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trailmonkee

(2,681 posts)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 05:13 PM Sep 2012

Michigan Secretary of State keeping citizen check-off box

Source: AP

DETROIT — Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson vows that a check-off box asking voters to confirm their U.S. citizenship will once again appear on November ballot applications, raising concerns among voting rights advocates who argue it’s unnecessary, intimidating and could suppress voting.

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“The secretary of state has the authority under state law to prescribe forms, including the ballot application form,” said department spokesman Fred Woodhams, who added this past week she’s pressing forward after a coalition led by the nonpartisan Michigan Election Coalition said it sent her a letter urging her to “immediately halt” using the citizenship check-off.

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Coalition members say state law already requires that people must confirm their citizenship when they register to vote and such box “impedes a free and fair election.”

“We should not subject 7.3 million voters to an interrogation — it’s a completely idiotic way to solve the problem,” said Jan BenDor, statewide coordinator for the affiliated Michigan Election Reform Alliance. “People are just stunned that any party would go after the building block of our democracy.”

BenDor said Johnson is misinterpreting the state law, which doesn’t specifically deal with content of the applications.

“This does not give her the authority to add more stuff,” BenDor said. “We could have two dozen questions on there. How offensive do we need to get?”


Read more: http://www.thetimesherald.com/viewart/20120908/NEWS05/309080028/Michigan-Secretary-State-keeping-citizen-check-off-box

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kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
3. They don't want muslim immigrant citizens to vote, not realizing that they tend to be
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 05:23 PM
Sep 2012

very conservative.

Oy.

Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
5. Hey GOPhers, I already answered the question thankyouverymuch,
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 05:38 PM
Sep 2012

It's on the voter registration application.

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
6. Anyone know if you don't fill the box, will the vote not count?
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 05:49 PM
Sep 2012

Sounds like another stupid thing to trip people up to make their vote not count.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
7. The word citizen on a ballot means Social Security numbers search and use after the election.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 05:52 PM
Sep 2012

The Secretary of State has no business with my Social Security number and may not look into connecting one with me.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
10. isn't that asking for a "hanging chad" situation?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:45 AM
Sep 2012

I am so against all the ID requirement stuff going on, but I wouldn't ask for trouble where your vote is at stake.

I am really curious, I don't know the answer... but how is having this check box as important an issues as ID requirements that are out and around? Could it really effect voter participation or registration? I'm not sure why this is a big deal.

Correct me people... I want to know.

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
11. Not at all. Voters in Mi. ARE NOT required by law to check it.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 07:27 AM
Sep 2012

Republican Gov. Rick Snyder recently vetoed a bill that included a requirement for voters to check a similar citizenship box. It is now on the ballot as an appeasement to the Peeparty despite the fact that citizens are not required to check it.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
12. Michigan's voters and Secretary of State Ruth Johnson
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:38 AM
Sep 2012

Ruth Johnson is an idiot. But she's not necessarily dumber than the Michigan electorate who voted her into office, in 2010, and has had at least three Republican Secretaries of State, including her, over the last 20 years.

Michigan is a presidential base state for the Democratic Party, yes, but there are enough Democratic crossover voters willing to elect Republicans statewide as if they're some remnant of the Rockefeller Republicans. (Consider Rick Snyder having won his party's gubernatorial nomination, from 2010, over Senate nominee and Rep. Pete Hoekstra.)

Given these voters, calling themselves Democrats, voted against gays in 2004, after insisting the state's primary voters nominate John Kerry and do everything they can to unseat President George W. Bush, I cannot find their hypocrisy a surprise. (Last polling I checked: Michigan is still under 50 percent approval on same-sex marriage. Barack Obama won the state with 57.33% in Election 2008.)

I think we need to start having gubernatorial elections, in every state in the nation, along with the presidential elections scheduled in leap years. More consistency would be had. And, by the way, this includes down the ballot for Secretary of State.

catbyte

(34,424 posts)
13. When voting in the primary I asked what the hell is this?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:51 PM
Sep 2012

The poll worker stuttered and said it was optional. Dumbass Republicans.I didn't feel intimidated just annoyed.

Diane
Anishinaabe in MI

madville

(7,412 posts)
14. Was Michigan the only state in the country that didn't ask if one is a U.S. citizen?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:33 PM
Sep 2012

That and being at least 18 years old are the two basic requirements to vote. I googled a few random states applications:


FL asks "Are you a citizen of the United States of America? YES/NO"

New York's asks "Are you a citizen of the U.S.? If the answer is NO, you cannot register to vote".

Rhode Island's asks "I am a U.S. citizen and resident of Rhode Island. YES/NO".

Illinois states that by signing, one swears and affirms that they are a U.S. citizen under penalty of perjury, by making false statements one may be fined, imprisoned, or if not a U.S., deported from the country.

Is affirming that one is a US citizen (the main requirement to vote) now not a legitimate question? What am I missing, every other state I looked at asks.

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