robert Mueller is nearing the end of his historic investigation into Russian election interference and is expected to submit a confidential report to the attorney general as early as mid-February, government officials and others familiar with the situation tell NBC News.

"They clearly are tying up loose ends," said a lawyer who has been in contact with the Mueller team.

The sources either did not know or would not say whether Mueller has answered the fundamental question he was hired to investigate: Whether Trump or anyone around him conspired with the Russian intelligence operations to help his campaign.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna949961?__twitter_impression=true

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Mueller may submit report to attorney general as soon as mid-February, say sources (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2018 OP
Assuming we have one by that time. Attorney General that is. George II Dec 2018 #1
Well, this is it, I guess. How can he have arrived at answers w/o interviewing the Trump family? Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #2
Or maybe this is the same old thing -- defense lawyers trying to hurry Mueller along. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #4
Maybe. But this is a date that Mueller has given....for the 1st time. ??? nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #6
Where does it say Mueller has given any date? Mueller's spokesperson wouldn't respond. pnwmom Dec 2018 #10
Ken Dilanian explained that Justice Dept officials have been given timeline by Mueller wishstar Dec 2018 #11
I wonder which JD official. Matt Whitaker, perhaps? n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #12
Oh, I heard it on podcast. I thought it said that it was official that the report would be... Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #20
No, and if you listened to the whole thing, you probably heard the disclaimers -- pnwmom Dec 2018 #22
Agreed.nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #23
Defense lawyers have been making claims like that for more than a year. pnwmom Dec 2018 #3
Where have I heard this before? LiberalFighter Dec 2018 #5
Bull. Fucking. Shit. And here's a great explanation of why it is Bull. Fucking. Shit. Roland99 Dec 2018 #7
Seth has been excellent on Trump/Russia and I trust him over "anonymous" NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #9
Thanks for posting this emulatorloo Dec 2018 #14
+1. Well, that settles that, I'd say. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #21
I don't believe it NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #8
I don't believe it. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #13
Seth Abramson shut me down when I posted this earlier today. BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #15
There may be two reports. Perhaps only the first one is finishing up. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2018 #16
Mueller is a genius of timing. He knows there is a time limit. Nitram Dec 2018 #17
Dilanian said he was skeptical, too, but insists his, and Pete Williams', sources DeminPennswoods Dec 2018 #18
Nadler also said on Maddow's show tonight DeminPennswoods Dec 2018 #19
I missed her show. I think the intelligence committees in both houses can get the report? Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #24

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
2. Well, this is it, I guess. How can he have arrived at answers w/o interviewing the Trump family?
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 08:40 PM
Dec 2018

Hmmmmm. Or maybe he'll hand it off to the House?

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
10. Where does it say Mueller has given any date? Mueller's spokesperson wouldn't respond.
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 09:15 PM
Dec 2018
Mueller's spokesman, Peter Carr, declined to comment. The president's lawyer, Jay Sekulow, said, "We don't discuss conversations we've had or have not had with the office of special counsel."

wishstar

(5,269 posts)
11. Ken Dilanian explained that Justice Dept officials have been given timeline by Mueller
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 09:21 PM
Dec 2018

Ken who reported this story was on MSNBC stating that the timeline given by Mueller to DOJ gives no details about indictments or anything specific but just a heads up to DOJ to be prepared for Mueller wrapping things up by mid-February so DOJ has general idea to plan for future activity expected.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
20. Oh, I heard it on podcast. I thought it said that it was official that the report would be...
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:06 AM
Dec 2018

turned in around that time. It sounded definite, so I guess I assumed. Didn't realize it was another Guliani-like estimate.

Phew. That makes me feel better.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
22. No, and if you listened to the whole thing, you probably heard the disclaimers --
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:22 AM
Dec 2018

that things could complicate Mueller's plan to write the report by February.

The bottom line is that nowhere in the story does it say someone from Mueller's team told Dilanian any of this. And why should we believe anyone on Team Trump?

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
7. Bull. Fucking. Shit. And here's a great explanation of why it is Bull. Fucking. Shit.
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 09:02 PM
Dec 2018

(THREAD) Tonight's NBC News report claiming Mueller is almost done with his investigation is false. This thread explains why. Please RETWEET if you'd like our media to stop publishing anonymously sourced stories of this sort that clearly do not use Mueller or his team as sources.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1075904536877912064.html

1/ This same story has been published by US media 7 times before in just the last year—with almost no change in any of its details. Each time Trump-Russia experts like me have said the story is false. Each time it has been false. The media won't stop publishing the story, though.

2/ The sourcing for this false story never changes. The first source(s): "government officials," i.e. members of the administration, which habitually lies about Mueller's work. The second source(s): lawyers for those Trump associates who've been before the grand jury. Same issue.

3/ Tonight's report uses recycled quotes—or, the same quotes from the same sources who were wrong last time. The seventh time this false story was published we were told Mueller was "tying up loose ends"—exactly the quote we got *this* time, too. It's no more true now than then.

4/ The report hedges so many bets it doesn't even *mean* anything. The hed says Mueller could issue a report "as soon as February"—another way of saying, "Don't be upset with us if it's *late 2019* instead, because we *did* say 'as soon as February' not 'in February,' after all."

5/ The report's euphemisms cover weak sourcing. Its key source is "a lawyer who's been in contact with the Mueller team"—which makes you think s/he got the skinny *from* Mueller. Nope—it's just a lawyer for a witness, who was "in contact" with Mueller's team as part of their job.

