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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 12:55 PM Jan 2019

Trump fires back at McChrystal: 'Known for big, dumb mouth'

Source: The Hill

President Trump on Tuesday lashed out at retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal with a string of personal attacks after the former leader of U.S. operations in Afghanistan called the president "immoral" and dishonest.

"'General' McChrystal got fired like a dog by Obama. Last assignment a total bust. Known for big, dumb mouth. Hillary lover!" Trump tweeted on New Year's Day.

The retired four-star Army general said on ABC's "This Week" that he would not work for the Trump administration if asked, citing the president's dishonesty. "It’s important for me to work for people who I think are basically honest, who tell the truth as best they know it," McChrystal said. "I don’t think he tells the truth," he added.

McChrystal has previously been critical of Trump's policies and rhetoric. He has questioned Trump's decision to send troops to the southern border and has expressed concern over the president's repeated criticism of former military leaders, such as retired Adm. William McRaven.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/423400-trump-slams-mcchrystal-amid-criticism-from-retired-general

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Trump fires back at McChrystal: 'Known for big, dumb mouth' (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jan 2019 OP
He has the mentality of a preschooler BigMin28 Jan 2019 #1
The veritable paucity of his vocabulary is astounding! SharonAnn Jan 2019 #31
Lash out lash out lash out thegoose Jan 2019 #2
Trump chips away at the military hierarchy; he is prepping us for his own "personal" armies run by flying_wahini Jan 2019 #3
This. CrispyQ Jan 2019 #18
He never dissappoints jcgoldie Jan 2019 #4
the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief is pissing on America's military again. Achilleaze Jan 2019 #5
drumpf is a madman hell bent on destroying America. democratisphere Jan 2019 #6
'Known for big, dumb mouth'....said by Trump today ..1/1/19 Stuart G Jan 2019 #7
Obama fired him for insulting Biden (and others) in an interview oberliner Jan 2019 #12
It's always about him, even he 'thinks' it isn't. sarge43 Jan 2019 #17
Always with the projection. Always. dchill Jan 2019 #53
He's projecting like a freakin' IMAX dalton99a Jan 2019 #8
This should be used on what ever magazine has the highest circulation KewlKat Jan 2019 #19
What a pathetic crybaby. "Hillary lover!" .. 😆 SaveOurDemocracy Jan 2019 #9
Once again I think to myself, what if Obama had uttered something like this? Vinca Jan 2019 #10
Anyone remember when Obama fired McChrystal? oberliner Jan 2019 #11
McChrystal's resignation letter... heliarc Jan 2019 #14
In 2013, he basically admitted that was BS oberliner Jan 2019 #15
I'm gonna have to side with Obama on this.... Xolodno Jan 2019 #48
Well Petraeus didn't work out either angrychair Jan 2019 #22
What's your point? Jesus. BlueStater Jan 2019 #25
+1000 John Fante Jan 2019 #27
What do you know about McChrystal? oberliner Jan 2019 #32
I don't give a shit about his past. BlueStater Jan 2019 #44
Its not at all weird ... for Oberliner ... mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #52
+1. N/t obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2019 #40
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #28
how presidential. nt elmac Jan 2019 #13
Someone look a little closer at those presidential qualifications jmowreader Jan 2019 #16
"haul him off in a diaper van?" MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #21
If he wants to drive it, then let him drive it. By all means. jberryhill Jan 2019 #26
... Dave Starsky Jan 2019 #35
You call this "leadership?" Where's the gut? MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #20
Who has ever fired a dog? (n/t) thesquanderer Jan 2019 #23
He often reminds me of Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore. Dave Starsky Jan 2019 #34
Yeah. McChrystal is the one "Known for (his) big, dumb mouth" Grins Jan 2019 #24
Mirror, mirror, on the wall, Rory McRory Fitzrory Jan 2019 #29
I'm sure Cadet Bonespurs has him shaking in his boots Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 #30
Slamming his own military leader while stroking Bolsonaro's dick with congratulations. Prick! Firestorm49 Jan 2019 #33
Trump has said ... left-of-center2012 Jan 2019 #36
Trump would be gone from the military after 2 days of basic training and what is his problem .... Botany Jan 2019 #37
NO donald. YOU'RE the one who's known for a big, dumb mouth. calimary Jan 2019 #38
I'm certain . . . Roadside Attraction Jan 2019 #39
McCrystal could take Trump on a "shake down" hike w/half loads in their back packs and other gear... Botany Jan 2019 #41
I think "after 1 mile" gives Trump too much credit... JHB Jan 2019 #46
Donnie Two Scoops worst insult is "Hillary lover" LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2019 #42
Filter out his established base Mr. Ected Jan 2019 #43
We all know that this is just The Donald's narcissism speaking Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2019 #45
"Known for big, dumb mouth" Spending too much time looking in the mirror again? LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #47
"big, dumb mouth" -- at least he didn't say "poo poo head" Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #49
Trump's really into self reflection. Kablooie Jan 2019 #50
"General" McChrystal? JohnnyRingo Jan 2019 #51
LOL!!!! duforsure Jan 2019 #54
Trump is so trashy. Nt raccoon Jan 2019 #55