6/ The report has *zero* info from Mueller's leak-free team—a fact it's at great pains to hide from you. It says Mueller is "expected to" send a report to DOJ "as soon as" February—neglecting to mention that the folks who have these "expectations" *have no basis for them at all*.

7/ The sources' rationale for their expectations is just rehashed legal analysis. Former prosecutors on TV have said—rightly—that the feds try to end a cooperator's cooperation before their sentencing. But Trump-Russia experts have said—rightly—this case won't follow that model.

8/ All of the evidence we have—every scrap of it—says Mueller has many months to go. EXAMPLE 1: Indictments are still expected (including *by the defendants themselves*) for—at a *minimum*—Donald Trump Jr., Erik Prince, Roger Stone, Jerome Corsi, Randy Credico, and Paul Erickson.

9/ EXAMPLE 2: Mueller, his team, or affiliated federal prosecutors just sat down with Manafort and Cohen for a total of 130+ hours—yes, you read that right. According to tonight's NBC News report, those 130+ hours were *meaningless*—they're not producing any new charges or leads.

10/ EXAMPLE 3: Mueller just opened up a new front in his investigation: the "grand bargain" Trump struck pre-election to collude with not just Russia but Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Israel, and possibly several other nations. You don't open a new front when you're about to close shop.

11/ EXAMPLE 4: It was just reported that Mueller is fighting—and winning—an effort to get a foreign corp to *begin* production of a huge stock of relevant records currently being held overseas. If he's still working on getting *core documents* for his case, how is he almost done?

12/ EXAMPLE 5: It was just reported that Mueller wants a sitdown with Trump—meaning he has unanswered questions on collusion he thinks Trump has the answers to. If/when Trump fights this request, that fight *alone* will take *months* to play out—and will forestall a final report.

13/ The report *admits* its sources are bad. Per the report, its sources "either didn't know or wouldn't say whether Mueller has answered the fundamental question he was hired to investigate." So they know he's almost done—but not how far along his work is? How does *that* track?

14/ The report's rehashed legal analysis is *wrong*. It says "one sign Mueller is close to finishing is he has moved forward with the sentencing of those he credited with substantial cooperation." There are many reasons he might do this; in the next tweet I'll offer two key ones.

15/ REASON 1: Any witness who cooperated with Mueller will be charged with Perjury or Making False Statements if they deviate from their story on the stand later on. This holds even if they've been sentenced. REASON 2: The probe could take *years* and judges won't wait that long.

16/ If the report were accurate, it'd be to the Mueller team's benefit to comment on it—but they won't. Trump is positioning Whitaker or Barr to thwart (or fire) Mueller—and one way he could survive would be to say he's almost done. Given the chance to do so by NBC, he *refused*.

17/ The report's sources are *bound* to say what they did. If you represent an uncharged Trump ally, your spin must be that he *won't* be charged. Thus: "Defense lawyers in the case have been talking among themselves about their belief that the investigation is coming to an end."

18/ Sentences like this are just bad journalism: "The sources who spoke to NBC News warn that a few major outstanding matters could complicate Mueller's endgame." The sources have no *clue* what Mueller's endgame is—and admit it—yet they're now topping ignorance with speculation?

19/ When the sources top their ignorance with speculation, they move—*every time*—to *eliminate* the supposed scoop they gave to NBC. Thus, "A few major outstanding matters could complicate..." So we already hedged on February—with "as soon as"—and now we're hedging on our hedge.

20/ Upshot: following the Trump-Russia case is a full-time job, and many people—including many who are pundits on the subject—simply don't have the subject down. So what we get instead are these desperate "Uh, okay, but maybe it's almost over?" stories that are just embarrassing.

PS/ Note that even if this false story were true—that Mueller *could* (only could!) be done by February, which is 2 months away—it doesn't mean the public would see a *report* then. Thus, NBC News' biggest hedge: "it would not be an easy process [to ever make the report public]."

PS2/ The combined effect of these false stories about Mueller's work is to bolster the Trumpist delusion that Mueller has come up empty. Such reports make the Mueller probe seem relatively simple—rather than dozens of interweaving narratives that are all still being investigated.

PS3/ I've seen the ill effect of these false stories firsthand. Publishers are holding off publishing books on Trump's misconduct on the false belief—fueled by bad sourcing—that Mueller may soon issue a report. He won't—but try convincing folks otherwise when NBC's playing along.

PS4/ And that's exactly why White House and Trumpist-defense-lawyer sources are pumping this false story for now the *eighth* time: (1) they know their lies will be repeated uncritically, and (2) it is *enormously* beneficial for their clients for this false story to be believed.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
8. I don't believe it
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 09:05 PM
Dec 2018

we've heard these "anonymous" sources many times since Mueller started, and it is usually somebody in the White House tied to Trump.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
18. Dilanian said he was skeptical, too, but insists his, and Pete Williams', sources
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:50 PM
Dec 2018

confirm there is a timeline at DoJ for actions that need to be taken.

I enjoy Seth Abrahams' threads, but I also keep in mind he is putting out his own legal and personal opinions just like everyone else who only have seen the tip of the iceberg.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
19. Nadler also said on Maddow's show tonight
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:53 PM
Dec 2018

that the House could supoena the report or have Mueller testify before the Judiciary committee what he learned.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
24. I missed her show. I think the intelligence committees in both houses can get the report?
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:32 AM
Dec 2018

I'm pretty sure the rules or law would not allow such a report to be kept secret in the DOJ and White House. But I don't know for a fact. I hope so.

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