flying_wahini

(6,626 posts)
3. Trump chips away at the military hierarchy; he is prepping us for his own "personal" armies run by
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:00 PM
Jan 2019

Eric Prince et al. imho

CrispyQ

(36,487 posts)
18. This.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:50 PM
Jan 2019

We can hope the democratically controlled House can keep the worst of him & his policies in check, but we aren't even close to out of the woods with this fucker.

jcgoldie

(11,635 posts)
4. He never dissappoints
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:01 PM
Jan 2019

Saw General McChrystal's comments on ABC last night and told my wife... "pretty sure we know who tomorrow's tweets will be about!"

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
5. the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief is pissing on America's military again.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:02 PM
Jan 2019

What is it with republicans pissing all over our Generals, Admirals, POWs, veterans, and Gold Star Families. I just don't get draft-dodging republican a-holes and their big fat mouths.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
19. This should be used on what ever magazine has the highest circulation
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:56 PM
Jan 2019

Nice visual and thanks for sharing!

Vinca

(50,299 posts)
10. Once again I think to myself, what if Obama had uttered something like this?
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:15 PM
Jan 2019

If Republicans aren't embarrassed, they sure as hell should be.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. Anyone remember when Obama fired McChrystal?
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:17 PM
Jan 2019
Obama 'angry' after reading McChrystal's remarks

(CNN) -- The fate of the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan hinges on his meeting Wednesday with President Barack Obama, who was "angry" after reading the general's remarks about colleagues in a magazine profile to be published Friday.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal will likely resign, a Pentagon source who has ongoing contacts with the general said.

The "magnitude and graveness" of McChrystal's mistake in conducting the interview for the article were "profound," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said McChrystal had "made a significant mistake and exercised poor judgment."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/22/general.mcchrystal.obama.apology/index.html


Obama orders McChrystal back to Washington after remarks about U.S. officials

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/22/AR2010062200813.html


Obama relieves McChrystal of command

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama sacked his loose-lipped Afghanistan commander Wednesday, a seismic shift for the U.S. military order in wartime, and chose the familiar, admired — and tightly disciplined — Gen. David Petraeus to replace him. Petraeus, architect of the Iraq war turnaround, was once again to take hands-on leadership of a troubled war effort.

Obama said bluntly that Gen. Stanley McChrystal's scornful remarks about administration officials represent conduct that "undermines the civilian control of the military that is at the core of our democratic system."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/37866754/ns/us_news-military/t/obama-relieves-mcchrystal-command/#.XCugZc9KjfZ

heliarc

(1,961 posts)
14. McChrystal's resignation letter...
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:26 PM
Jan 2019

McChrystal released a statement, saying: "I strongly support the President's strategy in Afghanistan and am deeply committed to our coalition forces, our partner nations, and the Afghan people. It was out of respect for this commitment — and a desire to see the mission succeed — that I tendered my resignation."

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. In 2013, he basically admitted that was BS
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:32 PM
Jan 2019
McChrystal states that at the centre of the tension between the Pentagon and the White House was wrangling over the numbers proposed for a troop surge in Afghanistan. The general had requested 40,000 additional soldiers, but the White House signalled a far lower figure.

McChrystal also writes that he presented the White House with a goal of defeating the Taliban but was advised by the administration to lower his sights, to an attempt to "degrade" the Taliban.

The general also writes that he aired concern over the laying out of a timeframe for withdrawal, with President Obama stating that troops would be brought home by the end of 2014. McChrystal feared that such a deadline might embolden the Taliban.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/06/stanley-mcchrystal-pentagon-obama-white-house

Xolodno

(6,398 posts)
48. I'm gonna have to side with Obama on this....
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 11:51 PM
Jan 2019

...If the Soviets, who shot first and asked questions later, couldn't defeat the Taliban....doubt we could.

Taliban soldier one moment, farmer and father of children the next. And when he is a soldier, the mother is raising the male children to be the same.

Some things can't be won with military might. Better to degrade their ability to fight and contain...let the outside culture slowly erode them a couple generations.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
25. What's your point? Jesus.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 02:46 PM
Jan 2019

Who cares if McChrystal was wrong back then? He's right here. As imperfect as he may be, I'll side with him over Donald fucking Trump any day of the week.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
44. I don't give a shit about his past.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 04:36 PM
Jan 2019

Why are you more concerned with tearing him down than Donald Trump? It's fucking weird.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
52. Its not at all weird ... for Oberliner ...
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 03:01 AM
Jan 2019

He does bring up interesting and thought-provoking points at times, but they are pretty much always along these exact lines.

Response to oberliner (Reply #11)

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
16. Someone look a little closer at those presidential qualifications
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:45 PM
Jan 2019

The Constitution says you need to be 35 years old to be president. Since this individual is developmentally three years old, couldn’t we just declare him too young to be president and haul him off in a diaper van?

MyOwnPeace

(16,936 posts)
20. You call this "leadership?" Where's the gut?
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 02:12 PM
Jan 2019

Interesting reading of the links others have provided showing the background of Gen. McChrystal. The most interesting was this: after McChrystal's interview was released and PRESIDENT Obama was informed about it (not yet having seen it), he did the following:

"Obama got in touch with White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, requesting that he distribute the article to the president's senior advisers and to have them discuss its contents and begin to think about which course to take."

So, if I read this correctly, PRESIDENT Obama had an issue with a well-respected military leader, the person in charge of the military actions in Afghanistan, and was concerned about the fitness of this General to continue in that leadership position. PRESIDENT Obama's reaction was to survey senior staff and advisers as to what they would consider proper steps to take regarding the General's actions.

WHAT!? No "trust my gut" - "I'm smarter than all of these generals" - "I pick only the best!"

Tell me - which of those two leadership models leaves you feeling safer?

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
34. He often reminds me of Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 03:33 PM
Jan 2019

"You're in big trouble, though, pal! I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!"

"You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?"

Botany

(70,539 posts)
37. Trump would be gone from the military after 2 days of basic training and what is his problem ....
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 03:42 PM
Jan 2019

.... w/dogs too?

We can't get rid of this Trump cancer fast enough.

calimary

(81,377 posts)
38. NO donald. YOU'RE the one who's known for a big, dumb mouth.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 03:53 PM
Jan 2019

Maybe you need to see someone about that. It MIGHT be treatable.

Botany

(70,539 posts)
41. McCrystal could take Trump on a "shake down" hike w/half loads in their back packs and other gear...
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 04:03 PM
Jan 2019

.... and Trump would be done after 1 mile. Like the military of not you do not get to Gen. McCrystal's
rank and stature without being one tough son of a bitch. I bet you McCrystal even at his age could
go backwards and with a pack and "wash out" somebody like Trump in under 40 minutes ..... sorry
I should have said 5 minutes.

From wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_A._McChrystal

McChrystal graduated high school from St. John's College in Washington, DC.[21] He graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York, in 1976 and was commissioned a second lieutenant in the United States Army. His initial assignment was to C Company, 1st Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division,[22] serving as weapons platoon leader from November 1976 to February 1978, as rifle platoon leader from February 1978 to July 1978, and as executive officer from July 1978 to November 1978.[8][23]

In November 1978, McChrystal enrolled as a student in the Special Forces Officer Course at the Special Forces School at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Upon completing the course in April 1979, he remained at Fort Bragg as commander of Operational Detachment—Alpha 714 (an "A-team&quot in A Company, 1st Battalion, 7th Special Forces Group (Airborne).[24] This was not the last time that '714' would be associated with McChrystal. In June 1980, he attended the Infantry Officer Advanced Course at the Infantry School at Fort Benning, Georgia, until February 1981.[8][23]

In February 1981, McChrystal moved to South Korea as intelligence and operations officer (S-2/S-3) for the United Nations Command Support Group—Joint Security Area. He reported to Fort Stewart, Georgia, in March 1982 to serve as training officer in the Directorate of Plans and Training, A Company, Headquarters Command. He moved to 3rd Battalion, 19th Infantry, 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized), in November 1982, where he commanded A Company before becoming battalion operations officer (S-3) in September 1984.[8][23]

McChrystal moved to 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, as battalion liaison officer in September 1985, became commander of A Company in January 1986, served again as battalion liaison officer in May 1987, and finally became battalion operations officer (S-3) in April 1988, before reporting to the Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, as a student in the Command and General Staff Course in June 1989. It was during this time that McChrystal also completed a Master of Science degree in international relations from Salve Regina University.[25] After completing the course in June 1990, he was assigned as Army Special Operations action officer, J-3, Joint Special Operations Command until April 1993, in which capacity he deployed to Saudi Arabia for Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm.[8][23]

From April 1993 to November 1994, McChrystal commanded the 2nd Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division. He then commanded the 2nd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, from November 1994 to June 1996. During this time he initiated what would become a complete revamping of the existing Army hand-to-hand combat curricula.[26] After a year as a senior service college fellow at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, he moved up to command the entire 75th Ranger Regiment from June 1997 to August 1999, then spent another year as a military fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
46. I think "after 1 mile" gives Trump too much credit...
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 05:44 PM
Jan 2019

He can't walk anything close to a mile even just wearing his golf togs and the load that's already in them.

42. Donnie Two Scoops worst insult is "Hillary lover"
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 04:03 PM
Jan 2019

Someone should tell him that the elections proved there were 3 million more Hillary lovers than people who were infatuated with Trump.

And he's losing more supporters every day, as they found out that "What have you got to lose?" wasn't a challenge, it was a promise. "Take inventory of everything you've got -- your healthcare, your stock portfolio, your children who are serving in the miitary, your pride in your country and its leader, clean water, clean air, a good education, public lands -- that's what I'm going to take from you. That's what you're going to lose."

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
43. Filter out his established base
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 04:12 PM
Jan 2019

And the remaining constituency - Den, Rep and Independent - read these tweets the same way we do. He diminishes the office every time he engages those opposible thumbs, and the vast majority of Americans detest him for it. Even Republican voters who give him a favorable rating because he's an R.

The idea of a supercharged political chief executive is antithetical to everything we and our Constitution stand for. The base acts like middle schoolers, squealing in delight every time the establishment is dealt a bloody nose.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
45. We all know that this is just The Donald's narcissism speaking
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 05:26 PM
Jan 2019

He can't stand to have anyone say that he is less than perfect, and lashes out at anyone who does.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,380 posts)
49. "big, dumb mouth" -- at least he didn't say "poo poo head"
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 11:57 PM
Jan 2019

We can lower the bar even further if we get a shovel with a longer handle.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
54. LOL!!!!
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 06:12 AM
Jan 2019

What a moron saying something like that to a highly respected general. Why would anyone in the military now support this idiot who shows no respect for anything. Hillary would have respect for all generals , and said nothing like this, other than generals that committed acts of treason against OUR country, instead of hiring them for his campaign. trump has troubles knowing who's good and who's bad, and says nothing to those who are corrupt and criminals. He's always backing the bad people, always. The people in the military now know this too.

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